Minor League FINAL 8/3 ... Hellenger's finest outing?

[50PoundHead]

PATIENCE!!

Had to take our new rescue kitten to the vet this a.m., went straight into my show which began high school football previews. You turkeys don't butter my bread, but I get to it ASAP.

**TODAY'S GREAT NEWS***

Mark Marksberry has signed with Somerset in the Patriot(?) League. Last many of us heard, he was recovering from that scary coma that came way too close to ending his left following the 2016 season. He has, wonder be to God, fully recovered.

THURSDAY'S SCOREBOARD

CLASS AAA

Gwinnett, idle

CLASS AA

Mobile 6, Mississippi 4

LP: Allard (6-10) 6 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 2 K
Clouse 2 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 3 K

Morales 2-4, 2 2B, 3 RBI
Meneses 3-4, 3 R, 2 2B
Riley 1-4, 2B

LINK (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2017_08_03_msbaax_mobaax_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

ADVANCED CLASS A

Bradenton @ Florida (36-64), PPD.

CLASS A

Rome 6, Asheville 5 (12)

SP: Rangel 5 IP, 7 H, 4 ER, 3 BB, 3 K
Schlosser 2 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 3 K
Burrows 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K
WP: Custred (1-3) 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB< 0 K

Baez 4-6, 2B, 3 RBI (.500)
Wilson 2-4, R, RBI
Pache 4-6, SB
Hoekstra 2-5, 2 RBI
Rodgers 1-6, 2B, R

LINK (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2017_08_03_ashafx_romafx_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

SHORT-SEASON

GAME ONE
GCL Braves 6, GCL Yankees 2

SP: Julian 3 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 2 K
WP: Collmenter (1-0) 3 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K
Allison 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K

3-4, 2B, HR (6th), 2 RBI
Vasquez 1-4

LINK (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2017_08_02_brarok_yawrok_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

GAME TWO
GCL Yankees 11, GCL Braves 6

SP: Noguera 4 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 2 K
Bacon 1 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K
LP: Deal (1-2) 0.2 IP, 6 H, 6 ER, 1 BB, 2 K
Becherer 1 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 2 K
Jerez 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB,1 K

Severino 1-4, 2B, 3 RBI
Gutierrez 2-4, 2 RBI
Ramos 1-3, 2B, 2 R

LINK (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2017_08_03_yawrok_brarok_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

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Danville 6, Greeneville 3

SP: Zimmerman 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K
Belinda 2 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 0 K
WP: Hellinger (2-1) 5 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K

Bush 1-4, 2 R, HR (1st), 3 RBI
Contreras 2-3, R, 2 RBI, 2 BB
Keller 3-5, 2B, RBI
Waters 1-4, 2B, R, BB

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DSL Braves 4, DSL Red Sox 3 (10)

SP: Vasquez 4.1 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 1 K
Santos 2.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 2 K
WP: Polanco (2-2) 3 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 3 K

Negret 2-4, BB, SB

LINK (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2017_08_03_dbrrok_drsrok_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)



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rico's probably doing a high-level consult somewhere, so I thought I'd start the 8/3 minor league thread with news of a Josh Collmenter sighting in the GCL. He pitched three innings and got the win in the completion of yesterday's suspended game with one of the two Yankee GCL entries. Jeffrey Ramos continues to rake finishing 3/4 with 1 2B and 1 HR.

21-year-old Gabriel Noguera makes his stateside debut in the regularly-scheduled game. May, 2016, signee out of Venezuela who pitched in 9 games in the DSL earlier this year.

[zbhargrove]

Wonder what's going on with Zuniga? Heard so many great things about him and he's had some great stats in very limited time. But he's been shut down for a while.

[msstate7]

Has the guy we got for Garcia pitched yet?

[50PoundHead]

Ramos continues to rip with a double in his first AB. Scores on a single by Vazquez later in the inning to give the Braves a 1-0 lead after 2.

[Super]

Wonder what's going on with Zuniga? Heard so many great things about him and he's had some great stats in very limited time. But he's been shut down for a while.

Zuniga pitched 2 innings Tuesday.

[zbhargrove]

Has the guy we got for Garcia pitched yet?

Once... looked good too. 4 innings... 1 ER, 3 Hits, 2 walks, 6 K's for Danville

[zbhargrove]

Zuniga pitched 2 innings Tuesday.

Oh weird I missed that. Thanks.

[50PoundHead]

Has the guy we got for Garcia pitched yet?

Pitched last Saturday night for Danville. 4 IP, 3 H, 2 BB, 6 K, 1 ER. No decision.

[Super]

Has the guy we got for Garcia pitched yet?

Pitched 4 innings Saturday. 3 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 K

[bravesfanMatt]

hey anyone know who pitched last Saturday for Danville and what was his stat line... Thanks in advance.

[msstate7]

Thanks for the responses. I start keeping up with our players in Rome

[50PoundHead]

hey anyone know who pitched last Saturday for Danville and what was his stat line... Thanks in advance.

I think it was Ynoa.

[Tapate50]

Gohara also struck out eight, and walked just one. The Mariners gave up Gohara in order to get Drew Smyly (it's a long story), and with the left-hander excelling and Smyly unlikely to pitch again until the middle of 2018 at the earliest, there has to be at least some buyer's remorse. Gohara shows a 70-grade fastball and 60-grade slider, and the command keeps getting better. He has a chance to be a strikeout artist at the highest level.

Write up on Goharas start from rotoworld

[zbhargrove]

Relax Rico... no one ever complained.

[50PoundHead]

No problem at all rico. You are a busy guy, so I thought I would pinch-hit. I figured you would be around later to do all the linking and stuff. Hope the kitten is okay.

[SJ24]

Hopefully Maitan is back tonight.

[chipchildress]

With Albies up, Acuna and Gohara appear to be the big 2 right now in the organization to me.

[SJ24]

Hopefully Maitan is back tonight.

No Maitan. :(

[CJ9]

I really wish the Ks didn't have this significant of a drop for Allard this year.

[sturg33]

Relax Rico... no one ever complained.

seriously...

[jpx7]

When do we begin to worry about Allard?

[cajunrevenge]

I really wish the Ks didn't have this significant of a drop for Allard this year.


I think it's a good sign that he is still having success at AA despite a low k rate. I bet if he repeats AA next year his k rate would spike.

[rico43]

No problem at all rico. You are a busy guy, so I thought I would pinch-hit. I figured you would be around later to do all the linking and stuff. Hope the kitten is okay.

Getting his shots. He's cool. On the other hand, my leg, which is his favorite climbing place right now ...

[Super]

When do we begin to worry about Allard?

When he isn't holding his own as a 19-year old in AA.

[thethe]

Why would anyone worry about Allard?

Again - minor leagues are not about accumulating the best stats for pitchers. Its about tinkering with things and developing pitches.

Do we know how many of his plus plus curveballs he is throwing? Do we know if the Braves have instructed him to pitch inside more than he would in a normal situation?

Allard doesn't need to prove he can get minor league hitters out anymore. Its all about refining his game and completing 'finishing school'.

[chipchildress]

Why would anyone worry about Allard?

Again - minor leagues are not about accumulating the best stats for pitchers. Its about tinkering with things and developing pitches.

Do we know how many of his plus plus curveballs he is throwing? Do we know if the Braves have instructed him to pitch inside more than he would in a normal situation?

Allard doesn't need to prove he can get minor league hitters out anymore. Its all about refining his game and completing 'finishing school'.

keep telling yourself that. it might be true.

[chipchildress]

nice night for pache.

[Tapate50]

http://deadspin.com/here-is-a-tremendously-sad-strikeout-1797527017

[TheBravos]

Allard:
Looking at a kid coming off back surgery out of the draft. They babied him until mid season and then he performed well. So, they skipped him a level. The difference with him and Soroka, is he hadn't logged NEAR the innings as Soroka. I was fine with skipping Soroka, but Allard needed to begin in high A. This is the most innings BY far Allard has pitched. Let's not forget he's just 19. He should be fine. They should probably shut him down a little early and have him start in AA again next year. If he does well, he could still be in AAA soon enough. They really need to start staggering these prospects better anyway, so we can get a long enough look at them.

[CJ9]

Why would anyone worry about Allard?

Again - minor leagues are not about accumulating the best stats for pitchers. Its about tinkering with things and developing pitches.

Do we know how many of his plus plus curveballs he is throwing? Do we know if the Braves have instructed him to pitch inside more than he would in a normal situation?

Allard doesn't need to prove he can get minor league hitters out anymore. Its all about refining his game and completing 'finishing school'.

Have you ever had even a tiny bit of concern about one Braves prospect?

[Southcack77]

Have you ever had even a tiny bit of concern about one Braves prospect?


Probably not too often.

Still, I don't think a dip in K rate for a 19 year jetting up to AA is really all that surprising.

Maybe he's not an Ace, probably he isn't an Ace, but players do have ups and downs as competition changes. And Allard probably does need to improve his pitches and sequencing to strike out more talented players. He either has the ability to make that adjustment or he doesn't, but its not necessarily reasonable to expect him to advance with no hiccups.

the bigger picture is that he's been a bit above average at AA as a young player so that's a building block.

[smootness]

I would definitely start Allard back in AA next year. Frankly, I would probably start Soroka there again as well. My Mississippi rotation to start next year would be Soroka, Allard, Fried, Wright, and Touki. I would start Sanchez back in Florida with Anderson, Wentz, Wilson, and Rangel. I'd be prepared to move Soroka, Wright, and possibly Fried up pretty quickly. Let Allard show he is clearly comfortable and consistently performing well in AA before moving him to Gwinnett.

Then have Sanchez, Wentz, Anderson, and Wilson prepared to fill in behind them if they are pitching well in Florida.

[Tapate50]

I would imagine they have him working on refining other pitches and other nuanced activities rather than just throwing what he's good at right now.

I have no clue though.

[Super]

Allard may not be a good major league pitcher for another 3 or 4 or 5 years. If he's up any time in the next 1-1.5 years, he's going to have major struggles, as most young pitchers do. Gerrit Cole was a stud in 2015 at 24 and has struggled a bit since. Glasnow was a hyped and dominant prospect and has struggled. Luis Severino got hype, did nothing for two years in the MLB, before becoming a beast this year. These guys all have different development curves and almost all young pitchers, regardless of hype or age or minor league dominance, struggle a great deal at some points. Patience is all I can say.

[mqt]

I know it's the GCL, but Jeffrey Ramos is really starting to look like a prospect to follow at least.

[steveAKAslick]

Probably not too often.

Still, I don't think a dip in K rate for a 19 year jetting up to AA is really all that surprising.

Maybe he's not an Ace, probably he isn't an Ace, but players do have ups and downs as competition changes. And Allard probably does need to improve his pitches and sequencing to strike out more talented players. He either has the ability to make that adjustment or he doesn't, but its not necessarily reasonable to expect him to advance with no hiccups.

the bigger picture is that he's been a bit above average at AA as a young player so that's a building block.

I think the word "Ace" is thrown around too much...there's 32 #1 pitchers in MLB and maybe 10-15 true aces, it's hard to find a true ACE...the Brave's have plenty enough pitchers that you could possibly say 1 of them will end up as an ace...still tough, that's why I wasn't really on board with Gray...he's a #1 for sure but he isn't an ACE, we've got plenty of potential Sonny Grays

[jpx7]

When he isn't holding his own as a 19-year old in AA.

Guess it depends on how you define "holding [one's] own", but his low K-rate and the extent he's been hittable are, at the very least, not encouraging signs (even if likewise not overly discouraging, given his age).

I agree with others in this thread that he should repeat AA.