Rule 5 mess

[TheBravos]

Noticed a chart on Twitter for the 2017 rule 5 draft. If we don't make a few trades, there will be a bunch of talented guys that will be on the rule 5 list. This is the down side of having such a deep farm. Coppy will really need to get creative after this year, to keep us from loosing talent.

[bravesfanMatt]

Noticed a chart on Twitter for the 2017 rule 5 draft. If we don't make a few trades, there will be a bunch of talented guys that will be on the rule 5 list. This is the down side of having such a deep farm. Coppy will really need to get creative after this year, to keep us from loosing talent.

Are you saying after this season, there are a lot of guys that need to be added to the 40 man.. because I don't think but 1 or 2 on our top 30 need to be added if I am remembering correctly.

[dak]

Noticed a chart on Twitter for the 2017 rule 5 draft. If we don't make a few trades, there will be a bunch of talented guys that will be on the rule 5 list. This is the down side of having such a deep farm. Coppy will really need to get creative after this year, to keep us from loosing talent.

Could you share the list you saw? This is the quick list I came up with (I'm sure some are missing): Albies, D. Peterson, Gohara, Demeritte, Sanchez, Pike

[IslandBrave]

Could you share the list you saw? This is the quick list I came up with (I'm sure some are missing): Albies, D. Peterson, Gohara, Demeritte, Sanchez, Pike

Albies will, but I don't think he has to.

What ML team is going to take Sanchez in the Rule 5 draft?

[dak]

Albies will, but I don't think he has to.

What ML team is going to take Sanchez in the Rule 5 draft?

Padres. Maybe others. I think the Padres would take 16 year olds in the Rule 5 at this point.

[clvclv]

Albies will, but I don't think he has to.

What ML team is going to take Sanchez in the Rule 5 draft?

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.

[Southcack77]

https://twitter.com/sogobravo/status/890914481257287681

[TheBravos]

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[TheBravos]

I think we are ok this year, but from this year going forward....it will be tough to protect everyone. We will likely loose some really good guys in future years.

[50PoundHead]

Could you share the list you saw? This is the quick list I came up with (I'm sure some are missing): Albies, D. Peterson, Gohara, Demeritte, Sanchez, Pike

I don't think Albies has to go on. This is only his fourth year. I think Sanchez is in the same boat. I will admit I'm not sure on how international signings are handled. Gohara, Du. Peterson, Pike, and Demeritte all have to go on or be made available in the Rule 5. Braves will likely have a few open spots due to departing FAs (Phillips, Suzuki, Motte) and a few guys that they will probably flat-out drop from the 40-man (L. Adams, J. Peterson, M. Johnson, Hursh, Burgos, perhaps Garcia and/or Cabrera). Of course, Winkler, Rivero, and Lindgren have to come back on the 40-man as well, so there will be some shuffling. It would be nice to unload a couple of guys at the deadline to free up off-season space.

Looking at the list, R-P Didder should also be on it unless it is limited to first-timers.

[Russ2dollas]

We are going to make a big trade. They are itching. We have a glut of guys.

The question is for whom? Who will we give up? Will it be super stupid, stupid or not stupid?

[nsacpi]

I don't think Albies has to go on. This is only his fourth year. I think Sanchez is in the same boat. I will admit I'm not sure on how international signings are handled. Gohara, Du. Peterson, Pike, and Demeritte all have to go on or be made available in the Rule 5. Braves will likely have a few open spots due to departing FAs (Phillips, Suzuki, Motte) and a few guys that they will probably flat-out drop from the 40-man (L. Adams, J. Peterson, M. Johnson, Hursh, Burgos, perhaps Garcia and/or Cabrera). Of course, Winkler, Rivero, and Lindgren have to come back on the 40-man as well, so there will be some shuffling. It would be nice to unload a couple of guys at the deadline to free up off-season space.

Looking at the list, R-P Didder should also be on it unless it is limited to first-timers.

I think you are correct. Gohara (signed in 2012) will have to be added. Albies and Sanchez (signed in 2013) will not.

[Super]

Albies not having to go on increases chances he isn't brought up this year, IMO. Especially if we have those guys who have to go on.

[TheBravos]

We are going to make a big trade. They are itching. We have a glut of guys.

The question is for whom? Who will we give up? Will it be super stupid, stupid or not stupid?

As long as its not our top guys, making some trades makes sense. Make the trades we need to, not the ones that are rushing the rebuild.

[TheBravos]

I think you are correct. Gohara (signed in 2012) will have to be added. Albies and Sanchez (signed in 2013) will not.

So, for everyone unhappy about the Gohora promotion...this makes since. He will have to be on the 40 man, so of course they would push him more than they normally would.

It's scary when your late 20's guys could be in some teams top 10. Rule 5 drafts are about to be a very dreaded event for us. Especially 2018 & 2019...

[mfree80]

So, for everyone unhappy about the Gohora promotion...this makes since. He will have to be on the 40 man, so of course they would push him more than they normally would.

It's scary when your late 20's guys could be in some teams top 10. Rule 5 drafts are about to be a very dreaded event for us. Especially 2018 & 2019...

Yes... Suggests that some guys, like Gohara and Demerrite will be pushed to either earn their spot, or be moved on to make room for younger guys with higher perceived upsides. Also, spare parts like Jace, Micah, Santana, etc. will be easier to let go as there will be a young guy waiting in the wings for a chance..

[dak]

Sorry for the confusion guys. As many times as I've looked up Rule 5 eligibility, I can never seem to remember all the details. It's based on number of seasons and not number of years from signing date. So for Albies and Sanchez (who signed at age 18 or younger), it's been 5 years since they signed, but they're only in their 4th season . . . so they won't need to be protected this Fall.

[nsacpi]

I don't see any sort of significant 40-man roster crunch this off-season. Where there will be some issues will be next spring training where we will have quite a few guys on the bubble who have already used up their options. But these are last man in the pen or last man on the bench type players. It will make for some interesting choices but we won't be losing anyone who is potentially a major contributor.

We may be able to use these guys to delay the start of the service clocks for Albies and Acuna. Ideally, I would like those two to start 2018 in the minors. I don't think Albies needs any more seasoning so I would bring him up relatively early in 2018. With Acuna, I think it depends on the start he gets off to. I would especially watch his strikeout rate numbers. They have not been bad in his time in AA and AAA this year, but I would like to see them come down a little.

[Southcack77]

So, for everyone unhappy about the Gohora promotion...this makes since. He will have to be on the 40 man, so of course they would push him more than they normally would.

It's scary when your late 20's guys could be in some teams top 10. Rule 5 drafts are about to be a very dreaded event for us. Especially 2018 & 2019...

It won't necessarily have to be if they start trading for major league help or trading older prospects for younger ones.

[nsacpi]

It won't necessarily have to be if they start trading for major league help or trading older prospects for younger ones.

It is unlikely that we face any significant issues with losing players in the Rule 5 draft in the next two or three years. Part of the reason I say this has to do with how fast our top prospects are moving through the minors. Guys like Albies, Acuna, Soroka, Allard and Wright are likely to be playing in the majors before there is a technical need to protect them on the 40-man roster.

[Chico]

Looking a trimming the fat for LH relievers.

Minter- He’ll be ready but won’t need a 40 man spot
Lindgren- If healthy he’d be a stud. Already on the 40 man
Kroll- Should have been traded last offseason. Non tender candidate or trade now
Freeman- out of options, could keep him but could be dealt
Tyler Pike- Probably has a better career as a reliever, and has value. Needs to be on 40 man
Michael Mader-Already moved to reliever and has value. Needs to be on 40 man
Jesse Biddle- Already moved to reliever and has value. Needs to be on 40 man
Adam Mcreery- He’s pitched well, but in Rome and Florida. Needs to be on 40 man
The odds are we’re going to add at least a couple of lefties to the pen, and we have Chase Johnsn-
I think Mader, Kroll, Freeman, McReery are all gone.
Mullins, Corbin Clouse, and maybe Thomas Burrows as fast risers to be major league ready at some point next season.

[nsacpi]

Looking a trimming the fat for LH relievers.

Minter- He’ll be ready but won’t need a 40 man spot
Lindgren- If healthy he’d be a stud. Already on the 40 man
Kroll- Should have been traded last offseason. Non tender candidate or trade now
Freeman- out of options, could keep him but could be dealt
Tyler Pike- Probably has a better career as a reliever, and has value. Needs to be on 40 man
Michael Mader-Already moved to reliever and has value. Needs to be on 40 man
Jesse Biddle- Already moved to reliever and has value. Needs to be on 40 man
Adam Mcreery- He’s pitched well, but in Rome and Florida. Needs to be on 40 man
The odds are we’re going to add at least a couple of lefties to the pen, and we have Chase Johnsn-
I think Mader, Kroll, Freeman, McReery are all gone.
Mullins, Corbin Clouse, and maybe Thomas Burrows as fast risers to be major league ready at some point next season.

I think we can risk losing guys like McCreery, Mader and Pike. They are unlikely to be selected. And even if selected unlikely to stick with the selecting team, which means they will be returned. There is a right-handed pitcher in AAA, Dave Peterson, who is in the same boat. I'd be more worried about losing him since he has a better chance of sticking and also being a useful major league player.

We really do not have an issue this off-season. I doubt very much we will lose anyone of value due to not being able to add them to the 40-man roster.