Around Baseball - 2013 Postseason GDT Edition

[The Chosen One]

Anything postseason related involving other teams... basically a GDT and news.


Note of interest, both teams playing today (Tampa-Texas) are playing with 37 man rosters (regular season September rules).

[bravesnumberone]

That was a dumb play by Jennings to start the game.

[The Chosen One]

Great play by Loney on that pick off.

[50PoundHead]

Did the announcers just compliment Escobar? But I thought . . I mean . . . isn't he . . . uh . . .

To be clear, Escobar had played out his string in Atlanta, but if anyone anywhere actually thinks Sea Bass was a better player in any way shape or form, they are totally out of their minds.

[The Chosen One]

Did the announcers just compliment Escobar? But I thought . . I mean . . . isn't he . . . uh . . .

To be clear, Escobar had played out his string in Atlanta, but if anyone anywhere actually thinks Sea Bass was a better player in any way shape or form, they are totally out of their minds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a48vt3UYWc

[50PoundHead]

I saw that highlight from earlier this season. Escobar doesn't always stay dialed in, but when he's in the moment, he's a pretty good shortstop.

[Braves1976]

Esco is still one of the best defensive shortstops in the American league. But I'll take Simmons over him and every other shortstop thank ya very much.

BTW, that was a horrible call for strike three (and the first out) on A.J. Pierzynski of Texas in the second.

[jpx7]

Note of interest, both teams playing today (Tampa-Texas) are playing with 37 man rosters (regular season September rules).

Fascinating.

[Braves1976]

Man, that Texas jet stream is crazy. Did y'all see that homer by Longoria? Mac is going to love Texas. He should hit 30 homers a year easy there.

[Gary82]

Man, that Texas jet stream is crazy. Did y'all see that homer by Longoria? Mac is going to love Texas. He should hit 30 homers a year easy there.

:Sad:

[Braves1976]

:Sad:

I will be sad to see him go too, but I rather lose him to Texas than an NL team or Yankees.

[jpx7]

Man, that Texas jet stream is crazy. Did y'all see that homer by Longoria? Mac is going to love Texas. He should hit 30 homers a year easy there.

http://i.imgur.com/3WZ30Jrs.jpg

[Braves1976]

http://i.imgur.com/3WZ30Jrs.jpg

I just hope we all enjoy watching Mac in the playoffs for as long as it lasts. I am looking at it like I did with Chipper last year where I am prepared for whatever happens this off-season. But if we find a way to keep him that would be great. I just don't think it's realistic to expect.

[50PoundHead]

Esco is still one of the best defensive shortstops in the American league. But I'll take Simmons over him and every other shortstop thank ya very much.

BTW, that was a horrible call for strike three (and the first out) on A.J. Pierzynski of Texas in the second.

I'd rather have Simmons as well, but I wish we would have gotten more for him that Alex Gonzalez.

[The Chosen One]

Ball was trapped in his glove and they called it an out. Better replay right!?!

[Braves1976]

Ball was trapped in his glove and they called it an out. Better replay right!?!

They missed it using six umps too, that's embarrassing but nothing new.

[50PoundHead]

Ball was trapped in his glove and they called it an out. Better replay right!?!

I don't even see how that can be called a trap. The ball bounced two or three inches in front of Martin.

Good point by the announcing team on post-season rosters. Why don't they just designate 30 guys who could be active for the post-season and then allow for adjustment between the series?

[Braves1976]

I don't even see how that can be called a trap. The ball bounced two or three inches in front of Martin.


Agreed.

[yeezus]

Really want the Rays to take this. I've always been partial to them.

[yeezus]

Real nice by Price there. So badly wish we could get he and Longo.

[drewdat]

Bunting a guy to third down 2 with one out in the inning. That's some real managering.

[yeezus]

Lol I think Andrus was bunting for a base-hit, prob did it one his own.

[drewdat]

Lol I think Andrus was bunting for a base-hit, prob did it one his own.

Must be the Braves farmhand shortstop play-in game curse.

[50PoundHead]

Lol I think Andrus was bunting for a base-hit, prob did it one his own.

Smart play. Good bunt. Took a very athletic play by Price to get him.

[yeezus]

I really wish we had Price or someone like him. I think Teheran has the best shot. He's a pup still. Someone who can gut out a CG like that.

[The Chosen One]

I really wish we had Price or someone like him. I think Teheran has the best shot. He's a pup still. Someone who can gut out a CG like that.

Medlen could gut out a CG like that, the problem is Fredi never gives him a chance. If Price pitched for Fredi, and he gave up that double to Kinsler in the 8th, Fredi is calling for an arm in the pen asap.

Maddon lets him go out there and finish. Granted, it's the AL so Price doesn't have to hit and Maddon doesn't have to worry about maybe double switching.

[Braves1976]

Congrats to Tampa Bay, tough loss for Texas after a nice winning streak to force the tiebreaker.

[The Chosen One]

Congrats to Tampa Bay, tough loss for Texas after a nice winning streak to force the tiebreaker.

Braves of the early 2010's.

[yeezus]

Medlen could gut out a CG like that, the problem is Fredi never gives him a chance. If Price pitched for Fredi, and he gave up that double to Kinsler in the 8th, Fredi is calling for an arm in the pen asap.

Maddon lets him go out there and finish. Granted, it's the AL so Price doesn't have to hit and Maddon doesn't have to worry about maybe double switching.

Very very true. Good point.

[Bdawg2309]

Rays are gonna get a great haul for Price this offseason

[Gary82]

When will Ron Washington be officially fired?

[yeezus]

Rays are gonna get a great haul for Price this offseason

What if they win it all with Price anchoring the rotation? Do they keep him?

[50PoundHead]

Medlen could gut out a CG like that, the problem is Fredi never gives him a chance. If Price pitched for Fredi, and he gave up that double to Kinsler in the 8th, Fredi is calling for an arm in the pen asap.

Maddon lets him go out there and finish. Granted, it's the AL so Price doesn't have to hit and Maddon doesn't have to worry about maybe double switching.

Maddon is the strangest manager in the bigs. I think he does a great job, but I was listening to a game in July or August against the Twins and the guy was managing like it was the 7th game of the World Series (and Tampa Bay was winning big) doing the lefty-lefty/righty-righty thing.

Big thing here is Price is an absolute horse.

[Bdawg2309]

rangers had great numbers vs Saunders last year and Price this year... goes to show you can throw out any numbers once the playoffs start

[NinersSBChamps]

Would Garza on three days rest have been a better option for Texas tonight?

[The Chosen One]

Would Garza on three days rest have been a better option for Texas tonight?
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/778180/walkoffwash.gif

[The Chosen One]

last time there was a government shutdown, the braves won the WS

Preach

[stpeteirish]

Real nice by Price there. So badly wish we could get he and Longo.

They locked up Longoria but can't afford Price, he's got one year left on his contract. They'll trade him for a young, controllable bat (see Will Myers for Shields) if they can. Otherwise, big $$$.

Don't count on getting him either way.

[stpeteirish]

Maddon is the strangest manager in the bigs. I think he does a great job, but I was listening to a game in July or August against the Twins and the guy was managing like it was the 7th game of the World Series (and Tampa Bay was winning big) doing the lefty-lefty/righty-righty thing.

Big thing here is Price is an absolute horse.

Yeah he lets Price go but has been pulling other starters in innings 2-4 and using 8 RP's a game thanks to the expanded rosters. I'd love to see a GDT with him managing the Braves. I'd be crazy.

Also those 4 hour games would get really old.

[cajunrevenge]

Rooting hard for the Pirates tonight. Bryce Harper wasnt even alive the last time they made the playoffs. Would love to face them in the NLCS again.

[The Chosen One]

Not gonna lie. Don't think I've ever seen PNC Park this packed before, especially with this energy.

All-Star game was packed but it was boring.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Liriano looking very sharp early

[The Chosen One]

Always liked like Liriano. Almost the same mechanics as Johan Santana.

[CrimsonCowboy]

PNC Park is more than alive now

[The Chosen One]

WOW.

PNC Park fans have really really gotten into Cueto's head now.

[tululush]

Not really sure who to root for. I guess whoever matches up better with the Cards and would give them a tougher time. Who would that be?

[NYCBrave]

WOW.

PNC Park fans have really really gotten into Cueto's head now.

This crowd is one of the best and most alive I've seen in awhile. All the way from all getting together and wearing black, to making tons of noise even on strikes, to chanting "Cueto" to intimidate the pitcher. I love it.

[tululush]

Wish the Braves would have a RED out on Thursday and Friday. Would def be an awesome sight. Sea of red and red tomohawks. Wow. Can you imagine? I wish someone would get the word out.


This crowd is one of the best and most alive I've seen in awhile. All the way from all getting together and wearing black, to making tons of noise even on strikes, to chanting "Cueto" to intimidate the pitcher. I love it.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Game about to get away from the Reds perhaps

[The Chosen One]

Joe Morgan is not pleased.

[Heyward]

Not really sure who to root for. I guess whoever matches up better with the Cards and would give them a tougher time. Who would that be?

With Latos' problems, health wise, I may think the Pirates.

Additions of Morneau and Byrd make their lineup much, much deeper.

[The Chosen One]

Morneau hasn't hit a homerun in 25 games with Pittsburgh.

[Runnin]

Hopefully the Pirates can keep this magic going for St. Louis.

[Runnin]

No Pirate has struck out yet. Must be nice.

[CyYoung31]

Postseason.tv is a piece of ****.

[The Chosen One]

Postseason.tv is a piece of ****.

As are you.

[drewdat]

I guess Russell Martin is your NLWCPIG MVP.

[CyYoung31]

As are you.

When are we going to get a real site owner?

[bravesnumberone]

Love the excitement in Pittsburgh.

[Bdawg2309]

meh... not much of an exciting game.. except for like the first 2 innings.

[CyYoung31]

SAV, why don't you use your trust fund to fly me to Atlanta for the NLDS?

[The Chosen One]

When are we going to get a real site owner?
:Sad:

[The Chosen One]

SAV, why don't you use your trust fund to fly me to Atlanta for the NLDS?

Not enough in the funds to cover you and I, and when push comes to shove.... Patio and Jerry get priority over both.

:cooter:

[50PoundHead]

Morneau hasn't hit a homerun in 25 games with Pittsburgh.

Morneau is a ghost, across his entire being with his pasty complexion, blah personality, and diminishing baseball skills. He wanted to stay in Minnesota so desperately and I somehow wouldn't be surprised if the Twins were dumb enough to bring him back next season (as has been hinted).

Love the energy in Pittsburgh (go Michael Keaton). I think the Pirates can give the Cards a battle.

When it comes to the Reds, somehow I go into negative cheer mode and hope that Dusty Baker loses. That's odd, because I like a lot of the Reds' players.

[bravesnumberone]

Hoping tonight is at least an exciting game all the way through.

[bravesnumberone]

Salazar bringing it in the first.

[bravesnumberone]

Good job by the umpires on that one.

[Braves1976]

This Salazar kid is hitting 98 mph with almost every fastball but a few so far. He's also hit 100 mph a few times too.

[bravesnumberone]

Yeah you can't just throw fast balls to Delmon Young.

[Braves1976]

Delmon Young was a good pick-up by Tampa Bay. He's a good DH for playoffs, has hit well for Tigers in the recent past too. He's terrible in the field though.

[Julio3000]

Not enough in the funds to cover you and I, and when push comes to shove.... Patio and Jerry get priority over both.

:cooter:

What about all of teh ad revenue? The subscription fees?

Let me guess . . .

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff511/poinsett/chipAKpants2_zps56fb5b3f.jpg

[Braves1976]

Tampa Bay looking good again so far, 3-0 in the 4th.

[Julio3000]

Joe Simpson loves: hands inside the baseball.

[bravesnumberone]

Big blow there for Cleveland not scoring.

[Braves1976]

Big blow there for Cleveland not scoring.

Yea, nice turn of the DP by Tampa Bay too.

[thethe]

Bourn is horrible. He will be even more useless than BJ in two years.

[Braves1976]

Tampa Bay gets out of it again, Cobb bending but not giving up the big hit so far.

[cajunrevenge]

Thats quite the statement about Bourn.

[bravesnumberone]

It's not over, but it's impressive what the Rays are on the verge of doing.

[50PoundHead]

Thats quite the statement about Bourn.

What was said? I'm following on-line.

[CyYoung31]

What was said? I'm following on-line.

I think he was referring to thethe's comment.

[bravesnumberone]

Someone threw a drink at Dejesus

[bravesnumberone]

That should just about do it.

[Bdawg2309]

home field disadvantage in the AL so far

[Braves1976]

Bad error really hurt Cleveland, then RBI base hit by Esco makes it 4-0.

[bravesnumberone]

This will make the road team 3-1 since the institution of the WC game.

[Bj1133]

This will make the road team 3-1 since the institution of the WC game.

Proving what many of us already know - anything can happen in 1 game, the best team does not always win

[bravesnumberone]

Yep. Still don't agree with the one-game playoff. I haven't felt any "added drama" than I would usually with four teams.

[Braves1976]

The Indians should've known what was coming. The Wild Card game isn't for teams with native Indian names (first the Braves now the Indians).

[CrimsonCowboy]

Tampa Bay is a well run organization. If they can get their stadium situation worked out, that franchise could really take off.

[ESP47]

The Indians should've known what was coming. The Wild Card game isn't for teams with native Indian names (first the Braves now the Indians).

Don't forget the Reds (color of their skin).

[Bdawg2309]

all 3 elimination games were garbage.. the only excitement in the Pittsburgh game was the crowd noise the first 2 innings.. other than that.. it was lame...

can't wait for tomorrow.. finally a meaningful braves game. & vs a good team

[bravesnumberone]

Nothing is more offensive to baseball than "Rays of Sunshine." Are you kidding me?

[NYCBrave]

Tampa Bay is a well run organization. If they can get their stadium situation worked out, that franchise could really take off.

Do you think the stadium situation would bring fan support? I really don't know the reason why, but their attendance is horrid.

[PawPawMaxwell]

Do you think the stadium situation would bring fan support? I really don't know the reason why, but their attendance is horrid.

Location.

[Orphan Black]

Nice article about the Braves (http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/10/3/4797560/braves-playoffs-nlds)

[NYCBrave]

Nice article about the Braves (http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/10/3/4797560/braves-playoffs-nlds)

Thanks for sharing. It is pretty surprising that with all that has gone wrong how well we've done this year

[bravesnumberone]

In one word, grit.

[Heyward]

Boston vs Tampa is gonna be awesome, can't wait.

Even with the two games in three days, they have Moore and Price going in the first two games.

[jpx7]

Walking Adam Wainwright was not a very good way to open the inning.

[jpx7]

... And AJ Burnett has quickly become entirely disinterested in recording outs.

[The Chosen One]

Sometimes I wish our hitters collectively could recognize when a pitcher just doesn't have it that day and is all over and instead of bailing him out by swinging at trash, they let the pitcher self destruct with walks to kill his confidence.

Cardinals are putting on a clinic right now.

[JusticeForAll23]

I almost can't stomach watching the Cardinals. I live in northwest Arkansas, and like to have Twitter open when watching sports because I've got a group of 7-10 friends that usually end up watching the same games/events and we get into different discussions. But four of them are Cardinals fans (as are the majority of the people that live in this part of Arkansas) and they are your typical arrogant, douchey Cardinals fan when their team is winning.

And I had no hope in the Pirates in this series. Not saying it's done, yet, but the Cardinals are just the better team. Still kind of pissed we let HFA slip away, because I think there's a semi-distinct gap between the Pirates and the other 3 NL playoff teams. Oh, and it also seems like the Cardinals never lose in the LDS. I know they did 3 or 4 years ago to the Dodgers, but it just seems/feels like they always at least get to the NLCS.

[JusticeForAll23]

Thanks for sharing. It is pretty surprising that with all that has gone wrong how well we've done this year
And I feel anytime anyone mentions Heyward not being healthy in 2013, it should always and forever come with a disclaimer. I mean the poor guy couldn't catch a break. First appendicitis and appendectomy, and then he gets smashed in the face by a pitch, breaking his jaw. It's like the baseball gods decided to make a Jason Heyward voodoo doll this year and toy with him.

Or, maybe the baseball gods just made an Atlanta Braves voodoo doll given all the semi-serious and serious injuries to key players we had to suffer through this year.

[jpx7]

Yea, I don't think I can stomach it now that this travesty's gone down. I've been following at work, hoping the Pirates would grab the lead and thus it'd be a palatable pre-game choice of entertainment.

[cajunrevenge]

Well so much for game 1 for the pirates.

[jpx7]

**** the Cardinals.

[bravesnumberone]

I bet the Reds are pissed about right now. Way to stink it up, Burnett.

[buck7580]

Someone somewhere said that Wainwright might be a pretty good pitcher.

[bravesnumberone]

Don't know why I feel this way, but I have an urge to punch Molina in the face.

[Mrs. Meta]

Someone somewhere said that Wainwright might be a pretty good pitcher.

JD drew tradelol!

[Runnin]

Beltran has killed us in the post season too.

[bravesnumberone]

LETS GO PIRATES

[gilesfan]

Couple notes that caught my eye.

Cards not starting Miller? He's their 2nd best pitcher. Instead you go Lynn, Kelly, Wacha......WTF?

Dusty running out Bruce and Choo vs. Liriano, who dominates lefties and neither of those guys can hit them.

[bravesnumberone]

3-0 Pirates.

[tululush]

Well at least they came out to play. Rebounded nicely after last night's debacle. Let's see if we can do the same. I hope to see some brown stainage on Greinke's backside after we rattle him.

[cajunrevenge]

A-Rod suing MLB and Bud Selig over his suspension. I have to wonder if he would be trying this if not witnessing the success of the Saints players suing Goodell over Goodellgate. The fact that MLB is enthusiastic about releasing the evidence where as Goodell refused to do so makes me think MLB has a pretty open and shut case against him.

[bravesnumberone]

7-1 Pirates in the 8th.

1-0 Rays in the 2nd.

[ProbationDeac]

Glad to see the Pirates rebound. Hope to see us do the same in a couple of hours.

[Heyward]

Couple notes that caught my eye.

Cards not starting Miller? He's their 2nd best pitcher. Instead you go Lynn, Kelly, Wacha......WTF?

Dusty running out Bruce and Choo vs. Liriano, who dominates lefties and neither of those guys can hit them.

I said the same, a little strange unless Miller reached his innings cap.

Not sure it matters today since they scored one run.

[bravesnumberone]

Tremendous outing from Cole today. Exactly what the Braves need from Minor.

[Runnin]

Tigers up 3-0 in the 1st.
http://images.sportsnetwork.com/mlb/attheballpark/players/19344.jpg

[The Chosen One]

Tigers up 3-0 in the 1st.
http://images.sportsnetwork.com/mlb/attheballpark/players/19344.jpg

Are you asking to get banned posting that picture?

[Carp]

Couple notes that caught my eye.

Cards not starting Miller? He's their 2nd best pitcher. Instead you go Lynn, Kelly, Wacha......WTF?

Dusty running out Bruce and Choo vs. Liriano, who dominates lefties and neither of those guys can hit them.

Miller was pretty terrible in Sept. But yeah, going with Lynn over Miller is completely stupid.

Then again, we are going with Garcia over Wood aparently, soo...

[thewupk]

Miller was pretty terrible in Sept. But yeah, going with Lynn over Miller is completely stupid.

Then again, we are going with Garcia over Wood aparently, soo...

I wouldn't include gilesfan in that 'we'.

[The Chosen One]

Let's get a win here Tampa.

[bravesnumberone]

Game 4 of our series is Monday at 9:37 p.m. Good ole West coast.

[nsacpi]

Game 4 of our series is Monday at 9:37 p.m. Good ole West coast.

I have a feeling it will be the longest game of the series.

[Garmel]

I have a feeling it will be the longest game of the series.

I hate that they have longer commercial times for the national broadcasts. It makes long games last even longer.

[Bdawg2309]

**** the red sox

[buck7580]

David Ross has got a skunk beard and doubled off David Price.

[cajunrevenge]

If only we had an ace like Price.

[sentenza]

Matt Harvey will have Tommy John surgery! Out for 2014!
His elbow didn't make it to his first full season!
A horrible injury!

[bravesnumberone]

I'd take Price in a damn heartbeat.

[Dalyn]

A's!

:eusa_dance:

[Dalyn]

Sonny Gray looks awesome.

[zitothebrave]

All the cards are set up for the Braves to torture ESPN, by beating the Dodgers, Cards, and Sox. Would be amazing watching the mass insanity.

[gtcway]

All the cards are set up for the Braves to torture ESPN, by beating the Dodgers, Cards, and Sox. Would be amazing watching the mass insanity.

Sure would be sweet :)

[The Chosen One]

LMAO Bucknor strikes again.

[bravesnumberone]

LMAO Bucknor strikes again.

What did that little degenerate **** do now?

[Dalyn]

Gray! What a performance.

[cajunrevenge]

Was looking at bad contracts to unload BJ and Uggla and I came up with an intriguing option. BJ and Uggla for Josh Hamilton. I recall rumors that the Braves were intrigued by the idea of signing him when he was a FA although they couldnt afford him. He's owed more money than BJ and Uggla combined over the next 4 years because of a heavily back loaded contract. Hamilton is owed 107.6 million over the next 4 years. BJ is owed 62.2 million over the next 4 years and Uggla is owed 26.4 million over the next 2 years. The Angels would save 20 million over the last 2 years of BJ/Hamilton's contract. The Braves take on the extra salary since Hamilton is a better bet to be a productive major league player over the next 4 years. Maybe he thrives in a low pressure environment. He is certainly more capable of being a big middle of the order bat than BJ or Uggla will ever be. Would be like releasing Uggla/BJ and signing Hamilton for 4 years 20 million.

[Bj1133]

Was looking at bad contracts to unload BJ and Uggla and I came up with an intriguing option. BJ and Uggla for Josh Hamilton. I recall rumors that the Braves were intrigued by the idea of signing him when he was a FA although they couldnt afford him. He's owed more money than BJ and Uggla combined over the next 4 years because of a heavily back loaded contract. Hamilton is owed 107.6 million over the next 4 years. BJ is owed 62.2 million over the next 4 years and Uggla is owed 26.4 million over the next 2 years. The Angels would save 20 million over the last 2 years of BJ/Hamilton's contract. The Braves take on the extra salary since Hamilton is a better bet to be a productive major league player over the next 4 years. Maybe he thrives in a low pressure environment. He is certainly more capable of being a big middle of the order bat than BJ or Uggla will ever be. Would be like releasing Uggla/BJ and signing Hamilton for 4 years 20 million.

Not a terrible idea, but that means Heyward gets moved to CF full-time and I'm not a fan of that idea

[Runnin]

Was looking at bad contracts to unload BJ and Uggla and I came up with an intriguing option. BJ and Uggla for Josh Hamilton.
Another HR/swing and miss guy. Don't we already have plenty of those?

[cajunrevenge]

Well its trading two completely useless all or nothing hitters for a slightly useless all or nothing hitter with more upside.

[holden]

This game can only end one way: on a blown call by CB Bucknor.

[Dalyn]

What a fantastic game. A ****ing classic.

[Gary82]

‏@DAVIDprice14
Dirk Hayhurst...COULDNT hack it...Tom Verducci wasn't even a water boy in high school...but yet they can still bash a player...SAVE IT NERDS

Classy, David. Stop acting like a ****ing baby and try and be a little bit more professional.

[Gary82]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZVdR19E5mU


NERDS!!!!!

[The Chosen One]

‏@DAVIDprice14
Dirk Hayhurst...COULDNT hack it...Tom Verducci wasn't even a water boy in high school...but yet they can still bash a player...SAVE IT NERDS

Classy, David. Stop acting like a ****ing baby and try and be a little bit more professional.

I don't mind Verducci but Dirk is very very very very very annoying.

[zitothebrave]

‏@DAVIDprice14
Dirk Hayhurst...COULDNT hack it...Tom Verducci wasn't even a water boy in high school...but yet they can still bash a player...SAVE IT NERDS

Classy, David. Stop acting like a ****ing baby and try and be a little bit more professional.

One problem with Twitter and the internet is it sets up celebrities with direct access to information that would have been hidden from them in the past during times like this.

[zitothebrave]

Not a terrible idea, but that means Heyward gets moved to CF full-time and I'm not a fan of that idea

Yup.. Only way I''d consider it was if there was like a Justin for a stud CF trade or something.

[The Chosen One]

One problem with Twitter and the internet is it sets up celebrities with direct access to information that would have been hidden from them in the past during times like this.

You mean the good old days like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hplZ6-5l6MA

Could you imagine if there was twitter back then.

@Dibbs49
People here need to talk to people like grown men.

@SweetLouP
Some here need to man up.

@EricDavis
****'s goin' DOWN right now. Cray Cray.

[Braves1976]

Not a terrible idea, but that means Heyward gets moved to CF full-time and I'm not a fan of that idea

I am okay with it for next season, but I wouldn't want him there long term. If we made a trade like that (unlikely the Angels give up on Hamilton so soon IMO), then Justin Upton would likely be let go after his contract runs out (or traded before hand). He'd also probably be less apt to re-sign here anyway if we trade his brother.

[Braves1976]

Yup.. Only way I''d consider it was if there was like a Justin for a stud CF trade or something.

If one Upton is traded, then you'd have to figure the other would be too. Though I could see it being a year apart if BJ Upton is somehow the first Upton to go. Personally, I expect both Upton's will be here next year. But I do see Wren trying hard to move Uggla.

[The Chosen One]

If Wren moves Uggla we're looking at at least eating up half of his remaining salary.

[zitothebrave]

If Wren moves Uggla we're looking at at least eating up half of his remaining salary.

Or taking on a similarly bad contract.

I think Uggla to the AL has some potential.

Some ideas

Uggla for Beckett - Net savings for the Braves of about 9M Dodgers get a much safer bet as Beckett has been hurt all the damned time.

Then of course there's the potential of just pawning him off on a team. Say Detroit loses Infante in FA, then Uggla and some cash for nothing could work but Detroit wouldn't take back too much cash.

[Braves1976]

Or taking on a similarly bad contract.


Right, that's what I had mentioned in previous discussions too. Plus some combination could work as well.

[The Chosen One]

Prado would be a similarly bad contract. :icwudt:

[Braves1976]

Prado would be a similarly bad contract. :icwudt:

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[PawPawMaxwell]

Or taking on a similarly bad contract.

I think Uggla to the AL has some potential.

Some ideas

Uggla for Beckett - Net savings for the Braves of about 9M Dodgers get a much safer bet as Beckett has been hurt all the damned time.

Then of course there's the potential of just pawning him off on a team. Say Detroit loses Infante in FA, then Uggla and some cash for nothing could work but Detroit wouldn't take back too much cash.
I assume you mean Josh Beckett. Then who plays 2nd for us. Please dont say LaStella. No one seems to value him other than forum posters.

[Braves1976]

I assume you mean Josh Beckett. Then who plays 2nd for us. Please dont say LaStella. No one seems to value him other than forum posters.

There are plenty of possible second base options for us, including Pastornicky (though maybe only in a platoon role). Pena should be back too, so maybe he plays some second along with Pastornicky. Infante is a free agent and the Angels are looking to trade their second basemen, etc.

[Heyward]

If Wren moves Uggla we're looking at at least eating up half of his remaining salary.

At least.

I would guess at least 18-20 of the remaining money.

[Braves1976]

I'd try packaging Uggla in a trade for Howie Kendrick since the Angels want to move him. They are interested in pitching and we have pitching we could use in a trade.

[PawPawMaxwell]

There are plenty of possible second base options for us, including Pastornicky (though maybe only in a platoon role). Pena should be back too, so maybe he plays some second along with Pastornicky. Infante is a free agent and the Angels are looking to trade their second basemen, etc.
Pastornicky is not a starting player in MLB. Pena caught a slightly larger bolt of lightening than EJohnson. Infante is a good player, does not fill a true need for us in that he cannot leadoff. kendricks would be a good pick up but then which of the young pitchers are you willing to give up for him.

Ideally Profar or Scooter Gennett fill the bill for me. Im sure that there are others.

[Braves1976]

I certainly disagree about Infante, he might not be who we want leading off. But he can play multiple positions, similar to Prado. So he would be a good pick-up if the cost were not bad. However, I'm afraid he'll cost more than he's worth. As far as trading for Kendrick, it depends on if they'll take Uggla in the deal and how much cash since I'd expect they'd want some of the difference paid too.

[nsacpi]

Pastornicky is not a starting player in MLB. Pena caught a slightly larger bolt of lightening than EJohnson. Infante is a good player, does not fill a true need for us in that he cannot leadoff. kendricks would be a good pick up but then which of the young pitchers are you willing to give up for him.

Ideally Profar or Scooter Gennett fill the bill for me. Im sure that there are others.

We are not necessarily looking for a leadoff hitter. Heyward can fill that role for another year.

We are also not necessarily looking for a "starting player in MLB," whatever that his. The main objective is to improve at second. It is not that tall an order. This team won 96 games. It can afford to have modest goals when looking to upgrade second. My personal preference is to have a competition in spring training between the internal options. If no one fills the bill, make a mid-season trade.

[Runnin]

Infante is a good player, does not fill a true need for us in that he cannot leadoff.
We don't need a 2B? Jason Heyward is our leadoff hitter it would appear.

[Braves1976]

We are not necessarily looking for a leadoff hitter. Heyward can fill that role for another year.

We are also not necessarily looking for a "starting player in MLB," whatever that his. The main objective is to improve at second. It is not that tall an order. This team won 96 games. It can afford to have modest goals when looking to upgrade second. My personal preference is to have a competition in spring training between the internal options. If no one fills the bill, make a mid-season trade.

I basically agree with you, but I'd still consider a trade with the Angels if they'll consider Uggla along with pitching in the package for Kendrick.

[PawPawMaxwell]

We don't need a 2B? Jason Heyward is our leadoff hitter it would appear.

Dont you think that that is a waste of Heywards talents all things considered?

[PawPawMaxwell]

I basically agree with you, but I'd still consider a trade with the Angels if they'll consider Uggla along with pitching in the package for Kendrick.
You really think tha the Angels will take on ANOTHER bad contract. Their stated goals this winter is to get young, affordable pitching.

[jpx7]

Dont you think that that is a waste of Heywards talents all things considered?

Not at all. With Heyward at leadoff, one of the Braves' best hitters is receiving the highest proportion of team PAs, and it moreover prevents Fredi from slotting seemingly more conventional "leadoff-type hitters," who are actually demonstrably worse offensive producers, at the top of the lineup.

[nsacpi]

I basically agree with you, but I'd still consider a trade with the Angels if they'll consider Uggla along with pitching in the package for Kendrick.

The Angels front office is not particularly astute and we might be able to take advantage of them. But to make that a fair trade, we'd have to include a pretty good prospect. Someone like Bethancourt, Peraza or Cabrera.

[zitothebrave]

We are not necessarily looking for a leadoff hitter. Heyward can fill that role for another year.

We are also not necessarily looking for a "starting player in MLB," whatever that his. The main objective is to improve at second. It is not that tall an order. This team won 96 games. It can afford to have modest goals when looking to upgrade second. My personal preference is to have a competition in spring training between the internal options. If no one fills the bill, make a mid-season trade.

Heyward can fill that role for as long as he's a Brave.

Personally we should give La Stella a chance. I know some say the Braves don't think he can hack it at second but I don't believe that. If they didn't think he coudl hack it there they'd have moved him or would be talking about moving him or something. I think people are reading too much into him not getting a callup in September. when I think roster considerations and playing time were the biggest considerations. You saw Bethancourt barely get used same would have happened with La Stella. he'll get a crack at impressing in ST.

[nsacpi]

Come spring training, it might be a free-for-all involving Pena, La Stella, Pastornicky, Elliot Johnson. And just maybe Dan Uggla.

The details don't matter as much as the club adopting the mindset that it is a truly open competition.

[Braves1976]

The Angels front office is not particularly astute and we might be able to take advantage of them. But to make that a fair trade, we'd have to include a pretty good prospect. Someone like Bethancourt, Peraza or Cabrera.

They seem to be interested in pitching more than position players. So I doubt Bethancourt or Peraza would be needed. However, I'd expect they'd welcome such solid prospects in any deal (same as anyone else).

[Braves1976]

You really think tha the Angels will take on ANOTHER bad contract. Their stated goals this winter is to get young, affordable pitching.

They might in a package that includes young, affordable pitching. They want to trade Kendrick who makes 9 million or so a year. So depending on the cash involved a deal including Uggla along with pitching might be possible.

[zitothebrave]

They seem to be interested in pitching more than position players. So I doubt Bethancourt or Peraza would be needed. However, I'd expect they'd welcome such solid prospects in any deal (same as anyone else).

Yeah, now an interesting and certainly unpopular idea is (follow me here) Uggla and Medlen for Kaleb Cowart, Maronde, Randal Grichuk, and Taylor Lindsay. ALl 4 are intriguing prospects and losing Medlen would sting massively but this deal would free up about 20 million in salary considerations which lets me do the next 3 moves and gives us much more important Minor league depth. Cowart is a future 3B contender, struggled in 2013, but a switch hitter who handles third well gives us a long term prospect for 3B. Maronde is a live arm. Grichuk is OF depth, just incase Heyward or Justin leave. Lindsey is really interesting, would basically be competition for La Stella, etc.

Keep Mac Gattis moved to super sub/masher off the bench and can be bait if we need to make a move

Keep Hudson

Sign Halladay/JJ as a pray for the best type could work out or not. Just a 1 year incentive laden deal.

So the 2014 Braves would be

RF - Jason
LF - Justin
1b - Freddie
C - Mac
3B - CJ
SS - Simmons
CF - Bossman
2B - La Stella/Lindey/Pastor, etc.

Rotation

Minor
Julio
Hudson
JJ/Halladay
Wood

Pen - same as this year, keep one of EOF or Venters to replace downs.

[Braves1976]

Yeah, now an interesting and certainly unpopular idea is (follow me here) Uggla and Medlen for Kaleb Cowart, Maronde, Randal Grichuk, and Taylor Lindsay.

I'd do that deal. However, do you really think the Angels would give us that much in return with Uggla included in the deal?

[zitothebrave]

Well they're getting Medlen, a cheap starter who is better than any pitcher on the market. Maybe we'd hav eto pull one of them who isn't Cowart or Lindsey off there. But I think Medlen is worth Uggla's salary and 4 very good not elite prospects.

[nsacpi]

They might in a package that includes young, affordable pitching. They want to trade Kendrick who makes 9 million or so a year. So depending on the cash involved a deal including Uggla along with pitching might be possible.

Do you give up Cabrera as part of that deal?

[Braves1976]

Well they're getting Medlen, a cheap starter who is better than any pitcher on the market. Maybe we'd hav eto pull one of them who isn't Cowart or Lindsey off there. But I think Medlen is worth Uggla's salary and 4 very good not elite prospects.

Well, I like the idea of selling high on Medlen given our young arms coming up, etc. But after his great Sept. I expect that is less likely to happen this off-season.

[Braves1976]

Do you give up Cabrera as part of that deal?

Depending on the cash involved I would, yes.

[PawPawMaxwell]

Yeah, now an interesting and certainly unpopular idea is (follow me here) Uggla and Medlen for Kaleb Cowart, Maronde, Randal Grichuk, and Taylor Lindsay. ALl 4 are intriguing prospects and losing Medlen would sting massively but this deal would free up about 20 million in salary considerations which lets me do the next 3 moves and gives us much more important Minor league depth. Cowart is a future 3B contender, struggled in 2013, but a switch hitter who handles third well gives us a long term prospect for 3B. Maronde is a live arm. Grichuk is OF depth, just incase Heyward or Justin leave. Lindsey is really interesting, would basically be competition for La Stella, etc.

Keep Mac Gattis moved to super sub/masher off the bench and can be bait if we need to make a move

Keep Hudson

Sign Halladay/JJ as a pray for the best type could work out or not. Just a 1 year incentive laden deal.

So the 2014 Braves would be

RF - Jason
LF - Justin
1b - Freddie
C - Mac
3B - CJ
SS - Simmons
CF - Bossman
2B - La Stella/Lindey/Pastor, etc.

Rotation

Minor
Julio
Hudson
JJ/Halladay
Wood

Pen - same as this year, keep one of EOF or Venters to replace downs.
How you been Murph. havent seen you in a while.

[Braves1976]

How you been Murph. havent seen you in a while.

Hehe. The real Murph has moved on to trading managers.

[cajunrevenge]

Mattingly said Nolasco gets game 4 start regardless of whether they win or lose game 3. I think thats the right move by the Dodgers. That puts the pressure on the Braves to win games 3 and 4.

[Julio3000]

Mattingly said Nolasco gets game 4 start regardless of whether they win or lose game 3. I think thats the right move by the Dodgers. That puts the pressure on the Braves to win games 3 and 4.

He'll take heat if they lose, but I think it's the right call. Kershaw is coming off a long outing and has never pitched on 3 days' rest.

[cajunrevenge]

The only reason I would consider it is because you can still throw Greinke for game 5 on normal rest. Even if Kershaw went in game 4 he is probably 5 innings and done and their pen could get exposed.

[Julio3000]

The only reason I would consider it is because you can still throw Greinke for game 5 on normal rest. Even if Kershaw went in game 4 he is probably 5 innings and done and their pen could get exposed.

Yeah, it might depend on what their 'pen usage is like in games 3-4.

[cajunrevenge]

wrong thread.

[nsacpi]

Weird move by Hurdle pinch hitting for his shortstop with a lead. And also going righty righty when he has a good lefty bat on the bench. Makes me appreciate Fredi a little more.

[NinersSBChamps]

Beltran loves the playoffs. Tied at heading to the bottom of the 8th.

[NinersSBChamps]

Pirates take a 5-3 lead now.

[The Chosen One]

Don't know how the Pirates are doing it, but they are.

[thethe]

Don't know how the Pirates are doing it, but they are.

If they win tomorrow they can start Cole game one of the NLCS. Awesome story.

[The Chosen One]

Good for the Buckos.

[NinersSBChamps]

The Pirates being relevant again is great for baseball.

[thethe]

Great for that city. Hope we get a chance to end their postseason run again!

[cajunrevenge]

lol love the sign "We believe youll win the world series but if not we still love you"

[The Chosen One]

Who goes for Pittsburgh tomorrow, Locke or Halladay?

[The Chosen One]

lol love the sign "We believe youll win the world series but if not we still love you"

The anti-Niners

[NinersSBChamps]

Who goes for Pittsburgh tomorrow, Locke or Halladay?

Chuck Morton.

[tiger2vette2]

Pirates almost got screwed. First two runs for St. Louis came when the inning should have been over already. But they kept fighting and won. Great job by the Buccos. Hope they finish out the Cards tomorrow so we get to host Game 1.

[Dalyn]

At least Oakland is playing well. Love to see that.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Uh, what brought that on in Detroit?

[Dalyn]

Uh, what brought that on in Detroit?

Grant talks to himself to amp up. Victor decided to tell him to shut the **** up.

[Dalyn]

Warnings issued? That's just silly.

[CrimsonCowboy]

MLB Network caught a lot of the expletives on their mics.

[Dalyn]

MLB Network caught a lot of the expletives on their mics.

The announcers trying to blame Grant completely. That's just ridiculous. It is sick how these guys play favorites based on who brings in the best ratings.

[Dalyn]

Nice win for Oakland. Hope they win it all if the Braves don't.

[Dalyn]

Wacha...

[JusticeForAll23]

I know he had about 3x as many innings on his arm going into the playoffs, but it's still a little bit frustrating to see other teams rookie (Wacha and Gray) pitch lights out in their first postseason start while our rookie got lit up.

[Dalyn]

I know he had about 3x as many innings on his arm going into the playoffs, but it's still a little bit frustrating to see other teams rookie (Wacha and Gray) pitch lights out in their first postseason start while our rookie got lit up.

:Sad: It was so obvious this was going to happen.

[bravesnumberone]

Damn Cardinals. Must be freaking nice to have a young pitcher step up.

[nsacpi]

Damn Cardinals. Must be freaking nice to have a young pitcher step up.

I would settle for an old pitcher stepping up.

[Bj1133]

Pirates going with Cole over Burnett for Game 5 - wise move

[Bdawg2309]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBQanPT-Oj4

[bravesnumberone]

"I don't know who said something first."

[bravesnumberone]

Longoria! That's what the Braves need tonight. Bombs when our backs are against the wall.

[Five]

Longo is clutch......

[bravesnumberone]

Here is a perfect example of what I was just talking with thethe about in the NFL thread. This Red Sox-Rays game should not be running on 3.5 hours in the 7th inning of a 3-3 game, but commercials...

[yeezus]

The Dodgers were getting cocky last night. We can definitely call them on it and take this one.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Rays stay alive

[Lville21]

The Dodgers were getting cocky last night. We can definitely call them on it and take this one.


Those LA fans doing the chant with the tomahawk chop? Yep... Very cocky.

[holden]

oops

[The Chosen One]

Next year, we plunk Hanley and or Puig for sure. Maybe Uribe if he's still hanging on with them.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Holy Jeffrey Maier

[TURBO]

Next year, we plunk Hanley and or Puig for sure. Maybe Uribe if he's still hanging on with them.

can we plunk Fredi? :icwudt:

[Bdawg2309]

damn A's blew it

[gilesfan]

http://zite.to/1fYbXke

[CrimsonCowboy]

Am I the only one getting rather annoyed by Keith Olbermann?

[Bdawg2309]

PLEASE SIGN HIM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/10/09/dusty-baker-interested-in-managing-the-nationals/

[CrimsonCowboy]

PLEASE SIGN HIM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/10/09/dusty-baker-interested-in-managing-the-nationals/

I approve this message!

[bravesnumberone]

Dusty Baker would be funny in Washington. Also I find it hilarious that people will on one hand defend Fredi on the basis he's won a lot of games here, but not Dusty, who's won everywhere he's gone.

[bravesnumberone]

I hate the Cardinals. Hope the Pirates pull it out, but then again the lucky ass Cardinals might be the best bet to put the freaking Dodgers out.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Cardinals or Dodgers: That's like deciding what you would rather have, a fever or a stomach virus

[drewdat]

A's, Tigers

Red Sox

Chinese land invasion forcing cessation of American professional sport

Dodgers

Cardinals

Dodgers have indisputably bought it if they win it and aren't on the verge of team of the decade conversations yet. Choice is clear for me.

[bravesnumberone]

Welp, go A's. Guess I'd be fine with the Tigers winning too.

Don't think I'll watch any of Cards-Dodgers.

[Bdawg2309]

Dusty Baker would be funny in Washington. Also I find it hilarious that people will on one hand defend Fredi on the basis he's won a lot of games here, but not Dusty, who's won everywhere he's gone.

and choked everywhere he's gone

2002 WS giants
2003 NLCS cubs
2012 NLDS reds

[bravesnumberone]

Yep and by that logic, outside of one WS, Bobby did the same. And Fredi's off to a good start too.

[KayJayNZ]

Adam Wainwright (with Marquis/King) for JD Drew (1 yr) & Eli Marrero. :facepalm:

Wish we could have a do-over on that trade.

[Dalyn]

At least Drew had a great year. Nice to trade for/sign someone and actually have them perform.

[thethe]

Worst trade in Braves history. Wainwright was a local boy who could have been a Braves lifer. Now he will be a HOF pitcher with a Cardinal cap.

[bravesnumberone]

Was listening to a radio interview with Jeff Passan (spelling?) of Yahoo Sports who was talking about how Wainright has grown up and emerged as a leader after coming up as a kid in the Cardianls' organization.

Made me a little sad.

[Dalyn]

Tonight is a rematch of the best game of the playoffs.

[Heyward]

Tonight is a rematch of the best game of the playoffs.

Go Tigers...

[Heyward]

Wainwright trade still pisses me off more than the Tex trade.

Only player I'd want back from Tex is Feliz pre injury.

Simmons is better than Andrus.

A legit ace on this team, sigh....

[NYCBrave]

Wainwright trade still pisses me off more than the Tex trade.

Only player I'd want back from Tex is Feliz pre injury.

Simmons is better than Andrus.

A legit ace on this team, sigh....

Would we even still have him on the team at this point? Great chance we wouldn't have been able to afford to keep him.

[Teheran_49]

Would we even still have him on the team at this point? Great chance we wouldn't have been able to afford to keep him.

Probably not but then again if we had 15mm to just give away to Lowe and B.J. then maybe. Doesn't really matter and JS screwing our future just so he could keep his division streak in tact really pisses me off. The bad part is those teams never went anywhere but had they won a WS it'd be different.

[Dalyn]

Go Tigers...

Screw that. A's all the way!