Home field advantage [Archive]

drewdat

09-25-2013, 12:03 PM

Some combination of 4 Braves wins/Cardinals losses and 3 Braves wins/Dodgers losses will get it through the NLCS. WS is AL because of the all-star game.

I guess Pittsburgh and Cincy are still mathematically capable. 2 Braves wins/Pirates losses and 1 Braves win/Reds loss, assuming we have those tiebreakers also.

Basically 3 wins should do it barring STL running the table, 2 might still be OK.

stpeteirish

09-25-2013, 12:34 PM

What do we have to do to get home field for the playoffs?

magic # is 3 vs the Dodgers 3 Braves wins or Dodgers losses will give us home field vs them. # is 4 vs the Cards. Four wins or Cards losses give us #1 seed, home field vs rest of NL and first round vs wild card.

Enscheff

09-25-2013, 12:57 PM

Is all of this taking into account any tiebreakers between the Braves and other teams?

drewdat

09-25-2013, 01:02 PM

For Cards and Dodgers, yes. Not sure on Pirates and Reds (who play each other and are thus unlikely to factor in).

Bowman (http://markbowman.mlblogs.com/2013/09/25/a-look-at-the-battle-for-home-field-advantage/) just did an article.

murph3

09-25-2013, 02:00 PM

trade for andruw

We trade for Druw and we will roll off 11 straight wins in the post-season. Just go ahead and give us the trophy.

weso1

09-25-2013, 02:52 PM

The Braves could hire Druw as an assistant hitting coach. He could finally teach our hitters how to properly smile during their AB's.

KayJayNZ

09-25-2013, 03:00 PM

Get the 1st seed and play the WC in a 5 game series or be passed by the Cardinals and play the Dodgers in a 5 game series.

Easy to see what is more preferable. Just win. :tchop:

Dalyn

09-25-2013, 03:10 PM

Relevant article. (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/9/25/4770324/mlb-playoff-tiebreaker-rules-2013-selig)

bravesnumberone

09-25-2013, 04:58 PM

In short, beat teams we're supposed to beat. Win today, and win 3 out of 4 with the Phillies.

benchguy

09-25-2013, 05:32 PM

Probably have to win out, presently tied with Cards for the lead b4 tonites game...
the Cards will be playing the Cubs the rest of the season and probably will sweep..

NYCBrave

09-25-2013, 05:55 PM

Probably have to win out, presently tied with Cards for the lead b4 tonites game...
the Cards will be playing the Cubs the rest of the season and probably will sweep..

We don't have to win out, our magic number is 4, so we have to win 4 out of 5, assuming the Cardinals sweep. And you just can't assume the Cardinals will sweep. I'm sure they'll bench a few of their regulars to rest them before the playoffs.

benchguy

09-25-2013, 08:20 PM

Read it again I said probably..
And u can't assume they won't sweep or assume the Braves will take 3 out of 4.
that's why they play the games.....why would they rest players the when they can have first place..
they haven't won the division yet.. looks like after tonite the Braves will be one half
game back..if they win tomorrow they will be tied again..

We don't have to win out, our magic number is 4, so we have to win 4 out of 5, assuming the Cardinals sweep. And you just can't assume the Cardinals will sweep. I'm sure they'll bench a few of their regulars to rest them before the playoffs.

NYCBrave

09-25-2013, 08:34 PM

Read it again I said probably..
And u can't assume they won't sweep or assume the Braves will take 3 out of 4.
that's why they play the games.....why would they rest players the when they can have first place..
they haven't won the division yet.. looks like after tonite the Braves will be one half
game back..if they win tomorrow they will be tied again..

"Probably have to win out" to me means you're assuming we'd have to win all of our games because the Cardinals would sweep. That wasn't the case before tonight.

bravesnumberone

09-25-2013, 09:18 PM

I think the question now becomes what do we have to do to hold off the Dodgers, so we can host them first.

Heyward

09-25-2013, 09:28 PM

We don't have to win out, our magic number is 4, so we have to win 4 out of 5, assuming the Cardinals sweep. And you just can't assume the Cardinals will sweep. I'm sure they'll bench a few of their regulars to rest them before the playoffs.

They can rest during the play in game, and days off before that.

Home field in baseball is pretty huge.

And they have an off day tommorow so I'm sure they'll play all 3 this weekend, or the starters will.

bravesnumberone

09-25-2013, 09:36 PM

During our 14-year playoff run, we played 25 postseason series. In 17 of those, we had homefield and went 9-8. The other 8, we were 3-5.

The Chosen One

09-25-2013, 09:48 PM

I'd rather not have homefield.

Decisive Homefield Advantage Games have not been too kind to us.

See: 2012, 2004,2003,2002.

Bdawg2309

09-25-2013, 10:47 PM

17-22 in home playoff games since turner field was opened.

CyYoung31

09-25-2013, 11:11 PM

I'd rather not have homefield.

Decisive Homefield Advantage Games have not been too kind to us.

See: 2012, 2004,2003,2002.

That luck is bound to change.

Heyward

09-25-2013, 11:14 PM

I'd still prefer to have home field.

But with how bad this offense is right now, I'm not sure that happens unfortunately.

CyYoung31

09-25-2013, 11:16 PM

I think we take 3 of 4 from the Phillies. That should be enough.

Heyward

09-25-2013, 11:27 PM

I think we take 3 of 4 from the Phillies. That should be enough.

Over LA, sure, need to win all 4 to take it over Stl.

Cubs ain't beating them.

CyYoung31

09-25-2013, 11:31 PM

Over LA, sure, need to win all 4 to take it over Stl.

Cubs ain't beating them.

I bet they don't sweep the Cubs.

Bdawg2309

09-26-2013, 02:04 AM

Over LA, sure, need to win all 4 to take it over Stl.

Cubs ain't beating them.

august 19-22 vs the nats was the last time the cubs got swept.

NYCBrave

09-26-2013, 07:54 AM

Over LA, sure, need to win all 4 to take it over Stl.

Cubs ain't beating them.

The Cardinals are 9-7 vs the Cubs this year. It's not like they've had the easiest time with them.

benchguy

09-26-2013, 12:25 PM

and the Braves are 8 and 7 against the Phils, not like they have had an easy time either..

The Cardinals are 9-7 vs the Cubs this year. It's not like they've had the easiest time with them.

Heyward

09-26-2013, 12:36 PM

The Cardinals are 9-7 vs the Cubs this year. It's not like they've had the easiest time with them.

Looking at the matchups, Friday is the best bet with Wood/Lynn.

Doubtful they win on Sat or Sun.

Interesting that Waino is scheduled to pitch Sunday.

Wonder how many innings they pitch him with playoffs coming up.

Heyward

09-26-2013, 12:36 PM

august 19-22 vs the nats was the last time the cubs got swept.

Nats didn't sweep them, they won 3 of 4.

tululush

09-26-2013, 01:30 PM

I say the Cards take 2 of 3 from the Cubs. We just need to take 3 of 4 and we'll be fine. Win tonight and keep your loss in your back pocket for one of the weekend games. Friday may be the game we lose with Lee pitching so we better win tonight.

Nats didn't sweep them, they won 3 of 4.

graffy

09-26-2013, 01:36 PM

Pretty interesting finish here.

7 results remaining (4 Braves games and 3 Cardinals games).

Whichever team gets 4 "positive results" gets HFA.

Both teams have magic number of 4.

bravesnumberone

09-26-2013, 01:38 PM

Tonight: Hale vs. Cloyd. Hale was fine in his debut. I wish we'd pitch our main guys in order, though. Cloyd, I don't have a damn clue who he is, but looking at his numbers, if we can't hit him, we don't even need to show up next week.
Friday: Lee vs. Medlen. I doubt we'll hit Lee all that much, so hopefully Medlen is dazzling, and we wind up with a 2-1 win or something. I'd say this is our most likely loss.
Satuday: Undecided vs. Minor. If Minor could actually keep the ball in the damn ball park, we should be able to win.
Sunday: Miner vs. Teheran. I like our chances here, but who knows?

If I had to guess, I'd say we should be able to win 3 of 4, but probably will split.

NYCBrave

09-26-2013, 01:45 PM

and the Braves are 8 and 7 against the Phils, not like they have had an easy time either..

I never said we'd sweep, win the series, or anything. I'm combating the people in panic mode who have already penciled in a sweep for the Cardinals over the Cubs.

stpeteirish

09-26-2013, 02:19 PM

Phillies do have Dominic Brown back, he's probably their best guy now. Ruiz has been in a terrible slump, but then again he's playing his favorite team.

The Phillies still haven't announced a starter for Sat?

thewupk

09-26-2013, 06:30 PM

I'd rather not have homefield.

Decisive Homefield Advantage Games have not been too kind to us.

See: 2012, 2004,2003,2002.

i dont want the dodgers in the first round

Heyward

09-26-2013, 09:13 PM

i dont want the dodgers in the first round

This, we matchup terribly with them in a short series.

cajunrevenge

09-26-2013, 09:28 PM

Over LA, sure, need to win all 4 to take it over Stl.

Cubs ain't beating them.

Classic Heywood.

Heyward

09-26-2013, 09:40 PM

Classic Heywood.

I said Friday is the best shot for a win but they'll probably find a way to lose somehow.

cajunrevenge

09-26-2013, 09:49 PM

Cards are 3-3 vs the Cubs in the second half, what makes you think a 4 game sweep is so certain?

Heyward

09-26-2013, 09:52 PM

Cards are 3-3 vs the Cubs in the second half, what makes you think a 4 game sweep is so certain?

One, it's a three game set, two the Cards have been on fire lately.

I hope I'm wrong though.

cajunrevenge

09-26-2013, 10:13 PM

I'll wager a ban for the whole playoffs with you that the Cards dont sweep the Cubs.

Heyward

09-26-2013, 10:50 PM

I'll wager a ban for the whole playoffs with you that the Cards dont sweep the Cubs.

Not that confident about it.

cajunrevenge

09-26-2013, 11:24 PM

Am I dreaming or do I get an ounce of positivity out of you.

Heyward

09-26-2013, 11:42 PM

Am I dreaming or do I get an ounce of positivity out of you.

I meant anything could happen.

From two wins by us, one loss by them, then Sunday is meaningless and they could rest everyone.

I stand by it they will sweep though.

tululush

09-26-2013, 11:55 PM

Dodgers just lost. We just clinched home field in the nlds.

zitothebrave

09-27-2013, 12:00 AM

Dodgers just lost. We just clinched home field in the nlds.

Which is key. Now hope the Cubbies win tomorrow and we can basically seal up home field.

cajunrevenge

09-27-2013, 12:42 AM

I meant anything could happen.

From two wins by us, one loss by them, then Sunday is meaningless and they could rest everyone.

I stand by it they will sweep though.

I knew it was too good to be true. Have you atleast given up on the Nats winning the division yet?

Heyward

09-27-2013, 12:43 AM

I knew it was too good to be true. Have you atleast given up on the Nats winning the division yet?

Will you eat crow if Stl sweeps?

The Chosen One

09-27-2013, 12:44 AM

If St. Louis sweeps, I'm suspending Heyward until the NLDS begins, just for saying they probably would, but unsure they would and not confident they would.

Heyward

09-27-2013, 12:46 AM

If St. Louis sweeps, I'm suspending Heyward until the NLDS begins, just for saying they probably would, but unsure they would and not confident they would.

Ban me until the DS if we get HFA.

The Chosen One

09-27-2013, 12:49 AM

Ban me until the DS if we get HFA.

I'll ban you until the NLCS if we get HFA, considering that's when it would actually matter.

tululush

09-27-2013, 12:55 AM

I still think (more sure after tonight) that we take 2 of 3 from the Phils and Stl taking 2 of 3 from the Cubs. I think our loss comes tonight vs Lee.

Heyward

09-27-2013, 12:56 AM

I still think (more sure after tonight) that we take 2 of 3 from the Phils and Stl taking 2 of 3 from the Cubs. I think our loss comes tonight vs Lee.

Definitely the toughest game.

Let's hope Meds keeps dealing but he seems to struggle vs Philly for whatever reason.

tululush

09-27-2013, 01:04 AM

ProbationDeac

09-27-2013, 10:05 AM

Just looked at the Cubs/Stl pitching match-ups. They aren't that bad.

Friday:
Wood vs Lynn

Saturday:
Jackson vs Kelly

Sunday:
Samardzja vs Wainwright

Not awful. Interesting that Wainwright is pitching on Sunday considering he wouldn't be able to start Game 1 of the LDS. However, if we clinch HFA prior to Sunday I bet they don't throw Wainwright.

The Cubs will take at least one of these games vs Stl. We just need to take care of business as well. If we could beat Lee tomorrow night I think we get HFA.

I see the Cards probably taking 2 out of 3 if not sweeping. They're playing really good baseball right now while we've struggled this month. With that said, it's not a foregone conclusion and I agree that the pitching sets up where the Cubs could win a game or two.

Enscheff

09-27-2013, 10:38 AM

I thin kI read somewhere the Braves get 3 days off before the NLDS. True? If so, that verges on rust inducing time off.

The Chosen One

09-27-2013, 10:41 AM

I thin kI read somewhere the Braves get 3 days off before the NLDS. True? If so, that verges on rust inducing time off.

I'm just worried it gives more time for Uggla and BJ to vouch for playing time from Fredi.

cajunrevenge

09-27-2013, 10:58 AM

Will you eat crow if Stl sweeps?

Yes.

tululush

09-27-2013, 11:13 AM

I still say the Cubs take one of the games. While possible, a sweep isn't the easiest thing in the world.

Yes.

cajunrevenge

09-27-2013, 11:21 AM

I still say the Cubs take one of the games. While possible, a sweep isn't the easiest thing in the world.

Thats the way I see it, sweeps are not east to do. The last time the Cubs were swept was a month and half ago. And that includes a series with the then hot Dodgers where they won 1 game which was started by Travis Wood and Kershaw.

edit - If Cubs sweep Cards I say Heyward has to change his name to Heywood.

tululush

09-27-2013, 12:47 PM

Hahaha no way the Cubs sweep Stl. Heck, if they did I'll change my name to anything you want and keep it until next season begins.

Thats the way I see it, sweeps are not east to do. The last time the Cubs were swept was a month and half ago. And that includes a series with the then hot Dodgers where they won 1 game which was started by Travis Wood and Kershaw.

edit - If Cubs sweep Cards I say Heyward has to change his name to Heywood.

cajunrevenge

09-27-2013, 01:05 PM

I have never rooted for the Cubs as hard as I will in this series now.

Heyward

09-27-2013, 01:57 PM

Just looked at the Cubs/Stl pitching match-ups. They aren't that bad.

Friday:
Wood vs Lynn

Saturday:
Jackson vs Kelly

Sunday:
Samardzja vs Wainwright

Not awful. Interesting that Wainwright is pitching on Sunday considering he wouldn't be able to start Game 1 of the LDS. However, if we clinch HFA prior to Sunday I bet they don't throw Wainwright.

The Cubs will take at least one of these games vs Stl. We just need to take care of business as well. If we could beat Lee tomorrow night I think we get HFA.

Kinda hope HFA is close and they are forced to throw Wainwright on Sunday, he'd be on 3-4 days rest if he's forced to pitch Sunday.

BravesFanatic

09-27-2013, 02:15 PM

Been lurking here for awhile, thought I would finally add to the conversation....

I have been hearing that Phillies may be trying to lose these games to maintain their protected 2014 draft pick. I think Olney or one of the other ESPN talking heads have been discussing it lately. I wasn't able to watch the game last night, but did anyone notice anything out of the ordinary in terms of effort from the Phils?

Julio3000

09-27-2013, 02:29 PM

Thanks for posting.

I'll be interested to see their lineups and bullpen use during the series. I can't imagine you're gonna see anything on the field that indicates tanking, but the passive way of doing it is running your second string out there.

tululush

09-27-2013, 03:00 PM

I hope it's exactly what they're doing. I wouldn't mind Cliff Lee working on some 90mph straight as an arrow fastballs. Maybe throw 30 or so in a row. After he's down 6-0 he can go back to work.

Been lurking here for awhile, thought I would finally add to the conversation....

I have been hearing that Phillies may be trying to lose these games to maintain their protected 2014 draft pick. I think Olney or one of the other ESPN talking heads have been discussing it lately. I wasn't able to watch the game last night, but did anyone notice anything out of the ordinary in terms of effort from the Phils?

Bdawg2309

09-27-2013, 03:05 PM

Kinda hope HFA is close and they are forced to throw Wainwright on Sunday, he'd be on 3-4 days rest if he's forced to pitch Sunday.

the way their rest of the rotation has been pitching, i don't think they'd rush wainwright back out for game 1 that quickly

Heyward

09-27-2013, 04:13 PM

the way their rest of the rotation has been pitching, i don't think they'd rush wainwright back out for game 1 that quickly

But wouldn't they want Waino in a potential Game 5 which is a win or go home game with their best pitcher going?

benchguy

09-29-2013, 04:58 PM

U called that one???? :confused:

We don't have to win out, our magic number is 4, so we have to win 4 out of 5, assuming the Cardinals sweep. And you just can't assume the Cardinals will sweep. I'm sure they'll bench a few of their regulars to rest them before the playoffs.

NYCBrave

09-29-2013, 06:37 PM

U called that one???? :confused:

My statement was made when our magic number was 4, and there were still 5 games left to be played.....