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steveAKAslick
08-08-2017, 09:29 AM
Fansgraph article comparing Andrus, Simmons and Camargo...great article that I wish some casuals would read and the front office, although I highly doubt they put stock in such things

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-rise-of-the-light-hitting-shortstop/
Southcack77
08-08-2017, 09:50 AM
thewupk, I'm still willing to wager on Simmons.
nsacpi
08-08-2017, 09:56 AM
Playing Camargo everyday only makes sense when considering what is happening with other players (mainly Swanson). I hope the media whispers that the FO considers Camargo to be some sort of regular going forward turn out to be untrue. Not that I'm not rooting for Camargo to continue improving and turning into another Prado-type surprise.
Chico
08-08-2017, 10:23 AM
Playing Camargo everyday only makes sense when considering what is happening with other players (mainly Swanson). I hope the media whispers that the FO considers Camargo to be some sort of regular going forward turn out to be untrue. Not that I'm not rooting for Camargo to continue improving and turning into another Prado-type surprise.

I just hope other GM's beleive it and Camargo's value increases.
Deester11
08-08-2017, 10:27 AM
I just hope other GM's beleive it and Camargo's value increases.
Our FO....is smart enough to keep Dansby and Albies as the foundation of a young middle infield. I have to believe this. In my heart, I know better.
sturg33
08-08-2017, 10:27 AM
Albies is going to be traded this off-season. No question about it.

which makes his promotion even ore perplexing... as I think he can only hurt his trade value with subpar performance (which should be expected from the 20 year old)
Deester11
08-08-2017, 10:29 AM
Albies is going to be traded this off-season. No question about it.

which makes his promotion even ore perplexing... as I think he can only hurt his trade value with subpar performance (which should be expected from the 20 year old)
See post above. The FO actions seem to indicate they are hell bent on trading Ozzie for a Frontline SP. I'll say it'll be a huge mistake.
GeorgiaGirl
08-08-2017, 10:33 AM
See post above. The FO actions seem to indicate they are hell bent on trading Ozzie for a Frontline SP. I'll say it'll be a huge mistake.

Which is why I kinda don't want to see Dansby figure it out this year in AAA. I want to see the FO's heads explode due to this, because they won't have the safety net of having him be able to produce even though they are itching to trade Albies.
sturg33
08-08-2017, 10:34 AM
See post above. The FO actions seem to indicate they are hell bent on trading Ozzie for a Frontline SP. I'll say it'll be a huge mistake.

I have so little faith in this FO being competent... hopefully they'll surprise me
nsacpi
08-08-2017, 10:41 AM
I just hope other GM's beleive it and Camargo's value increases.

I don't think Machiavelli works for our front office.
nsacpi
08-08-2017, 10:42 AM
Albies is going to be traded this off-season. No question about it.

which makes his promotion even ore perplexing... as I think he can only hurt his trade value with subpar performance (which should be expected from the 20 year old)

I think we may be reading too much into some of the stuff coming from Bowman.
Chico
08-08-2017, 10:48 AM
I don't think Machiavelli works for our front office.

I just think it's basic business practices. Business is grown men playing cgames
nsacpi
08-08-2017, 11:00 AM
I just think it's basic business practices. Business is grown men playing cgames

If they get some team to bite on Camargo this off-season I'll be mighty impressed.
zbhargrove
08-08-2017, 11:05 AM
I wouldn't put it past the Braves leaking some of this stuff to Bowman or posturing to increase Camargo's value. I certainly hope that's the case. I'm not sold on Swanson over him, but I'm definitely wanting to keep Albies over him.
steveAKAslick
08-08-2017, 12:12 PM
In a perfect world the front office knows that Camargo is Prado-like.. and are only doing this to potentially increase his trade value and get other teams on board...unfortunately I think that would be giving them too much credit and they truly believe one month isn't an anomaly and his average years in the minors is the anomaly
steveAKAslick
08-08-2017, 12:20 PM
See post above. The FO actions seem to indicate they are hell bent on trading Ozzie for a Frontline SP. I'll say it'll be a huge mistake.

And I don't get it, they just seem so damn desperate to win now instead of waiting for the slew of pitchers in the minors to come up...surely there's a frontline in that group, maybe not an ace which is rare but definitely a Sonny Gray type...patience definitely doesn't seem to be a virtue, what's so bad about waiting till 2019 when the team should be truly competing...if it's still a problem, then make a trade
thewupk
08-08-2017, 01:19 PM
thewupk, I'm still willing to wager on Simmons.

Haha. 110 wrc is fine with me
thewupk
08-08-2017, 01:24 PM
Albies is going to be traded this off-season. No question about it.

which makes his promotion even ore perplexing... as I think he can only hurt his trade value with subpar performance (which should be expected from the 20 year old)

Braves are old school. They want to showcase him at the major league level to increase his trade value. They don't realize how valuable service time is.
thewupk
08-08-2017, 01:41 PM
Also of note all 3 are braves products. It's the braves way.
steveAKAslick
08-08-2017, 04:40 PM
DOB's take on Camargo...

http://atlantabraves.blog.ajc.com/2017/08/08/braves-evaluating-how-camargo-other-infielders-fit-best/
thewupk
08-08-2017, 06:09 PM
DOB's take on Camargo...

http://atlantabraves.blog.ajc.com/2017/08/08/braves-evaluating-how-camargo-other-infielders-fit-best/

Not very surprising. Very much a part of the old guard that is running the team.