SUNDAY MINORS FINAL 7/23 ... Which Pitchers Excel Today? A: NO ONE

[rico43]

SUNDAY SCOREBOARD

CLASS AAA

Indianapolis 10, Gwinnett 2

SP: Blair 1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K
Santiago 3 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K
LP: Minter (0-2) 0.2 IP, 4 H, 1 ER(4R), 1 BB, 1 K
Dirks 0.2 IP, 4 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 1 K
Cruz 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

M. Johnson 1-4, 2B, R
Avery 1-3, HR (9th), 2 RBI

LINK (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2017_07_23_indaaa_gwiaaa_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)


CLASS AA

Biloxi 7, Mississippi 0

SP: Allard 5 IP, 8 H, 7 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 2 HR
Watts 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K
Pfiefer 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K
Mader 0.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K
Giardina! 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K

James 2-4 (ONLY HITS)

LINK (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2017_07_23_blxaax_msbaax_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

ADVANCED CLASS A

St. Lucie 3, Florida 2

LP: Franco (3-5) 5.1 IP, 8 H, 3 ER, 9 BB, 5 K
Rincon 3.2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K

Cumberland 3-4, 2 2B, RBI
Lago 2-4, R
Daniel 1-3, HR (1st), RBI

LINK (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2017_07_23_sluafa_floafa_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

CLASS A

Delmarva 8, Rome 0

LP: Walker (3-11) 4.1 IP, 9 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 3 K
Lewis 2.2 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K
Kennedy 2 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 1 K

Martinez 2-3
Mooney 1-4, 2B
Pache 1-4, 2B
(only 4 hits)

LINK (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2017_07_23_delafx_romafx_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

SHORT-SEASON

Johnson City 8, Danville 5

LP: Mejia (1-2) 5 IP, 8 H. 5 ER, 0 BB, 2 K
Curtis 2 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 1 K
Weisenberg 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K

Lugbauer 2-3, 2 R, HR (9th), RBI
Keller 2-2, 2B, R
Baez 2-3, 2B

LINK
(http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2017_07_23_dnvrok_jcyrok_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)
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GCL Braves, DSL Braves idle

All Times Eastern

MOVES:
Caleb Dirks returned to Gwinnett from Florida
Joe Odom promoted to Gwinnett from Florida
FYI: Adam Brett Walker released by Norfolk
Corbin Clouse promoted to Miss. from Florida
Enrique Burgos returned to Gwinnett from Miss.

[WaitingFor2017]

Allard and Franco will excel today.

[bravesfanMatt]

Allard and Franco will excel today.

Word! I will access this page later to commend you. I think you are making a strong PowerPoint.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

I wish we still had Ben "Spread" Sheets in our system.

[nsacpi]

At this point, one of the usual suspects should pipe up and remind us the games are not played in a spreadsheet.

[bravesfanMatt]

He was being a true Oracle by making that prediction.

[msstate7]

Wisler last 7 starts...
43.1 ip 40 h 10 er 8 bb 30 k
Era = 2.09
Whip = 1.11

[bravesfanMatt]

Wisler last 7 starts...
43.1 ip 40 h 10 er 8 bb 30 k
Era = 2.09
Whip = 1.11

I hope he does well again. I really would like to see him in Atl this year. I know Simms is killing it too.. but I don't think he is on the 40 yet. So I see Wisler or Blair getting the first call up.

[IslandBrave]

I hope he does well again. I really would like to see him in Atl this year. I know Simms is killing it too.. but I don't think he is on the 40 yet. So I see Wisler or Blair getting the first call up.

Sims was added to the 40 in the offseason. They didn't take the chance of losing him in the Rule 5

[bravesfanMatt]

Sims was added to the 40 in the offseason. They didn't take the chance of losing him in the Rule 5

cool, I knew his time was coming. I thought it was this off season. Thx for the update.

[CJ9]

Blair started for Gwinnett and only went one inning. Maybe just to keep him fresh if he's needed Wednesday in case of a Garcia deal?

[rico43]

What a waste of promising talent. Adam Brett Walker was released by the Orioles from the AAA Norfolk roster.

Walker returned to AAA after the Orioles signed him as a free agent June 10 and assigned him to Bowie in the Eastern League. Even though Walker earlier batting a feeble .122 while playing for Mississippi, he was a man possessed with Bowie -- .426-6-12 in just 12 games.
But once back in AAA with Norfolk, in 18 games he hit a pathetic .080-1-3 with 26 strikeouts.
Counting his time with Gwinnett, Walker's numbers show a player who has maxed out his ability to develop his massive talent at the ripe old age of 25:

In 54 total games, Walker hit .183-12-31 with a dizzying 78 strikeouts. His six-year pro career shows him with 136 homers, but 822 strikeouts in 638 ganes.

Recall, his series of homers and other success as a pinch-hitter made him a darkhorse candidate for the opening day lineup. Instead, he was released May 9.

[rico43]

Blair started for Gwinnett and only went one inning. Maybe just to keep him fresh if he's needed Wednesday in case of a Garcia deal?

Do we know if he flew to LA and back Friday?

[CJ9]

Minter getting hit again today.

[SJ24]

Waters is really struggling. 0-2 with 2 K today so far.

17 K in 24 AB so far.

[Jay212033]

My top pitcher Allard is getting pummeled! 😔

[SJ24]

Lugbauer with his 9th dinger.

[msstate7]

Cumberland 3-3, 2 2b
Up to .260

[nsacpi]

My top pitcher Allard is getting pummeled! ��

He's had a pretty good season as a 19 year old in AA but I think he's lost some ground to Soroka and Gohara. My ranking of starting pitching prospects now looks like this:

1) Soroka
2) Gohara
3) Wright
4) Allard
5) Anderson

Those are the Big 5. Below them are guys who I think are more likely to end up as relievers in the majors but in most cases should continue to get looks as starters for now.

6) Newcomb
7) Sims
8) Toussaint
9) Wentz
10) Fried
11) Weigel

[atl717]

Allard hasn't lost any ground on those guys. You can't just scout the stat line.

[thethe]

Allard hasn't lost any ground on those guys. You can't just scout the stat line.

This

[zbhargrove]

He's had a pretty good season as a 19 year old in AA but I think he's lost some ground to Soroka and Gohara. My ranking of starting pitching prospects now looks like this:

1) Soroka
2) Gohara
3) Wright
4) Allard
5) Anderson

Those are the Big 5. Below them are guys who I think are more likely to end up as relievers in the majors but in most cases should continue to get looks as starters for now.

6) Newcomb
7) Sims
8) Toussaint
9) Wentz
10) Fried
11) Weigel

How is Wilson not in there??

[zbhargrove]

Allard hasn't lost any ground on those guys. You can't just scout the stat line.

No, but you can definitely scout his peripherals... earlier in the season he was way out pitching his peripherals and now it's been obviously catching up the last little while. He has definitely lost ground on some of the other guys. Its pretty obvious.

[Southcack77]

Lugbauer with his 9th dinger.


How are they handling his position? I know he'd had starts at C, 1B, and 3B, I think early on. He was one I hoped might be able to handle 3B.

[rico43]

Horrible day on the farm unless your name is Cumberland or Lugbauer.

[Southcack77]

I think Touki is a guy whose K peripherals lagged for a bit. It can ebb and flow. but I would be willing to move Allard, I think.

[nsacpi]

How is Wilson not in there??

Hint: I have at least 11 starters in our system ranked ahead of him.

[nsacpi]

I think Touki is a guy whose K peripherals lagged for a bit. It can ebb and flow. but I would be willing to move Allard, I think.

That's right. Both of them are seeing their results normalize relative to peripherals.

[zbhargrove]

Hint: I have at least 11 starters in our system ranked ahead of him.

Yikes... he's easily in my top 5. You were always way higher on Soroka than everyone early on... Wilson is my Soroka

[smootness]

Waters is really struggling. 0-2 with 2 K today so far.

17 K in 24 AB so far.

Yeah, may need to go back to the GCL. Appears to be overmatched right now.

[nsacpi]

Yikes... he's easily in my top 5. You were always way higher on Soroka than everyone early on... Wilson is my Soroka

Wilson would have been next on my list. He's done very well. A great 4th round pick.

[nsacpi]

Yikes... he's easily in my top 5. You were always way higher on Soroka than everyone early on... Wilson is my Soroka

I was also pimping Albies and Acuna when they were still in diapers. What the other poster said about me scouting the stat line is true to some extent. But it's no ordinary stat line that I rely on. I'm pretty selective about the guys I go out on a limb with.

[Hawk]

I was also pimping Albies and Acuna when they were still in diapers. What the other poster said about me scouting the stat line is true to some extent. But it's no ordinary stat line that I rely on. I'm pretty selective about the guys I go out on a limb with.

I remember you were bullish way, way early on with Acuna.

[MadduxFanII]

Lugbauer is definitely someone I'm going to keep an eye on. Have to love the big left-handed power from a catcher. No reason to get too excited about a college product in the Appalachian League, but he's not THAT old for a college draft pick.

[zbhargrove]

I remember you were bullish way, way early on with Acuna.

Yup... he was all over Acuna way early.

[thethe]

Many of us were because of his power and bb to k ratio in the low minors.

[zbhargrove]

Many of us were because of his power and bb to k ratio in the low minors.

No... he was all over him way before anyone else... like DSL/GCL. I remember that specifically

[nsacpi]

No... he was all over him way before anyone else... like DSL/GCL. I remember that specifically

He was never in the DSL. He did well in the GCL. But what really impressed me was what he did in the Appalachian League after being promoted from the GCL that year.

[zbhargrove]

He was never in the DSL. He did well in the GCL. But what really impressed me was what he did in the Appalachian League after being promoted from the GCL that year.

I just meant, around that time period

[thethe]

No... he was all over him way before anyone else... like DSL/GCL. I remember that specifically

Nsacpi doesn't need any build up. His depth of analysis speaks for itself. All I'm saying is many were on the acuna bandwagon for a while. The history is all on this board.

[nsacpi]

I just meant, around that time period

Yeah I know. What he and Albies did as 17 years olds in the Appalachian League is just very special. Lots of 17 year olds do well in the DSL and GCL. But the Appalachian League has a lot of college players, some of them drafted as seniors, some of them with several years in pro ball. To have a kid who would be a high school junior more than hold his own in that league is pretty special. Doesn't happen much and is a very good indicator of him having some special talent.

[The Chosen One]

I remember you were bullish way, way early on with Acuna.

Yep. I only know about Acuna because of nsacpi being the only one to mention him in a thread.

[zbhargrove]

Yeah I know. What he and Albies did as 17 years olds in the Appalachian League is just very special. Lots of 17 year olds do well in the DSL and GCL. But the Appalachian League has a lot of college players, some of them drafted as seniors, some of them with several years in pro ball. To have a kid who would be a high school junior more than hold his own in that league is pretty special. Doesn't happen much and is a very good indicator of him having some special talent.

Shoot what Albies and Acuna have done at every level at their age is simply remarkable. Hard to believe how little they signed for.

[The Chosen One]

Shoot what Albies and Acuna have done at every level at their age is simply remarkable. Hard to believe how little they signed for.

Thank You Frank Wren.

[chipchildress]

He's had a pretty good season as a 19 year old in AA but I think he's lost some ground to Soroka and Gohara. My ranking of starting pitching prospects now looks like this:

1) Soroka
2) Gohara
3) Wright
4) Allard
5) Anderson

Those are the Big 5. Below them are guys who I think are more likely to end up as relievers in the majors but in most cases should continue to get looks as starters for now.

6) Newcomb
7) Sims
8) Toussaint
9) Wentz
10) Fried
11) Weigel

I agree with that five. Gohara and Soroka are dominating. Hard not to put them on top right now given both their performance and what the scouts are saying.

Bryse Wilson from Orange High in Hillsborough looks like he's the next one in line to get the big press and possibly make it a big 6.



Sims is having an unreal year. Is the knock on him the fly balls ratio? The dude has been untouchable the last month it looks like. Best year of his career.

[TheBravos]

And Touki if he pitches like the last few games...my,my.

[nsacpi]

Shoot what Albies and Acuna have done at every level at their age is simply remarkable. Hard to believe how little they signed for.

You take the early success and then pile on top of that their very rapid advancement after their age 17 seasons and it is easy to get spoiled and forget how amazing their progress has been. I think those two have set a very high benchmark against which to compare Maitan. I'll be very interested to see how Maitan's Danville numbers compare to theirs. Right now Maitan has a .744 OPS in 7 games. Acuna had an .851 OPS in Danville and Albies turned in an .881 OPS.

[chop2chip]

I agree with that five. Gohara and Soroka are dominating. Hard not to put them on top right now given both their performance and what the scouts are saying.

Bryse Wilson from Orange High in Hillsborough looks like he's the next one in line to get the big press and possibly make it a big 6.



Sims is having an unreal year. Is the knock on him the fly balls ratio? The dude has been untouchable the last month it looks like. Best year of his career.
I hadn't really noticed until I read your post then looked up his statistics. I can't believe he's trimmed his walk rate under 3.0

That's always been a huge issue for him. Unfortunately, the homers have been high this year (and he's extreme fly all pitcher, which is a bad combo). If he can learn to suppress those, then we might have a solid starter on our hands.

[sturg33]

Nsacpi doesn't need any build up. His depth of analysis speaks for itself. All I'm saying is many were on the acuna bandwagon for a while. The history is all on this board.

To be fair, you're on everyone's bandwagon all the time.

[nsacpi]

To be fair, you're on everyone's bandwagon all the time.

He claims he was never on Demeritte's bandwagon but I find that hard to believe.

[nsacpi]

I hadn't really noticed until I read your post then looked up his statistics. I can't believe he's trimmed his walk rate under 3.0

That's always been a huge issue for him. Unfortunately, the homers have been high this year (and he's extreme fly all pitcher, which is a bad combo). If he can learn to suppress those, then we might have a solid starter on our hands.

Home run per fly ball will normalize some. It is a bit like BABIP. Sims will tend to be high, but I think his numbers will come down whatever level he pitches at next.

Odds are both Sims and Newcomb will end up in the pen. It would be yuge if one let alone both developed into a major league starter.

[The Chosen One]

He claims he was never on Demeritte's bandwagon but I find that hard to believe.

We'll never know since that's when he went missing.

[msstate7]

He claims he was never on Demeritte's bandwagon but I find that hard to believe.

I liked TD a lot. When I saw him at Mississippi earlier this year, he was raking. Hard to believe he's fell this hard. Almost makes me wonder if he's dealing with some sort of injury

[nsacpi]

I liked TD a lot. When I saw him at Mississippi earlier this year, he was raking. Hard to believe he's fell this hard. Almost makes me wonder if he's dealing with some sort of injury

probably making a mechanical adjustment

[Enscheff]

I remember you were bullish way, way early on with Acuna.

Yup, nsacpi was pimping Acuna before any prospect guy knew who he was.

Same with Pache. He pointed him out, then a few months later Longenhagen pegged him as a Top 105 guy.

[Enscheff]

To be fair, you're on everyone's bandwagon all the time.

lol there's an understatement.

[nsacpi]

Yup, nsacpi was pimping Acuna before any prospect guy knew who he was.

Same with Pache. He pointed him out, then a few months later Longenhagen pegged him as a Top 105 guy.

I think we're seeing this year Pache is not quite up there with Albies and Acuna. That's not really a knock. Its just that those two are so exceptional.

[Oklahomabrave]

I think we're seeing this year Pache is not quite up there with Albies and Acuna. That's not really a knock. Its just that those two are so exceptional.

I think a lot of Pache's value is his otherworldly CF defense, which won't show up in the numbers.

[nsacpi]

I think a lot of Pache's value is his otherworldly CF defense, which won't show up in the numbers.

Yeah. I've seen the same reports. The bat looks a little iffy, but he still very young.

[SJ24]

Maitan about had his 2nd HR yesterday. Hit it to the warning track in center.

Has hit in all 7 Appy League games and his average is at .300.

[chipchildress]

Yup, nsacpi was pimping Acuna before any prospect guy knew who he was.

Same with Pache. He pointed him out, then a few months later Longenhagen pegged him as a Top 105 guy.

juan yepez too!

[nsacpi]

juan yepez too!

fair enough!

[smootness]

Pache looks like he can at least be an Inciarte type with maybe more potential with the bat. I'll take that as a ceiling.

[CJ9]

Baseball America updated our top 10. The top nine aren't a surprise since they were all top 100 guys, but they have Bryse Wilson as #10: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-atlanta-braves-midseason-top-10-prospects/#O5KvC7e7xUxP1W6x.97

[zbhargrove]

Baseball America updated our top 10. The top nine aren't a surprise since they were all top 100 guys, but they have Bryse Wilson as #10: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-atlanta-braves-midseason-top-10-prospects/#O5KvC7e7xUxP1W6x.97

Not a surprise to me :p

[50PoundHead]

Baseball America updated our top 10. The top nine aren't a surprise since they were all top 100 guys, but they have Bryse Wilson as #10: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-atlanta-braves-midseason-top-10-prospects/#O5KvC7e7xUxP1W6x.97

About the only 2016 draftee that has really stunk it up is Harrington. I wasn't enamored with the pick in the first place and then they went slightly over slot to sign him. Puzzler.

[chipchildress]

Baseball America updated our top 10. The top nine aren't a surprise since they were all top 100 guys, but they have Bryse Wilson as #10: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-atlanta-braves-midseason-top-10-prospects/#O5KvC7e7xUxP1W6x.97

they obviously read my post from yesterday predicting that Wilson was about to start getting some big press. ha