7/23 GDT: Dodgers

[nsacpi]

Tough matchup against Kershaw.

Some observations:

1) Adams has a .973 OPS against him in 14 PA. I think he should be in the lineup.

2) Phillips has a .809 OPS against him in 29 PA. I hope he's good to go.

3) Ender and Freddie have hit him well. They should obviously be in the lineup.

4) Flowers in a small sample (9 PA) has not. I'd play Recker and have Flowers catch Dickey tomorrow in Arizona.

5) Markakis in a small sample (5 PA) has hit him well. I would rest him and play Santana in right.

6) Kershaw has reverse splits this year (mostly because lefties have had a higher BABIP against him) but has significant conventional splits in 2015 and 2016 and for his career. As a general proposition you want to load up on righties in the lineup. But we have three lefties (Adams, Frederick the Great, and Ender) who have been able to handle him.

[thethe]

Camargo in at SS.

[msstate7]

Camargo in at SS.

Phillips in at 2b. Gotta send dansby down till he starts hitting again

[Heyward]

Ender
BP
FF
Kemp
Markakis
Flowers
Adams
Camargo
Newk

Lineup today

[nsacpi]

expecting a yuge game from Flowers

[jpx7]

Gotta send dansby down till he starts hitting again

It's pretty infuriating that the Braves have yet to do this. He needs regular PAs, one way or another.

[CyYoung31]

Impressed that Snit is wise enough to start Adams today.

[Hulavol]

It's gotta be a tough decision to send Dansby down when half the kids at Suntrust (including mine) proudly run around in their new #7 Jerseys.... and his face is plastered all over the Battery.. but enough is enough.

That being said, I have a pretty good feeling that Freeman is gonna hurt Kershaw today... and that we win. Don't ask me how..

[nsacpi]

Impressed that Snit is wise enough to start Adams today.

Yeah. Hopefully it pays off.

[nsacpi]

It's pretty infuriating that the Braves have yet to do this. He needs regular PAs, one way or another.

At this point he looks so lost at the plate that I've changed my mind about sending him down. I don't think there are any plusses to having him on the big league team give the way he going.

[nsacpi]

It's gotta be a tough decision to send Dansby down when half the kids at Suntrust (including mine) proudly run around in their new #7 Jerseys.... and his face is plastered all over the Battery.. but enough is enough.

That being said, I have a pretty good feeling that Freeman is gonna hurt Kershaw today... and that we win. Don't ask me how..

We need Nook to pitch a competitive game. Its a big start for him.

[nsacpi]

Phillips in at 2b. Gotta send dansby down till he starts hitting again

by my calculation he is at about a .625 OPS since we made our bet. You win if over .700, I win if less. Have you found an ole miss logo?

[CyYoung31]

Gonna be a long day.

[Heyward]

Kershaw is gonna pwn us, good luck Newk.

[CyYoung31]

We need Don Newcombe today.

[msstate7]

by my calculation he is at about a .625 OPS since we made our bet. You win if over .700, I win if less. Have you found an ole miss logo?

https://s18.postimg.org/kz7j0zg8p/IMG_1764.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/loqbdcgs5/)

[bravesfanMatt]

At the pool today. How is Newk looking.

[nsacpi]

Muk should have caught that foul ball...would have prevented the double on the next pitch

[nsacpi]

https://s18.postimg.org/kz7j0zg8p/IMG_1764.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/loqbdcgs5/)

excellent

[CyYoung31]

At the pool today. How is Newk looking.

Not good.

[Hawk]

There is a God.

[Garmel]

Newcomb just can't get the ball over the plate.

[CyYoung31]

Why did Thompson's line say pinch hitter?

[bravesfanMatt]

Did they just pinch hit for Kershaw? What happened.

[chop2chip]

Good news for the Braves, but disappointed not to see a full game from Kershaw. Always a real joy to see pitch.

[nsacpi]

stuff looks good...control not so much...missing the target even on strikes

[CyYoung31]

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0680875739200886454-4

[nsacpi]

Did they just pinch hit for Kershaw? What happened. finished a couple of pitches awkwardly...lower body muscle injury is my guess

[CyYoung31]

Good news for the Braves, but disappointed not to see a full game from Kershaw. Always a real joy to see pitch.

I hope it's not serious, but I'm not going to complain about not having to face Kershaw in the middle of July with a chance to take the series.

[USMA76]

Somebody needs to bring Joe Simpson up to speed on American colloquialisms. Simpson just said that "[Kershaw] is the 'cowbell' of their organization." According to Webster:

cowbell: a bell hung around a cow's neck in order to help locate the animal by the noise it makes.

bell cow: (2nd meaning) leader

Don't think he really meant the former...

[nsacpi]

fantastic veteran clutchness from Phillips

[Garmel]

I hope we get BP out of this game before he hurts that hamstring even more.

[Freshmaker]

Just made it in under the gun and put $100 on the Braves at +305. Let's go fellas! Hold this lead :elefant:

[nsacpi]

Nook effectively wild so far

[Enscheff]

Newk still wild, and still not throwing a change to RHers.

Same thing, different day.

[The Chosen One]

Newk in Tehearn mode.

[CyYoung31]

I hope we score some runs, because Newcomb can't keep pitching like this.

[CyYoung31]

Same pitch, same location, two different calls.

[Garmel]

This is ridiculous.

[CyYoung31]

This is going to get ugly.

[Heyward]

Playing with fire.

[nsacpi]

Same pitch, same location, two different calls.both were balls

[The Chosen One]

GJ Newk.

[USMA76]

One hit, three runs for LA in that sequence. smh

[Heyward]

Newk is bad

[nsacpi]

that was rdiculous...Flowers wanted the pitch up and in...

[zbhargrove]

Newk is bad

His stuff can just be absolutely sick though.... Man... just get done with those stupid walks dude.

[CyYoung31]

Newcomb s pitching scared.

[Freshmaker]

Yeah he might need to go back to Gwinnett. I hate to do that, but now it's 4 bad starts in a row if he comes out here

[zbhargrove]

Let's see what Sims has now I guess

[The Chosen One]

Yeah he might need to go back to Gwinnett. I hate to do that, but now it's 4 bad starts in a row if he comes out here

We gonna ride the Wisler-Blair Smash Train again?

[atl717]

But people said his command was improved and he was a victim of poor minor league umpiring. One of the more reidiculous things I've read. He's a reliever.

[msstate7]

Yeah he might need to go back to Gwinnett. I hate to do that, but now it's 4 bad starts in a row if he comes out here

Houston
Washington
Cubs
Dodgers

Pretty tough stretch for a rookie

[Heyward]

But people said his command was improved and he was a victim of poor minor league umpiring. One of the more reidiculous things I've read. He's a reliever.

Good thing Coppy loaded up on those useless pitching prospects

[The Chosen One]

But people said his command was improved and he was a victim of poor minor league umpiring. One of the more reidiculous things I've read. He's a reliever.

Too early to end his starting career like that. We have many years of control left.

[nsacpi]

His stuff can just be absolutely sick though.... Man... just get done with those stupid walks dude.

Stuff is great. But he needs to work on the command and on the third pitch. I would send him back down to AAA after this start and bring up Sims. But I absolutely would not give up on him as a starting pitcher.

[msstate7]

You guys give up on young players pretty quickly.

[The Chosen One]

All these years of letting Wisler go out there and getting destroyed and we're already at the conclusion Newk is finnish?

[nsacpi]

Houston
Washington
Cubs
Dodgers

Pretty tough stretch for a rookie

Yup. But there is a guy in AAA who I believe is more ready at this point.

[nsacpi]

You guys give up on young players pretty quickly.

Who gave up on him? Did I miss something?

[Enscheff]

Over the course of 8 starts the consensus on Newk around here has gone from assuming he's in the 2018 rotation, to him possibly being the Ace over Folty, to him needing to go back to AAA.

Quite the swing in opinion in a guy over the course of 8 games.

[Heyward]

Newk needs a 3rd pitch, cant make it in the bigs with just 2 pitches. Rare but very unlikely.

[Heyward]

Over the course of 8 starts the consensus on Newk around here has gone from assuming he's in the 2018 rotation, to him possibly being the Ace over Folty, to him needing to go back to AAA.

Quite the swing in opinion in a guy over the course of 8 games.

I still like Newk but he needs to develop a 3rd pitch.

[nsacpi]

Over the course of 8 starts the consensus on Newk around here has gone from assuming he's in the 2018 rotation, to him possibly being the Ace over Folty, to him needing to go back to AAA.

Quite the swing in opinion in a guy over the course of 8 games.

Well there are some weather vanes around here. The bottom line on Nook is that the odds are he will end up a reliever but there is enough there to work with that we want to give him as many chances as possible to develop as a starter. That was the case when he first came up. It was the case after his first four starts. And its the case now.

[sturg33]

Not to high on Nook... Another bad trade. Hopefully he can eventually become a dominant reliever.

[chop2chip]

You guys give up on young players pretty quickly.

This.

Expect failure with young pitchers, enjoy tiny victories, and hope one day something clicks.

[nsacpi]

Newk needs a 3rd pitch, cant make it in the bigs with just 2 pitches. Rare but very unlikely.

Command is the second issue. It shows up in the walks but also that two strike pitch he gave up the homer on. That was an awful pitch. Not close to where Flowers wanted it.

[Freshmaker]

Houston
Washington
Cubs
Dodgers

Pretty tough stretch for a rookie

Very true, and a great point I hadn't considered. In light of that, let's let him continue working out the kinks up here. He at least limited the damage, so that's good

[chop2chip]

Not to high on Nook... Another bad trade. Hopefully he can eventually become a dominant reliever.
Coincidentally, Simmons homered today and is enjoying his all around best season.

[CyYoung31]

But people said his command was improved and he was a victim of poor minor league umpiring. One of the more reidiculous things I've read. He's a reliever.

So, the kid makes less than 10 starts and struggles, and now he's a reliever.

If every pitcher were treated like that every team would have 2-man starting rotations.

[Enscheff]

Command is the second issue. It shows up in the walks but also that two strike pitch he gave up the homer on. That was an awful pitch. Not close to where Flowers wanted it.

Those issues play off each other. If RHers had to think about a change, they wouldn't destroy his FA so easily or so often when he makes a mistake.

Right now, RHers just sit on the FA because they don't have to worry about the change.

[nsacpi]

Coincidentally, Simmons homered today and is enjoying his all around best season.

Yeah. Never liked that trade and nothing has happened to changed my mind about it.

[chop2chip]

For all of his warts, Newk has those innings where he flashes. That was an impressive inning.

[Enscheff]

So, the kid makes less than 10 starts and struggles, and now he's a reliever.

If every pitcher were treated like that every team would have 2-man starting rotations.

Plenty of people have pegged him as a BP arm before he made his first MLB start. This is not an evaluation made after 40 MLB innings.

[Heyward]

5 IP, 3 runs isnt awful given how lucky hes been. Those walks though sigh

[The Chosen One]

Coincidentally, Simmons homered today and is enjoying his all around best season.

And we get Dansby whom makes dumb mistakes defensively and loves swinging at strikes and balls.

[CyYoung31]

Plenty of people have pegged him as a BP arm before he made his first MLB start. This is not an evaluation made after 40 MLB innings.

So? The same logic still applies. He needs time.

[Heyward]

Yeah. Never liked that trade and nothing has happened to changed my mind about it.

Ditto, i was ok with trading with him but do think we could have gotten a much bigger return had Coppy waited longer.

Seeing Simba have a great year and make clutch hits for LA this year hurts tho.

[chop2chip]

And we get Dansby whom makes dumb mistakes defensively and loves swinging at strikes and balls.
Dansby being a stud help mitigated those rotten feelings of trading Simba.

This version of Dansby compounds that stress.

[Enscheff]

Ditto, i was ok with trading with him but do think we could have gotten a much bigger return had Coppy waited longer.

Seeing Simba have a great year and make clutch hits for LA this year hurts tho.

The Angels have gotten almost 4 more wins at SS this year so far than the Braves.

[msstate7]

Folty rookie year...
86.2 ip 109 h 45 er 36 bb 92 k
5.71 era
1.63 whip

Took him a minute and it'll take Newcomb a minute too

[The Chosen One]

Ditto, i was ok with trading with him but do think we could have gotten a much bigger return had Coppy waited longer.

Seeing Simba have a great year and make clutch hits for LA this year hurts tho.

Coppy will ease those concerns by also trading Albies.

[Heyward]

The Angels have gotten almost 4 more wins at SS this year so far than the Braves.

Not surprising, Simmons has had a great year.

Obviously we havent had much from SS this year.

[msstate7]

The Angels have gotten almost 4 more wins at SS this year so far than the Braves.

I'm pretty chill and trust the FO, but I hated the Simmons' trade. Still do

[SidSlid92]

You don't give up on an arm like this after 40 innings. Many wanted to banish Folty to the pen in his first year with us; now he's mentioned as a long term staple. Relax and let the kid develop. We aren't in the division race and not gonna make the wild card game. Leave him in the bigs, let him learn on the job, and watch him progress. Absolutely convinced Newk will be a #2 or #3 in our rotation for the long haul

[mfree80]

For all of his warts, Newk has those innings where he flashes. That was an impressive inning.

Which is why you show a little patience and don't give up on him after his first struggle.

[nsacpi]

So? The same logic still applies. He needs time.

He needs to be given every opportunity to make it as a starter. But imo the odds are he will end up as a reliever.

I also think we have an alternative in Sims who is probably more major league ready.

[Heyward]

I'm pretty chill and trust the FO, but I hated the Simmons' trade. Still do

That, Wood deal, and Kimbrel/BJ deal main ones i hate.

[zbhargrove]

I still like Newk but he needs to develop a 3rd pitch.

When he throws the change-up, it looks pretty good. I'm not sure why he doesn't throw it more.

[msstate7]

FF last 10 games...
8/35 (.229) 12 k, 3 bb

[nsacpi]

Folty rookie year...
86.2 ip 109 h 45 er 36 bb 92 k
5.71 era
1.63 whip

Took him a minute and it'll take Newcomb a minute too

That's why you give guys with special arms every chance to make it as a starter.

[msstate7]

When he throws the change-up, it looks pretty good. I'm not sure why he doesn't throw it more.

Could it be flowers not calling it enough?

[Heyward]

Well last 2 innings are why you dont give up on Newk.

6 innings, 3 runs vs the best team in the NL, made one mistake. Could have been much, much worse.

[nsacpi]

When he throws the change-up, it looks pretty good. I'm not sure why he doesn't throw it more.

I'd say most of the time it doesn't look good. But some of them do. Let's just say it is a work in progress.

[zbhargrove]

Classic Newcomb... struggles one inning, looks like Kershaw the next

[zbhargrove]

I'd say most of the time it doesn't look good. But some of them do. Let's just say it is a work in progress.

I should say the one's I've seen... and since he already doesn't throw many, I haven't seen many. What I've seen has looked pretty decent.

[zbhargrove]

Well, it's a quality start if he's done. What a useless stat.

[msstate7]

Well, it's a quality start if he's done. What a useless stat.

He absolutely should be done. He rebounded nicely from the bomb... let em feel good headed into the next one

[Enscheff]

Folty rookie year...
86.2 ip 109 h 45 er 36 bb 92 k
5.71 era
1.63 whip

Took him a minute and it'll take Newcomb a minute too

What was Folty's BB/9 that year? What is Newk's this year?

How much harder did Folty throw?

How many more types of pitches did Folty throw?

Are you still willing to suggest a 23 year old Folty and a 24 year old Newk are at all comparable?

[Heyward]

9 K's is impressive, those walks man sigh.

[msstate7]

Dodgers have to pull the best pitcher in the game unexpectedly after 2 and the braves get 2 hits. What a pathetic performance

[thethe]

Predictable posters showing up sparingly to talk about a perceived bad move of this current FO. Newk is going to be real good.

[Heyward]

Dodgers have to pull the best pitcher in the game unexpectedly after 2 and the braves get 2 hits. What a pathetic performance

Rock Alex Wood for 9 runs (more than he's given up all year combined in his starts), cant hit Stripling and Avilan. Baseball for ya.

[Enscheff]

Not surprising, Simmons has had a great year.

Obviously we havent had much from SS this year.

Was about the same last year as well. Simmons has been consistently very good.

[zbhargrove]

Predictable posters showing up sparingly to talk about a perceived bad move of this current FO. Newk is going to be real good.

He will be... if he can stop the walks... which he has never shown he can do. I'm bullish on him, but its never gonna happen if he can't stop that part of his game.

[Enscheff]

Predictable posters showing up sparingly to talk about a perceived bad move of this current FO. Newk is going to be real good.

Just relaying facts. I'm sorry they don't agree with your opinion.

[chop2chip]

What was Folty's BB/9 that year? What's is Newk's this year?

How much harder did Folty throw?

How many more types of pitches did Folty throw?

Are you still willing to suggest a 23 year old Folty and a 24 year old Newk are at all comparable?
Folty threw more pitches, but none of them were really effective, including that upper 90's fastball, which hitters tee'd off on with great regularity.

I actually think Folty is a good example of a development path for Newk, for better or worse. I suspect that in two years from now Newk will resemble something close to a league average pitcher that people will dream on being something much more because of his stuff.

[msstate7]

What was Folty's BB/9 that year? What's is Newk's this year?

How much harder did Folty throw?

How many more types of pitches did Folty throw?

Are you still willing to suggest a 23 year old Folty and a 24 year old Newk are at all comparable?

MiLB careers...

Folty...
646.1 ip 609 h 286 bb 566 k
3.84 era
1.38 whip
.252 baa

Newcomb...
348.1 ip 271 h 186 bb 412 k
3.23 era
1.31 whip
.215 baa

[Enscheff]

MiLB careers...

Folty...
646.1 ip 609 h 286 bb 566 k
3.84 era
1.38 whip
.252 baa

Newcomb...
348.1 ip 271 h 186 bb 412 k
3.23 era
1.31 whip
.215 baa

That isn't even remotely close to answering the questions I posited.

[msstate7]

That isn't even remotely close to answering the questions I posited.

Bb/9 is concerning for Newcomb, but it's the only stat folty has outdone him at. Newcomb has been better in MiLB and MLB at same stage of their careers. Newcomb will end up being good too

[Enscheff]

Bb/9 is concerning for Newcomb, but it's the only stat folty has outdone him at. Newcomb has been better in MiLB and MLB at same stage of their careers. Newcomb will end up being good too

You're right. Folty only threw harder and had much better command than Newk, who is a year older when making his MLB debut (actually 2 years older, but we won't count Folty's tiny number of innings when he was 22).

Other than that, they're basically the same haha!

We all know how little velocity and command means for pitching success, right?

[Heyward]

Unless Newk gets better command, he wont become of much.

Still lots of time to get right of course.

[msstate7]

You're right. Folty only threw harder and had much better command than Newk, who is a year older when making his MLB debut (actually 2 years older, but we won't count Folty's tiny number of innings when he was 22).

Other than that, they're basically the same haha!

We all know how little velocity and command means for pitching success, right?

You saying Newcomb doesn't have the velocity from the left side to be successful? Newcomb's curve is the best pitch between the 2. If Newcomb can master the change, he'll be very good

[SidSlid92]

Had no problem dealing Simba when we did. Loved getting Newk. Just hated taking back Aybar in that deal.

Fully believe we will look back in 2 years and be thankful Newk is getting to go through the learning pains this season. Let him pitch the rest of the way, pencil him in next season, let him learn on the job, and just sit back and watch what he becomes.

I'd like for us to open up 2 spots in the rotation by the deadline to do the same for Wisler and Sims. Trade Garcia. Then move one of Dickey or Julio. Personally in the trade Julio now camp. I don't think Dickey has any trade value, but if we could find a taker, ship him out. Bring up Wisler and Sims and let them take their turn every 5 days in August and September. Just find out what they are and if either can pitch at the back of the rotation.

[chop2chip]

You're right. Folty only threw harder and had much better command than Newk, who is a year older when making his MLB debut (actually 2 years older, but we won't count Folty's tiny number of innings when he was 22).

Other than that, they're basically the same haha!

We all know how little velocity and command means for pitching success, right?
No sarcasm here, but why do you identify rookie Folty as an example of success?

[Enscheff]

You saying Newcomb doesn't have the velocity from the left side to be successful? Newcomb's curve is the best pitch between the 2. If Newcomb can master the change, he'll be very good

Take the time to read my post again.

Did I say he doesn't have enough velo, or did I say Folty has better velo?

If if if, that's all you can say about Newk.

[Enscheff]

No sarcasm here, but why do you identify rookie Folty as an example of success?

I don't.

Go back and look at who compared them.

Please try to keep up with the conversation if you're going to chime in.

[msstate7]

Take the time to read my post again.

Did I say he doesn't have enough velo, or did I say Folty has better velo?

If if if, that's all you can say about Newk.

It's pretty much what you say about any pitching prospect 8 starts into their career

[Enscheff]

It's pretty much what you say about any pitching prospect 8 starts into their career

Sure, but I'm going to think more highly of the guy who averaged a 97 MPH with a 3 BB/9 than the guy averaging 93 MPH with 6 BB/9.

I suppose you look for other things when evaluating pitchers. That's fine I guess. It's wrong, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[chop2chip]

I don't.

Go back and look at who compared them.

Please try to keep up with the conversation if you're going to chime in.

TBF, you took a general comment a poster made about willing to be patient with a young pitcher with a similar pedigree and took the leap to infer the poster was stating that they were qualitatively comparable.

But never mind all of that, I am curious what your outlook was for 2015 Folty at the time. It seems to me you feel more optimistic about him than you are Newk now.

[chop2chip]

There is a play Kemp would have never made. Lol

[The Chosen One]

WOW!!!

[UNCBlue012]

ADAMS. omg

[USMA76]

Meanwhile back at the game, three run jack by Adams.

[Enscheff]

TBF, you took a general comment a poster made about willing to be patient with a young pitcher with a similar pedigree and took the leap to infer the poster was stating that they were qualitatively comparable.

But never mind all of that, I am curious what your outlook was for 2015 Folty at the time. It seems to me you feel more optimistic about him than you are Newk now.

I have been pretty clearly high on Folty. When he was a rookie he was younger, threw harder and walked fewer people than Newk is now.

This offseason I predicted Folty would be the Ace of this staff by August.

Anyone comparing Newk to Folty right now is as wrong as clv saying Folty and Wisler were equivalent pitchers this offseason. Folty was pretty clearly better back then than Newk is now, yet folks are desperate to remain naive about Newk.

[nsacpi]

Matt Adams

[msstate7]

Sure, but I'm going to think more highly of the guy who averaged a 97 MPH with a 3 BB/9 than the guy averaging 93 MPH with 6 BB/9.

I suppose you look for other things when evaluating pitchers. That's fine I guess. It's wrong, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I suppose I'm as bad at evaluating pitching as you are at matt adams' ops

[zbhargrove]

Well... sucks for my fantasy team, because Jansen is one of my closer's.... but I'll take it.

[Enscheff]

Meanwhile back at the game, three run jack by Adams.

Up to .893.

Snit platooning might just win mistake7 our bet haha!

[zbhargrove]

Its a shame the market for first basemen is so thin.

[Enscheff]

I suppose I'm as bad at evaluating pitching as you are at matt adams' ops

Yes, you are fortunate he is being utilized as a platoon bat. Good call on your part...even though I'm confident you never expected it to be the case haha.

[msstate7]

Yes, you are fortunate he is being utilized a platoon bat. Good call on your part...even though I'm confident you never expected it to be the case haha.

Well he did start vs the best lhp in the game today

[chop2chip]

I have been pretty clearly high on Folty. When he was a rookie he was younger, threw harder and walked fewer people than Newk is now.

This offseason I predicted Folty would be the Ace of this staff by August.

Anyone comparing Newk to Folty right now is as wrong as clv saying Folty and Wisler were equivalent pitchers this offseason. Folty was pretty clearly better back then than Newk is now, yet folks are desperate to remain naive about Newk.

Newk has been more effective this season than Folty has (4.29 FIP to 4.53 for Folty) and he misses more bats.

I don't think Newk has been anything special, but I don't think the facts about Folty line up with your opinion of him.

[Enscheff]

Well he did start vs the best lhp in the game today

Lol so now he's not being used in a platoon?

If I lose our bet it's all my fault. I should have put a qualifier about him being an everyday player.

[msstate7]

Lol so now he's not being used in a platoon?

Not today anyway

[Enscheff]

Newk has been more effective this season than Folty has (4.29 FIP to 4.53 for Folty) and he misses more bats.

I don't think Newk has been anything special, but I don't think the facts about Folty line up with your opinion of him.

Just so I'm clear...you think Newk is currently better than Folty?

[Garmel]

We're trying our best to blow this.

[The Chosen One]

I need this to go deep so Turner can get a hit.

[Julio3000]

Dang, Viz.

[CyYoung31]

Damn. We're gonna lose, but good comeback.

[chop2chip]

Just so I'm clear...you think Newk is currently better than Folty?
His performance per inning has been. How can you argue otherwise?

[USMA76]

We're trying our best to blow this.

...whew.

[The Chosen One]

Fred with another DRS. Brooks Robinson.

[CyYoung31]

Fred with another DRS. Brooks Robinson.

I would have lost my ass if he'd dropped that ball in fair territory.

[Enscheff]

Not today anyway

Lol why are you bothering to argue this? You'll win whether he is being platooned or not.

Oh that's right, you're one of those guys who thought Adams increased his trade value, and admitting he is just a platoon bat completely throws that notion out the window haha.

[Enscheff]

His performance per inning has been. How can you argue otherwise?

Lol ok bud. I'm keeping tabs on these comments about Newk. We will see who's right.

[Hawk]

Jesus, this is literally like groundhog day.

[chop2chip]

Lol ok bud. I'm keeping tabs on these comments about Newk. We will see who's right.

Don't see why keeping tabs matters since I'm clearly referring to his past performance.

[Enscheff]

Don't see why keeping tabs matters since I'm clearly referring to his past performance.

Lol answer the question and stop skirting.

Who's the better pitcher, Folty or Newk?

[The Chosen One]

Lol answer the question and stop skirting.

Who's the better pitcher, Folty or Newk?

Why aren't you letting this go?

There's a game on right now. Drop it.

[CyYoung31]

This ****ing Morrow guy.

[chop2chip]

Lol answer the question and stop skirting.

Who's the better pitcher, Folty or Newk?

I gave my assessment of Newk and how he compared to Folty two pages ago on post #107. If you truly care to continue this debate, you can respond to that post.

[Enscheff]

Twitker using his closer in a tie game on the road? What universe is this??

[chop2chip]

This Chris Taylor guy has really impressed me this series. Seems like every year the Dodgers develop a guy like him out nowhere.

[CyYoung31]

Not sure about this ump.

[CyYoung31]

Twitker using his closer in a tie game on the road? What universe is this??

But is Johnson actually our best reliever available right now? (Legit question)

[The Chosen One]

lol Jimmy Johns.

[USMA76]

...and there's your ballgame.

[Hawk]

I hate watching Jim Johnson pitch.

[chop2chip]

I need this to go deep so Turner can get a hit.

There you go, happy?

[UNCBlue012]

JJ is the worst. Thanks for another blown save! Idiot.

[Hawk]

Good luck trading that flaming heap of dog****.

[Heyward]

JJ is the worst. Thanks for another blown save! Idiot.

Technically wasnt a save situation.

[CyYoung31]

JJ is the worst. Thanks for another blown save! Idiot.

Someone doesn't know what a blown save is.

[The Chosen One]

There you go, happy?

No I'm not actually.

I forgot I switched out Turner for Judge at the last minute... literally last minute.

Judge 0-3.

There goes my 25 hit streak on BTS...

[AerchAngel]

Jimmy Johns chokes under pressure unlike the franchise that is always on time.

[UNCBlue012]

Someone doesn't know what a blown save is. Someone doesn't really care if he mis-typed or not.

[nsacpi]

There you go, happy?

treason if you ask me

[Enscheff]

Someone doesn't really care if he mis-typed or not.

What exactly was the typo?

[nsacpi]

What exactly was the typo?

saying JJ blew a save situation

[Hawk]

Kershaw to DL.

[Heyward]

Kershaw to DL.

He'd miss just one start if its 10-day DL. Smart move however, Dodgers use the 10-day DL as much as anyone.

[Southcack77]

Folty rookie year...
86.2 ip 109 h 45 er 36 bb 92 k
5.71 era
1.63 whip

Took him a minute and it'll take Newcomb a minute too

That's the other reason trading pitching prospects makes sense. Even when they hit, it can take a bit.

Newcomb ended up going six and fanning 9, giving up 3 ER. Not so bad, but his struggles might take a year or two. This is what promoting prospects looks like. Which is why the folks who are against every trade of prospects and who pencil prospects into the rotation as effective pitchers should consider that obtaining established major leaguers isn't such a terrible thing.

[AerchAngel]

That's the other reason trading pitching prospects makes sense. Even when they hit, it can take a bit.

Newcomb ended up going six and fanning 9, giving up 3 ER. Not so bad, but his struggles might take a year or two. This is what promoting prospects looks like. Which is why the folks who are against every trade of prospects and who pencil prospects into the rotation as effective pitchers should consider that obtaining established major leaguers isn't such a terrible thing.

Glavine
Smoltz
Avery somewhat...

did not do so well when they first started either and News is pitching in an era that is much tougher to pitch.

They are pitching like Nied, McMurtry, Smith, even Lilliquist. It takes time and reps to get your footing nowadays.

[Southcack77]

Glavine
Smoltz
Avery somewhat...

did not do so well when they first started either and News is pitching in an era that is much tougher to pitch.

They are pitching like Nied, McMurtry, Smith, even Lilliquist. It takes time and reps to get your footing nowadays.

I think a lefty throwing 94 who can strike out 9 major leagues in 6 innings and 100+ pitches is something worth giving some time. Not quite understanding why you'd be down on that. Walks are bad, but he clearly can hold his own with stuff.

[msstate7]

July record = 9-9

Remaining schedule: 3 at Arizona and 4 at philly

[Hawk]

I think a lefty throwing 94 who can strike out 9 major leagues in 6 innings and 100+ pitches is something worth giving some time. Not quite understanding why you'd be down on that. Walks are bad, but he clearly can hold his own with stuff.

He's agreeing with you.

[Southcack77]

He's agreeing with you.

I know he was. I was agreeing with him.

[Hawk]

I know he was. I was agreeing with him.

And I agree with you.

[nsacpi]

That's the other reason trading pitching prospects makes sense. Even when they hit, it can take a bit.

Newcomb ended up going six and fanning 9, giving up 3 ER. Not so bad, but his struggles might take a year or two. This is what promoting prospects looks like. Which is why the folks who are against every trade of prospects and who pencil prospects into the rotation as effective pitchers should consider that obtaining established major leaguers isn't such a terrible thing.

Yeah. Once in a while they are good from the start but usually it takes a year or two to settle into a major league rotation. That's why I think we'll get a veteran pitcher to go with Teheran, Folty, Dickey and one of Newcomb/Sims in 2018. They are not likely to go with two unproven guys in the rotation unless injuries and so forth force their hand later in the year.

[The Chosen One]

And I agree with you.

Quoted for Agreement.

[nsacpi]

July record = 9-9

Remaining schedule: 3 at Arizona and 4 at philly

Not bad. We get Greinke tomorrow.

[thethe]

Yeah. Once in a while they are good from the start but usually it takes a year or two to settle into a major league rotation. That's why I think we'll get a veteran pitcher to go with Teheran, Folty, Dickey and one of Newcomb/Sims in 2018. They are not likely to go with two unproven guys in the rotation unless injuries and so forth force their hand later in the year.

I just don't see how Newk isn't in the rotation next year (assuming no trade or complete meltdown the remainder of the year). Sims also needs a shot. To me the interesting name is teheran. I could see teheran traded with verlander brought in. I believery both newk/Sims are in the roation next year.

[nsacpi]

I just don't see how Newk isn't in the rotation next year (assuming no trade or complete meltdown the remainder of the year). Sims also needs a shot. To me the interesting name is teheran. I could see teheran traded with verlander brought in. I believery both newk/Sims are in the roation next year.

I'd be surprised if they are both in the opening day rotation (barring injury to someone else). I wouldn't be surprised to see Nook demoted at some point this year. He's got a great arm, but has a fair amount development ahead of him before he can be a reliable major league starting pitcher. Maybe it happens quickly, but I wouldn't bet on it. That 0-2 pitch that got hammered for the home run is something that is going to stay with me for a while. Missing over the middle of the plate like that bothers me a lot more than not throwing strikes. Btw you can tell Folty has better stuff because he still misses over the plate a fair amount but the hitters have had trouble squaring up on those pitches. His fastball is showing a lot of late life the last couple months.

[The Chosen One]

I'd be surprised if they are both in the opening day rotation (barring injury to someone else). I wouldn't be surprised to see Nook demoted at some point this year. He's got a great arm, but has a fair amount development ahead of him before he can be a reliable major league starting pitcher. Maybe it happens quickly, but I wouldn't bet on it.

If Garcia gone I think the Braves thoughts on making playoffs (don't think they thought about that to be honest) is zero. So with that I could definitely see them having Sims and Newk in same rotation for remainder of year.

[nsacpi]

If Garcia gone I think the Braves thoughts on making playoffs (don't think they thought about that to be honest) is zero. So with that I could definitely see them having Sims and Newk in same rotation for remainder of year.

Well Medlen and Wisler are also out there and doing pretty well. The way the front office decides who gets the next shot doesn't always make sense to me. I have a feeling Medlen and/or Wisler will be given a look in the rotation before Sims.

[Enscheff]

Don't look now, but the Braves are once again on pace to win 78 games.

[msstate7]

Don't look now, but the Braves are once again on pace to win 78 games.

Schedule bout to ease up. Braves have been very respectable since early season struggles

[Heyward]

Don't look now, but the Braves are once again on pace to win 78 games.

Braves have the 2nd best record in the NL in the last 43 or so games.

But i wont be mad if we hit a big skid sometime, higher draft pick isnt bad.

[nsacpi]

Schedule bout to ease up. Braves have been very respectable since early season struggles

We also finish with 3 at home against the Phillies, 4 on the road against the Mets and 4 on the road against the Marlins. Something to keep in mind if we are still hanging around on the periphery of the wild card race in September.

[Enscheff]

Schedule bout to ease up. Braves have been very respectable since early season struggles

Lol clinging to any last glimmer of hope.

[GovClintonTyree]

Lol clinging to any last glimmer of hope.

You'll probably see a lot of that on a Braves message board.

[GovClintonTyree]

Well Medlen and Wisler are also out there and doing pretty well. The way the front office decides who gets the next shot doesn't always make sense to me. I have a feeling Medlen and/or Wisler will be given a look in the rotation before Sims.

Unless Wisler's glimmer has something to do with developing a changeup, we don't need to go there. Has anybody seen him at Gwinnett?

If Garcia goes, I think Medlen comes up. Sims if they send Nook out for more work. Nook could make it if he loses 1 BB/9 and a change he can throw for strikes 5x/game.

[msstate7]

Lol clinging to any last glimmer of hope.

Seems to me that you are. When they got to .500 or took first 2 from dodgers, not a peep... waited till lost a couple

[CyYoung31]

Medlen will come up and have another historic 2nd half, leading Braves to playoffs.

[The Chosen One]

Medlen will come up and have another historic 2nd half, leading Braves to playoffs.

Not possible. Fredi isn't managing. He was the key.

[bravesfanMatt]

this game day thread is AWESOME!!!

So what I got is that Newk sucks, but maybe he doesn't but he is definitely a reliever, maybe.. Also, Adams is a platoon player who started against a lefty..

Newk is having a worse rookie season over Folty because he doesn't throw as hard and walks more.. yet Folty WHiP suggests that he allows 1 more base runner per game at this point.. He doesn't strike guys out like Newk and he gives up more Home runs than Newk. interesting. I guess how hard you throw is the determining factor in success.

Newk might be a reliever.. he might completely bust. but to make any assertions at this point in his progression curve is comical. Thus far, Newk is doing better than Folty in his rookie campaign. It will be interesting to see how he progresses from here.

[Hawk]

What I got is that there is a divide between the 'Newk' and the 'Nook' people.


I personally prefer 'Nuke'.

[nsacpi]

It will be interesting to see how he progresses from here.

Awesome contribution that makes an already awesome thread even more awesome!

[nsacpi]

What I got is that there is a divide between the 'Newk' and the 'Nook' people.


I personally prefer 'Nuke'.

well we are clearly divided as a board and it seems there is no one out there who is capable of uniting us...very sad...makes me worried about the future of these boards

[Hawk]

well we are clearly divided as a board and it seems there is no one out there who is capable of uniting us...very sad...makes me worried about the future of these boards

"Please update your account to enable 3rd party hosting" looms over us all.

[bravesfanMatt]

Awesome contribution that makes an already awesome thread even more awesome!

maybe it just became the awesomest.

[Tapate50]

well we are clearly divided as a board and it seems there is no one out there who is capable of uniting us...very sad...makes me worried about the future of these boards

board? Board(s)?

[bravesfanMatt]

board? Board(s)?

Boreds

[nsacpi]

Boreds

boredom

[bravesfanMatt]

boredom

Boredumb.

[UNCBlue012]

What exactly was the typo?

Typo and mistype/mis-type are two different things. I didn't have a grammatical error, it was a simple mistaken phrase. lol

People like to argue for the hell of it, and that's all.

[Enscheff]

Seems to me that you are. When they got to .500 or took first 2 from dodgers, not a peep... waited till lost a couple

Wrong again.

I said based on their recent surge, the Braves should wait to see if they improved their playoff odds to ~10%, and if so, avoid selling.