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The Chosen One

10-02-2013, 03:19 AM

Now that Breaking Bad is over, I was just going to make a thread on this considering IMO it's the second best show on TV after Breaking Bad.

And yeah, holy ****.

I'm kind of disappointed that Toric is dead. I loved how psychotic his character was but if he were to go out, who better than Clay and Otto to stick it to him. I just felt it was too early to kill him off.

I'm interested in how Roosevelt is going to handle this. Clearly he realizes Nero isn't responsible for the girl's death, and he looked at Toric's file and saw how insane he is. The DA wants public shaming on someone to take the fall, I'm interested in how Roosevelt is going to work with her.

Perhaps Roosevelt will see the value of the club to Charming, like Unser did all his years and help out the club.

Dalyn

10-02-2013, 04:01 AM

It is a good show. Would be great without Jax (and his lame ass shoes).

The Chosen One

10-02-2013, 05:06 AM

If I have to hear Jax say bro or "brutha" one more time... :mad:

50PoundHead

10-02-2013, 09:43 AM

I've bowed out for a couple of seasons, but have watched the first show from the current season. Yeah, Jax has got to dump those shoes.

Really effin' complicated.

BRule

10-02-2013, 11:21 AM

Jax shoes >>>>

Dalyn

10-02-2013, 11:26 AM

Jax shoes >>>>

I hope you are joking.

And just about every secondary character is far more interesting than Jax. Weakest lead in a good series in a long time.

The Chosen One

10-02-2013, 11:28 AM

I kind of have to agree.

Nero
Chibbs
Tigg
Gemma
Clay
Otto (even with his cameos)
Toric

Acting have all been much better, and their stories have all been better than Jax's IMO.

Dalyn

10-02-2013, 11:31 AM

If I have to hear Jax say bro or "brutha" one more time... :mad:

Reminds me of how bad Hayden Christensen was in the Star Wars prequels. I keep expecting Jax to call his wife or his whore, "M'lady."

The Chosen One

10-02-2013, 11:36 AM

Nothing against Charlie Hunnam, but his American Accent is just too clean to portray a thug gangster leader of a motorcycle gang.

Not only that, but most of the time his facial expression is the same whether somebody gets killed, somebody dies, someone's kidnapped, something good happens.

His signature "sigh of relief" that he takes when someone breaks news to him or he finds out something. His facial hair is a bit goofy to go along with the oversized jeans and those shoes. Only emotion he shows is when his eyes get bigger when he gets serious.

Can't count how many times he's begged someone outside the club to just "Let me handle this". Club has probably never been in worst shape since he took over.

BRule

10-02-2013, 11:40 AM

I kind of have to agree.

Nero
Chibbs
Tigg
Gemma
Clay
Otto (even with his cameos)
Toric

Acting have all been much better, and their stories have all been better than Jax's IMO.

I have to disagree, Jax story is one of the better ones....certainly one of the more interesting ones. You can argue about what parts are well acted and which ones aren't, I wouldn't say he is horrible.

Dalyn

10-02-2013, 11:44 AM

Jax's storyline is inconsistent and often feels contrived. It stopped being compelling several seasons ago.

BRule

10-02-2013, 11:47 AM

Jax's storyline is inconsistent and often feels contrived. It stopped being compelling several seasons ago.

It's a soap opera....isn't that how they are supposed to feel?

Dalyn

10-02-2013, 11:49 AM

It's a soap opera....isn't that how they are supposed to feel?

No. Contrived is a bad thing. It should feel natural, like many of the secondary storylines (and some elements of the overall plot).

The Chosen One

10-02-2013, 12:01 PM

If Jax's acting was as good and his story as interesting, I'm actually supposed to feel sorry or sympathize with his character on some level, instead I just find his scenes ultimately very very annoying.

I actually empathize with Chibbs' frustrations at how Jax is ruling the club. Although I must admit, why didn't Chibbs get in Jax's face like this when he was Sgt at Arms and not VP. When he wasn't VP, he basically went along with anything Jax did or called.

I actually find Tig's storyline compelling, mainly because of his acting. He plays off the psychopathic killer with a heart very well. Also the fact that he's a loose cannon and sometimes he can't think for himself...

Juice I can empathize with him. His character is kind of lost in limbo, recovering from the borderline betrayal towards the club. He's doing whatever he's told but you can still see on his face he doesn't feel like he's still proven to the club he's worthy.

Nero, you can see bits and pieces and signs of how ruthless he was as an OG. When he killed his cousin, last year when he and Jax were in the truck and he almost went head on with the SUV. I love his character because Jimmy Smits is just awesome.

Gemma, whom I hate the most on this show, does a great job of being the conniving, lying, manipulating, yet powerful woman influential figure on the show. Everyone respects her, and listens to her. She waves power around without even trying.

Clay, in jail is more interesting and Perlman's acting is far more superior to Jax's in his few scenes. I actually feel bad for Clay. He's a man lost, bitter, but not lost and bitter. I think Clay owns up to his mistakes (which is why he hasn't ratted out the club still), and he's semi-accepted his punishments for betraying the club. You can see the depressed look on his face when he's in solitary, and the roll with the punches mentality he's had. When he saw Otto, it was a really big wakeup call for him.

Toric's character has only been on for a few episodes, but he definitely grabs the screen as good as any cast regular. Logue has done a great job at portraying how insane he's been and how much of a dark past the guy's had. The mirror confrontations he's had in his bedroom, the forging signatures, the heroin, etc. His interactions with Clay and Otto in particular have been exceptional.

When Jax had his little 1 way glass confrontation with Toric last week, I felt that scene wasn't as good as it should've been, because of how goofy Jax looks and how mediocre Hunnam's acting was. Toric sitting behind the glass and his reflection in the glass was better than Jax threatening him.

The Chosen One

10-02-2013, 12:05 PM

Weakest lead character in a big TV series by far, only can be matched by Rick Grimes. I may be in the minority but I really feel as if Andrew Lincoln's acting hasn't been all that great, and I actually view him to be as weak of a leader as Jax. Both are pretty much begging everyone to give them a chance and give them time to figure stuff out, both are constantly just trying to do what's best for their group, and both end up pressing the wrong buttons too regularly.

The Chosen One

10-02-2013, 12:07 PM

I'm actually rooting for Tara's storyline of her setting up a potential divorce with Jax, yet I'm supposed to theoretically feel worse for Jax because his family and MC is falling apart and he assumes his family at least is in good shape.

If Jax/Charlie Hunnam was as strong of a lead character, I would be rooting against Tara and would have her on Gemma's level of bitchness.

Dalyn

10-02-2013, 12:09 PM

I agree about Grimes (for the most part). In his defense, the overall writing for The Walking Dead was horrible the first season +, unlike SOA, and is still not even close to Sutter.

The Chosen One

10-02-2013, 12:17 PM

I agree about Grimes (for the most part). In his defense, the overall writing for The Walking Dead was horrible the first season +, unlike SOA, and is still not even close to Sutter.

IDK, I just felt like, Grimes and The Governor are supposed to be on equal level (for as evil as Governor is, Rick should be just as much of the symbol of good), yet I find the Governor to be more commanding and more badass than Rick as a good guy.

The only time I've felt Rick's acting was good was that small campfire scene where he basically told the Farm Crew that it was a Ricktatorship from here on out.

Jax I kind of feel the same when he's talking to his rivals. When he talked to Pope, Pope was basically schooling him on the art of being a gangster. It's not like Jax out thought Pope, he just had a change of heart and improvised at the last second. When Jax talks to Marks, I don't see an equal level of respect, Marks is basically holding Jax by the balls and Jax is just kinda ok whatever. The way he tried to stand up for Tig in last week's episode before selling him out was pathetic. When Jax and Galen got into a confrontation, I didn't feel at all that Jax had the true balls to stand up to Galen, and that's why from the previews it looks like Jax is seeking Clay's help to stop Galen. Even with Peter Weller's character, who's the new cop working with the MC... Jax was basically being told what to do and had his balls behind held by Weller's character when they went on the Persian Boat. Then when Jax wants to go cheat on Tara AGAIN, he finds that the cop already beat him to the bedroom.

Dalyn

10-02-2013, 12:24 PM

Who you watch on screen will tell you a lot, and I would be willing to bet all eyes were on Weller during the boat scene.

Krgrecw

10-02-2013, 02:45 PM

What I never got about SOA is Tara is a surgeon correct? Why doesn't she just get up and leave with the kids? Jax wouldn't need money if his wife was a surgeon

So does Nero and Samcro but heads down the line? Does Piney come back for the Save?

The Chosen One

10-02-2013, 02:47 PM

BRule

10-02-2013, 02:49 PM

Zombie Piney

50PoundHead

10-02-2013, 03:50 PM

Zombie Piney

SOA/Walking Dead Crossover

I dropped from watching SOA two seasons ago with the trip to Ireland story line, but just thought I'd watch a few episodes the other day. Hunnam is a good actor, but I don't know if he's ever been cast right. I keep seeing him in a top hat playing Nicholas Nickleby. I used to bartend in a biker bar (although I'm not a biker and was reminded of that fact consistently) and while it wasn't a hardcore place, I find the whole SAMCRO thing way overblown and I think it would have been swept up by the law years ago.

Curious to see how it all ends. Is this the last season? It has to be getting nigh on the end. Katey Sagal is a good actress, but I hate her character. Ron Perlman is a great actor, but I hate his character. Hard to like anyone on this show.

The Chosen One

10-02-2013, 03:52 PM

Well Piney was on an oxygen machine, and Clay was too (well pretending after a certain extent). Maybe Piney has a walking life support machine.

BRule

10-02-2013, 03:59 PM

SOA/Walking Dead Crossover

I dropped from watching SOA two seasons ago with the trip to Ireland story line, but just thought I'd watch a few episodes the other day. Hunnam is a good actor, but I don't know if he's ever been cast right. I keep seeing him in a top hat playing Nicholas Nickleby. I used to bartend in a biker bar (although I'm not a biker and was reminded of that fact consistently) and while it wasn't a hardcore place, I find the whole SAMCRO thing way overblown and I think it would have been swept up by the law years ago.

Curious to see how it all ends. Is this the last season? It has to be getting nigh on the end. Katey Sagal is a good actress, but I hate her character. Ron Perlman is a great actor, but I hate his character. Hard to like anyone on this show.

I believe next season is the last.

NinersSBChamps

10-02-2013, 09:08 PM

Show has gotten out of control. It was awesome when it first came out, but the prior season and this current one are getting a bit ridiculous. It's entertaining enough to continue to watch though.

bravesnumberone

10-02-2013, 09:11 PM

Thinking about going back and catching up with this show.

Runnin

10-02-2013, 09:28 PM

I've come this far so I'm not gonna abandon it but this show is waaaaay past its expiration date. It became a sappy soap opera at some point, or maybe that's what it was from the start.

I can't believe Jax sacrificed Tig...or did he?

They've put off killing Clay for so long and he's become such a pathetic shell of his former self I've almost forgotten why he had to die.

As a character this new evil guy, the sadistic murdering, heroin addict, ex-Marshall is too much to believe.

I don't get the importance of Bobby's new Nomad group. I guess they are going to come back and face off with Jax and SAMCRO at some point.

Runnin

10-02-2013, 11:02 PM

It was a bad week for the Neo-Nazis.

Dalyn

10-09-2013, 04:11 AM

Last episode was kind of lame. Jax is an idiot.

Dalyn

11-06-2013, 01:37 AM

Best episode in a long time tonight. Just fantastic.

BRule

11-06-2013, 01:18 PM

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

**** is going DOWN

Hawk

11-06-2013, 06:45 PM

Downloaded the first season this afternoon after reading some of the opinions in this thread.

Dalyn

11-06-2013, 11:03 PM

Good move. It is worth it. Even the weak spots.

50PoundHead

11-14-2013, 12:39 PM

Well, Tara's digging her grave, but will she take Gemma with her. I love Katey Sagal as an actress, but I really want Gemma to get iced.

NinersSBChamps

11-14-2013, 01:13 PM

Well, Tara's digging her grave, but will she take Gemma with her. I love Katey Sagal as an actress, but I really want Gemma to get iced.

I detest Gemma as a character, but Tara's doing her best to make the audience dislike both of them.

50PoundHead

11-14-2013, 01:18 PM

I detest Gemma as a character, but Tara's doing her best to make the audience dislike both of them.

Agreed. Tara's gone completely wack.

gilesfan

11-14-2013, 02:03 PM

Have no clue how this ends and thats a good thing. I doubt Tara gets wacked tho.

The Chosen One

11-14-2013, 02:11 PM

Don't know if this spells the end of Tara yet, because Jax feels legitimately bad now for getting caught.

We've seen Jax cheat on her like 10 times this entire series, and he finally gets caught.

My question is, what the hell was Juice thinking, sending Tara over to Diosa in Stockton?

His job was to watch her, not to send her to go find Jax cheating on her. I'm sure Jax wouldn't have wanted Juice to do that.

Krgrecw

11-19-2013, 10:53 PM

Holy ****. Don't think anyone saw that coming

Dalyn

11-20-2013, 04:29 AM

I had a feeling Clay's muted presence this season signaled his end. Still a fantastic episode.

The Chosen One

11-20-2013, 08:51 AM

What an episode.

Kept getting that weird feeling something big was going down.

I figured Jax didn't want to turn in Galen and Clay to Patterson because they'd snitch and tell all the club's secrets and dealings.

I wonder though if Bobby had not gotten shot, would Gemma, Tara, Nero had to have come over to the hangar to witness Clay's death.

What a brutal death too for Clay... shot in the throat and had to choke on the blood for a good 20 seconds before Jax shoots up his body.

The Chosen One

11-20-2013, 10:30 AM

The one thing that is weird, is how Eli Roosevelt has basically just kind of accepted SAMCRO the way Wayne did.

I mean this is the same group connected to his wife and unborn child's murder. I know it was Clay that conspired it all, but man it seems like he has no more beef with the club.

50PoundHead

11-20-2013, 11:15 AM

How does Jax manage to keep blood stains off those rockin' white sneakers? SAMCRO should work with chemists to come up with a new shoe polish that is blood repellent. Call it Blood-no-More. I think that could open up an opportunity for a legitimate business venture that would allow them to get out of guns and porn.

Seriously, good episode. I know Katey Sagal is Kurt Sutter's wife, but I wish he wouldn't try to redeem her in the narrative. She is simply rotten.

Has Jimmy Smits been hanging out with Lindsay Lohan? Smits turned me *** for about five seconds back in the 1990s, but he's gone all to hell.

Edit: Darn censor. Let me re-phrase. Jimmy Smits was an extremely attractive man two decades ago. I guess we can't post the lyrics to "Deck the Halls" on the board. No one would know what type of apparel we would be donning.

The Chosen One

11-20-2013, 11:58 AM

Smits still looks decent. He was in the Star Wars prequels, and he had a show on NBC as a Supreme Court Judge who went back to the bar.

I think it's just makeup and the fake tattoos to make him look like a worn down original gangster.

The Chosen One

11-20-2013, 11:58 AM

Jax's shoes... yeah. Only Brule likes them.

BRule

11-20-2013, 12:40 PM

Sick kicks, bruh.

The Chosen One

11-20-2013, 12:44 PM

Sick kicks, bruh.
http://youtu.be/kVu_yMEhUfM

NinersSBChamps

11-21-2013, 08:12 PM

Tara has a decision to make and I pretty sure she wont show the bullet she pulled out of Bobby. However she admitted in front of that ghetto DA chick and Eli that the club was responsible for the ambush.

BRule

11-22-2013, 10:53 AM

Apparently **** is about to get crazier, a bunch of people "that know" say the last 2 episodes are insane and crazy.

NinersSBChamps

11-22-2013, 08:00 PM

Apparently **** is about to get crazier, a bunch of people "that know" say the last 2 episodes are insane and crazy.

Tara kills Jax, Gemma kills Tara, and Gemma becomes Prez.

Runnin

11-22-2013, 10:54 PM

I was hoping Shane/Boyd Crowder/Walton Coggins was going to have a recurring role. He plays a pretty good drag queen. It was love at first site for Tig.

The Chosen One

11-23-2013, 08:40 AM

I was hoping Shane/Boyd Crowder/Walton Coggins was going to have a recurring role. He plays a pretty good drag queen. It was love at first site for Tig.

And from the looks of it, sounds like love at first site for you too.

50PoundHead

11-23-2013, 09:33 AM

When I saw that episode, I was puzzled as to the actor playing the transsexual was, but when I looked closer I said to myself "That's Walton f*ckin' Goggins!!!!!" Great portrayal if a bit over the top. Couldn't believe Jax gunned down the lovely Adrienne Barbeau (actress playing the mother/grandmother). For those not old enough to remember, Adrienne Barbeau was the hotty of hotties back in the 1970s and 1980s.

Here's a shot of her from then.

http://www.classictvbeauties.com/Adrienne_Barbeau_photo_4.jpg

The Chosen One

12-04-2013, 01:04 AM

So Gemma tells everyone Tara made a deal, but Tara actually looks like she's running away instead of ratting out on the club.

Well Wayne assumes Tara made a deal because she implied she might have, although from what it looks like it's just Tara running away with the boys.

NinersSBChamps

12-04-2013, 02:15 AM

Juice must really work his core. His stomach was legit.

Dalyn

12-04-2013, 04:50 AM

Would be nice if Nero killed Jax. Chibs could take over with Tig as his second and Nero could stick around. Would be a MUCH better show.

The Chosen One

12-04-2013, 08:48 AM

Juice must really work his core. His stomach was legit.

Are you sure that's all what you were looking at when he was on the ground?

gilesfan

12-05-2013, 09:02 AM

Would be nice if Nero killed Jax. Chibs could take over with Tig as his second and Nero could stick around. Would be a MUCH better show.

Yeah, the show would be over.

Dalyn

12-05-2013, 06:19 PM

Yeah, the show would be over.

Jax is such a weak lead.

The Chosen One

12-05-2013, 06:46 PM

Jax is such a weak lead.

As weak as Rick Grimes?

Dalyn

12-05-2013, 06:57 PM

As weak as Rick Grimes?

They are close. Grimes probably takes the lead this season (just a terrible one for him, so far). At least Jax has had a few cool moments. Coolest moment for Grimes was when he got his ass kicked.

Dalyn

12-05-2013, 06:59 PM

You want to see a strong lead? Watch Justified.

The Chosen One

12-05-2013, 07:08 PM

They are close. Grimes probably takes the lead this season (just a terrible one for him, so far). At least Jax has had a few cool moments. Coolest moment for Grimes was when he got his ass kicked.

Jax has his shoes, and Rick has the annoyance of continuing to refer to his son as Coral. "CORAL!!! CORALLLLLL!!!! CORALLLLL!!!"

http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/students/coral/images/coral_polyp_1.jpg

Dalyn

12-05-2013, 07:46 PM

Jax has his shoes, and Rick has the annoyance of continuing to refer to his son as Coral. "CORAL!!! CORALLLLLL!!!! CORALLLLL!!!"

http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/students/coral/images/coral_polyp_1.jpg

:happy0157:

gilesfan

12-06-2013, 09:12 AM

There are zero story lines if you eliminate Jax.

The Chosen One

12-06-2013, 10:43 AM

There are zero story lines if you eliminate Jax.

Jax is forced into the storylines, big difference.

Dalyn

12-06-2013, 01:29 PM

Jax is forced into the storylines, big difference.

Exactly. It all feels so contrived, which is NOT a good thing.

NinersSBChamps

12-06-2013, 03:42 PM

There are zero story lines if you eliminate Jax.

Show hit it's ceiling awhile ago and is bottoming out now, imo. How many more seasons can we expect?

BRule

12-06-2013, 03:51 PM

Next season is the last

Krgrecw

12-06-2013, 05:21 PM

That's what was said but a month ago Jax said in a recent interview that they keep adding to the shows and have already filmed two more shows for next season then they planned too. Maybe they'll leave the finale open to possibly come back like Eastbound and Down

50PoundHead

12-10-2013, 07:00 PM

This show has become an absolute clusterf*ck.

Krgrecw

12-10-2013, 11:36 PM

Wow

BRule

12-10-2013, 11:36 PM

Saw that coming BUT....wow....

The Chosen One

12-11-2013, 12:45 AM

Gemma needs to DIE. Like for real.

I think they'll try to pin Tara's murder on Roosevelt as payback for his wife and unborn child being killed. Looks like Juce is trying to regain Jax's trust by cleaning this up and who knows what's going to happen with Gemma. Good god.

Dalyn

12-11-2013, 03:07 AM

:eusa_dance:

50PoundHead

12-11-2013, 09:56 AM

I get that part of Sutter's calculus is that he's writing for his wife (and I have immense respect for Katey Sagal as an actress), but things are just spinning out of control. I almost have to go back to the 1960s with Lieutenant Girard chasing Richard Kimble in "The Fugative" or Anthony Falconetti plotting the death of Tom Jordache in "Rich Man, Poor Man" to mine a character that I despise as much as Gemma. Another thing, the Jax "narrate as I journal" segments just make me want to puke. "I'm doing this all for my sons." Yeah, right. Then get a real job. It's just all getting too tortured. Almost becoming a caricature of itself.

Hawk

01-23-2014, 12:34 PM

Downloaded the first season this afternoon after reading some of the opinions in this thread.

And after literally bingeing for the past two weeks, I finally finished up today.

All I have to say is WTF. Agreed that Gemma needs to die, but I feel like that is becoming rather trite by the end of Season 6. The solution to every conflict seems to be murder.

The casting director for this show is amazing; RoboCop, Claudette Wyms, Bobby Simone, Augustus Hill ... damn quality acting.

50PoundHead

01-23-2014, 02:44 PM

And after literally bingeing for the past two weeks, I finally finished up today.

All I have to say is WTF. Agreed that Gemma needs to die, but I feel like that is becoming rather trite by the end of Season 6. The solution to every conflict seems to be murder.

The casting director for this show is amazing; RoboCop, Claudette Wyms, Bobby Simone, Augustus Hill ... damn quality acting.

Agree 100%. Outside of the periodic amusing side-story, everything is just becoming too tortured.

The Chosen One

01-23-2014, 02:52 PM

Hopefully Jax honors Tara's last wish for him to change his shoes.

50PoundHead

01-24-2014, 10:01 AM

Hopefully Jax honors Tara's last wish for him to change his shoes.

I watched a movie (The Ledge) in which Charlie Hunnam was the main star on Netflix and he was not rocking those white tennies.

Hawk

01-24-2014, 10:33 AM

On the subject of characters wearing the same thing: the dirty, fraying shirts of Wayne Unser. You know that guy has to reek.

The Chosen One

01-24-2014, 12:29 PM

On the subject of characters wearing the same thing: the dirty, fraying shirts of Wayne Unser. You know that guy has to reek.

I think it goes great with his character. LOL

As for character outfits... Nero has got me rockin' cardigans in the real world.

The Chosen One

08-06-2014, 02:11 PM

Teaser for the upcoming season, the final season.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1124373/?ref_=ext_shr_fb_vi#lb-vi4195396633

rico43

08-11-2014, 06:13 PM

The Emmy awards ignoring this show dishonor the Emmys, not the show. I'm already Jonesing for Sutter's prequel miniseries.

Krgrecw

09-09-2014, 09:27 PM

my God, if I didn't know that was Marilyn Manson, I'd have no idea

Hawk

09-09-2014, 09:35 PM

my God, if I didn't know that was Marilyn Manson, I'd have no idea

LOL, I was thinking, "Did they choose a Marilyn Manson lookalike intentionally?"

BRule

09-10-2014, 11:36 AM

Can't wait to see this all come crashing down on Gemma

Krgrecw

09-10-2014, 05:35 PM

Watch Gemma be the last one standing. I'll be so pissed

NinersSBChamps

09-10-2014, 07:16 PM

Pretty sure Gemma will duck everything and be the hero in the end.

NinersSBChamps

09-10-2014, 07:17 PM

Also I don't get why Juice is hiding out?

GMAJAH25

09-10-2014, 07:56 PM

Also I don't get why Juice is hiding out?

Related to Juice admitting to Nero that Jax called for the execution of that lady at the cabin. Jax told Nero he wouldnt kill her.

Also related to hiding from the police...pretty much due to Gemma putting that fear in him.

The Chosen One

09-10-2014, 08:33 PM

I think Juce will snitch on Gemma before Jax puts a bullet in his head. Or maybe Juce will kill Gemma as redemption and Jax will let him live. I think Juce will confess to Unser that Gemma killed Tara.

Nero is definitely dead soon because everybody knows Gemma is his lady and he called the peace meeting. Yellow will go after Tio's gang with the Eastside blacks. The mayans and niners will step back and let yellow attack samcro so they can be apart of yellow's deal with Irish. Tio's gang will be pissed that jax lied to him because of Gemma lie. Marks will pretend to be in Jaxs corner and then leave Samcro hanging out to dry because he already has the guns deal with Connor.

The Chosen One

09-10-2014, 08:33 PM

Related to Juice admitting to Nero that Jax called for the execution of that lady at the cabin. Jax told Nero he wouldnt kill her.

Also related to hiding from the police...pretty much due to Gemma putting that fear in him.

Juce was already on thin ice because of RICO. The lying to Jax thing was icing.

The Chosen One

09-10-2014, 08:37 PM

Did any of you guys watch the post show talk show? Hunnam actually answered the question about the shoes.

NinersSBChamps

09-10-2014, 08:44 PM

Related to Juice admitting to Nero that Jax called for the execution of that lady at the cabin. Jax told Nero he wouldnt kill her.

Also related to hiding from the police...pretty much due to Gemma putting that fear in him.
Oh yeah that's right. Thanks. It's hard to keep up with all these storylines going on.

Runnin

09-10-2014, 09:56 PM

Can't wait to see this all come crashing down on Gemma
I don't buy it that they are all so nonchalant over Tara's murder. Don't be too hard on Gemma, she's just trying to protect her family. :icwudt:

50PoundHead

09-11-2014, 09:04 AM

The Chosen One

09-11-2014, 09:34 AM

This is a show I've followed at arm's length and I'll admit I'm really confused right now with all the overlapping of the activities of the different clubs. Compelling characters is what keeps me watching. Gemma is the absolute worst character I think I've ever seen portrayed on television and I can't believe Katey Sagal has not won more awards for this role (she has won a couple).

It's sort of confusing because we've had a 10 month layoff between seasons... and the thing that's still in everybody's mind is Gemma killing Tara, even though there were a lot of stuff that was going the last few episodes of last season (Lin's crew, Clay getting killed, Nero going back to his gang, etc).

Dalyn

09-11-2014, 02:15 PM

Did any of you guys watch the post show talk show? Hunnam actually answered the question about the shoes.

No. What the **** did he say?

NinersSBChamps

09-16-2014, 09:41 PM

This continues to spiral out of control. Entertaining enough, but I am glad it's ending.

NinersSBChamps

09-16-2014, 10:18 PM

Jax is a POS. Pretty sure he killed the son or sons of the Indian Hills President.

BRule

09-17-2014, 09:37 AM

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, this is gonna end REALLY badly

50PoundHead

09-17-2014, 10:57 AM

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, this is gonna end REALLY badly

Yeah. It's always been "Hamlet Joins a Biker Gang" and it's pretty much going to end just like Hamlet.

The Chosen One

09-17-2014, 09:12 PM

NinersSBChamps

09-18-2014, 06:26 PM

Nero has become my favorite character on the show. When he started talking to Wendy about being honest and truthful, made me cringe at the thought of his reaction when he finds out Gemma killed Tara.

Top Characters:

Nero
Chibbs
Good Guy Wayne
Tig

Most Hated:
Gemma

Least Liked:
Jax

Nero is a man for sure. I love what he brought to the show.

Top Characters:
Nero, Chibbs, and Happy

Most Hated:
Gemma and Jax

Meh:
Bobby

The Chosen One

09-18-2014, 08:46 PM

I kind of like how Tig's character went from being major to comedic relief.

Nearly every thing he's done the last few seasons outside the Pope storyline has been pure comedic relief.

Can't stress enough how much I'm rooting against Jax. Once the Indian Hills President confronts Lin, Lin's people will tell him that Jax and SOA CONFIRMED it was those muscle "guys" that Jax framed... and it's going to get ugly.

The Chosen One

09-23-2014, 10:39 PM

I hate Jax even more now.

The Chosen One

09-23-2014, 10:44 PM

I hate Jax more than Gemma. Never thought I'd say that.

Krgrecw

09-24-2014, 12:04 AM

Yeah. Hope Jax doesn't make it through to the end

BRule

09-24-2014, 09:12 AM

Yeah. Hope Jax doesn't make it through to the end

I think most people assume that it doesn't end well for Jax or Gemma.....the question is how does it end? Death, jail, loved ones killed/leave, etc, etc.....

Jax is definitely on his "F the world" flow, though.

NinersSBChamps

09-24-2014, 05:55 PM

Never thouht I could hate Jax more each episode, but that's what is going on now.

Chibbs is gonna nail that new sheriff though.

The Chosen One

09-24-2014, 08:51 PM

We're seeing a softer side of Chibbs now, like you mention I think he has the hots for the sheriff, and I think Unser convinced him that Juce was no threat to the club, but in need of desperate help.

The Chosen One

09-30-2014, 10:29 PM

Sutter is turning this show into a giant cluster****.

So many people have died in the first few episodes alone it's absurd.

NinersSBChamps

10-01-2014, 03:37 PM

I guess its the final season so anything goes. The show is outrageous. At this point I wonder who will be alive at the end.

rico43

10-02-2014, 02:53 PM

There will be a select few to tell the tale. I'm guessing Unser, because of the irony of his terminal cancer, and I can see Bobby walking away and leaving it all. Hoping the setup is for Juice to make it, too. Also Wendy will survive as the boys' caregiver.

Runnin

10-04-2014, 04:39 PM

Gemma's lie to cover up killing Tara causes a massacre. The Tara murder storyline is ... messy.

Jax should've figured it out by now, and probably has. He's surely going to kill Gemma (has to, right?) but who will kill Jax? Unser? Juice? The new sheriff? Bobby? Nero? Marilyn Manson? Shane/Boyd Crowder's cross-dressing alter ego, who by the way is awesome in that role.

cajunrevenge

10-05-2014, 05:27 PM

Jax has turned into the man that Gemma wanted him to be in the first place. I like that this season the club is finally working as a cohesive unit and **** ing **** up without hesitation.

The Chosen One

10-14-2014, 10:54 PM

YES YES YES YES YES!!!

We're finally going to see Jax learn the truth about Gemma killing Tara.

+ Redemption for Juce next week!!!

Dalyn

10-15-2014, 02:35 PM

YES YES YES YES YES!!!

We're finally going to see Jax learn the truth about Gemma killing Tara.

+ Redemption for Juce next week!!!

Nope.

He is going to take that truth with him. Nero is the one who is going to figure it out.

NinersSBChamps

10-15-2014, 02:55 PM

Jax clearly finds out something next episode. Juice isn't going to get killed.

How many more episodes left?

The Chosen One

10-15-2014, 04:15 PM

Nope.

He is going to take that truth with him. Nero is the one who is going to figure it out.

Yeah Nero did give Wendy that look like oh-em-gee.

I think Unser has figured it out as well.

If you look at the preview again, it shows Jax and Juce standing in the desert where Gem and John Teller initialed their letters on a rock. Juce says "I'm Sorry" and it shows Jax handing him his Men of Mayhem jacket back. Either Juce is saying sorry for betraying the club and hiding the truth, or Juce is saying sorry for the loss of Tara. Or Jax is about to execute him but first letting him put his jacket on one more time.

They also show Juce shooting up a place, probably a club or restaurant owned by Marks?

Juce has to have told him something. I know Sutter has arranged the next week's preview to throw off the crowd but I think I've gotten somewhat of a sense of what is gonna happen.

The Chosen One

10-15-2014, 04:18 PM

I almost threw my remote at the TV when Gemma was about to get away with another lie to Unser, and then another lie to Nero.

And then I felt like when she was talking to Jax in the office she was trying to throw Unser under the bus, maybe kill him too.

Dalyn

10-15-2014, 04:20 PM

Yeah Nero did give Wendy that look like oh-em-gee.

I think Unser has figured it out as well.

If you look at the preview again, it shows Jax and Juce standing in the desert where Gem and John Teller initialed their letters on a rock. Juce says "I'm Sorry" and it shows Jax handing him his Men of Mayhem jacket back. Either Juce is saying sorry for betraying the club and hiding the truth, or Juce is saying sorry for the loss of Tara. Or Jax is about to execute him but first letting him put his jacket on one more time.

They also show Juce shooting up a place, probably a club or restaurant owned by Marks?

Juce has to have told him something. I know Sutter has arranged the next week's preview to throw off the crowd but I think I've gotten somewhat of a sense of what is gonna happen.

Oh. I always skip the previews. You could be right.

cajunrevenge

10-15-2014, 07:55 PM

Going by the preview I wonder if Jax let's Juice die as a respected member of the club by going on some kind of suicide mission. Maybe he does a drive by on Marks to further **** up his business deals.

The Chosen One

10-15-2014, 08:34 PM

Krgrecw

10-15-2014, 08:42 PM

Yeah but Marks and his guys don't ride motorcycles do they?

The Chosen One

10-15-2014, 08:51 PM

Yeah but Marks and his guys don't ride motorcycles do they?

So that limits our options doesn't it?

Bastards are Sons allies, so are the Mayans.

NinersSBChamps

10-15-2014, 09:07 PM

Why does it matter if Marks doesn't ride motorcycles? If Juice were to do something like a drive by on Marks and his crew why would it matter what Marks is riding?

Krgrecw

10-15-2014, 09:53 PM

Preview for next week has juice doing a drive by, on a bunch of motorcycles that are parked outside of a club.

I dont believe that Marks and his gang ride motorcycles, so chances are Juice shoots someone else. Possibly The Sons chapter from up North?

GMAJAH25

10-15-2014, 10:13 PM

Krgrecw

10-15-2014, 11:05 PM

Okay. I stand corrected

cajunrevenge

10-16-2014, 04:27 AM

My other thought was Juice volunteers to go to jail to take out Lin. I kind of doubt Jax finds out this episode though, the previews are usually misleading. I do wonder if they are just going to drop the whole John Teller stuff though, it has to come out right?

gilesfan

10-16-2014, 08:08 AM

After a cluster**** of a season, we finally get a decent episode last night.

BRule

10-22-2014, 08:41 AM

Soooooooooooooooo yeah......probably my favorite episode of the season, finally got an episode without that stupid over the top fight scene with ****ty music. Had a bunch of tense moments and obviously sets up a ton of stuff on all fronts.

Dalyn

10-22-2014, 02:33 PM

It seems a lot of shows find themselves when the end is finally in sight. I think it's because some of the more successful ones try to milk an extra season or three and it doesn't always work.

The Chosen One

10-22-2014, 04:25 PM

Gemma indirectly strikes again.

Because of her Bobby is About to get cut. Lol

Dalyn

10-22-2014, 04:28 PM

He didn't even see it coming.

50PoundHead

10-24-2014, 03:32 PM

It seems a lot of shows find themselves when the end is finally in sight. I think it's because some of the more successful ones try to milk an extra season or three and it doesn't always work.

I've watched the show at arm's length over the years but have watched this season more closely to see how it all ends. I think the machinations between the various groups have become ludicrous, but then I remind myself that this is television and not real life.

I would hate to be young Abel Teller.

Nero has simply got to quit thinking with his d*ck. He alluded to the "stepfather" issue with Jax. If he wants to stay vertical, I think the life of a bachelor farmer is the route to go.

The Chosen One

10-29-2014, 03:14 AM

I really really wanna see Jax and Gemma die sooner than later.

Runnin

10-30-2014, 05:34 AM

I really really wanna see Jax and Gemma die sooner than later.
It's nice finally getting to watch Gemma squirm.

Who will kill Jax? Gemma? Unser? Nero? They introduced the suicide idea this week.

NinersSBChamps

10-30-2014, 10:25 AM

Neither one is going to die imo.

Dalyn

10-30-2014, 10:49 AM

Abel is going to kill Gemma. It'll probably be at the moment when she finally feels safe (maybe at the farm with Nero), and it looks like she's going to survive. Jax will live, possibly with that last scene being when Abel reveals that Gemma killed Tara.

Dalyn

10-30-2014, 10:56 AM

It's possible the club kills Jax. That would be ideal. Would love a scene with Jax that mirrors the one when Clay had his Reaper stripped and tattoos blacked out.

Dalyn

10-30-2014, 10:56 AM

Then I hope they stuff those white shoes in his ass. :icon_biggrin:

50PoundHead

10-30-2014, 02:13 PM

It's nice finally getting to watch Gemma squirm.

Who will kill Jax? Gemma? Unser? Nero? They introduced the suicide idea this week.

I think Unser has figured out that Gemma was at least complicit in Tara's death and there's going to be a confrontation between the two. I'm not saying Unser knows Gemma killed Tara, but I think he's figured out that the Chinese angle is BS. I'm guessing Unser loses that war.

Funny that Gemma didn't really react when Abel started talking about his "accident" when he clocked the kid at school. Gemma is one of the most despicable characters in the history of television.

I thought Jury's final conversation with Jax was interesting, but John Teller committing suicide would be inconsistent with the story up to now (at least to me). I thought it was pretty firmly established that Clay brought about John Teller's demise with Gemma at least knowing it was coming. I could be wrong on that.

Somehow, I think the final confrontation will be between Gemma and Jax after Jax deduces that Gemma killed Tara.

gilesfan

10-30-2014, 02:30 PM

Jax will figure out Gemma killed Tara. Abel knows, the skinhead dude knows.....Unser is figuring out. Abel is probably the one to tell Jax, imo.

Krgrecw

10-30-2014, 03:00 PM

I think Jax will make it through. May have overthought a quote in the entertainment weekly a few weeks back but I read it is two people will die and Jax wasn't one of them

50PoundHead

10-30-2014, 03:43 PM

I think Jax will make it through. May have overthought a quote in the entertainment weekly a few weeks back but I read it is two people will die and Jax wasn't one of them

To me, the most likely are (in no particular order): Juice, Gemma, Wayne, and Nero.

PS--Of course, Bobby is halfway there.

The Chosen One

10-30-2014, 05:29 PM

The quote stated two will die by episode 10 I think. One might be Juce in prison trying to kill Lin.

But Sutter has stated this is going to be a blood shakespeare ending.

NinersSBChamps

10-30-2014, 06:29 PM

I could see Wendy getting effed over completely. Gemma admits that Jax that it was Wendy who killed Tara. Gemma is always looking for ways to hurt people to avoid her actual blame.

50PoundHead

10-30-2014, 07:04 PM

I could see Wendy getting effed over completely. Gemma admits that Jax that it was Wendy who killed Tara. Gemma is always looking for ways to hurt people to avoid her actual blame.

Never thought of that angle. Very possible. Would certainly be in character for Gemma.

The Chosen One

10-30-2014, 07:20 PM

Highly doubt Jax would kill Wendy, or that Gemma could convince anyone Wendy killed her.

Only angle she'd have would be Wendy told Lin to do it, but even then that'd be a HUGE stretch. If Jax did that, Nero/Unser/Chibbs would all think Jax had lost his mind for good.

50PoundHead

10-30-2014, 07:41 PM

NinersSBChamps

10-30-2014, 07:43 PM

Whatever, Jeff. You just hate me now. :(

The Chosen One

10-30-2014, 08:02 PM

I was thinking more that Abel would tell Wendy, Wendy would confront Gemma, and Gemma would kill Wendy.

Oh well in that case, it's certainly possible.

And now that I think about it, it's very likely of happening.

The Chosen One

10-31-2014, 12:39 AM

Jax: I love you Phillip.

Awkward Silence.

Chibbs: *Pats Jax on Back*, I love you Jackson.

50 Shades of S.O.A?

The Chosen One

10-31-2014, 12:44 AM

I also just somehow watched a Mark Boone Junior marathon unintentionally the past 2 weeks.

Batman Begins, 30 Days of Night, Thin Red Line, The Game and Se7en.

Not gonna lie, when they turned on the iPad showing Bobby being enucleated, those grumbling grunts Bobby was doing made me laugh. "Ahhhrrrgghhh. Grrrr. Roar"

Also, as much as I love Bobby, when security team guy said they snatched Bobby because he was the smartest one on the club, made me realize that the club is in bad shape if Bobby was the smartest. Chibbs is just a loyalist. Tig is in wonderland. Happy is a yes man. Jax is an idiot.

Nero is the smartest one but he's not technically a part of the MC.

Runnin

10-31-2014, 02:06 AM

Also, as much as I love Bobby, when security team guy said they snatched Bobby because he was the smartest one on the club, made me realize that the club is in bad shape if Bobby was the smartest.
He just wants Bobby to squeal. Bobby smart? He's an Elvis impersonator. For me he's the least believable character on the show, ever since returning from going nomad.

My favorite scene in the last episode was Chucky, the dude with no prosthetic hands, come riding up on his moped. Priceless.

50PoundHead

10-31-2014, 09:07 AM

He just wants Bobby to squeal. Bobby smart? He's an Elvis impersonator. For me he's the least believable character on the show, ever since returning from going nomad.

My favorite scene in the last episode was Chucky, the dude with no prosthetic hands, come riding up on his moped. Priceless.

I've always thought Bobby was just along for the ride. I used to bartend in a biker bar and the club that frequented the joint had a couple of "Bobby's." Damaged hangers-on with not a lot going on.

Sav, I forgot to add that if Gemma offs Wendy, she would concoct a story that Wendy killed Tara because Tara was planning to leave with Abel. Of course, then the whole Gemma's pointing at the Chinese would fall apart and my guess is Jax would start--one would hope--seeing through Gemma's BS. I can barely watch the show without wanting to throw something at Gemma every time she's on screen. Mark of a great actress to pull off that part.

I think Chibbs is actually the smartest guy in the club because he sees where the big furniture should go and doesn't mess around with the knick-knacks. But in a Shakespearean sense (and the more I think about the show, it's "Hamlet Joins an MC"), Chibbs' loyalty is his downfall and perhaps the downfall of the entire club because his loyalty is so blind.

rico43

11-04-2014, 04:51 PM

50PoundHead

11-05-2014, 11:19 AM

The Chosen One

11-05-2014, 02:47 PM

It's Tig! Think back to the episode where Jax sends him to the warehouse for August and his goons to kill. We never saw that scene, only Tig showing up at Jax's house the next morning.

I say that Tig realized that Jax ultimately sold him out after all, and in his need for self-preservation, he offered to be August's mole in the club. Everything that has happened since fits this scenario.

That's a great theory.

Marks knew Jax was bull****ting about Clay killing Pope. He didn't retaliate against Jax because he wanted the Irish guns. He used Tig as leverage to get intel.

Probably the reason Moses knows that Tyler is in good relation with the club.

Runnin

11-05-2014, 08:05 PM

How long before Gemma kills Abel? Only half kidding. I know it's hard to find a kid that age who can act, but they could have tried to find someone a little better. Kid has been a brooding presence behind Gemma at two junctures now. Almost like a young Polonius in one sense and the eyes of T.J. Eckleburg in another.
I was so hoping Gemma would turn around and see Abel. She wouldn't kill him, do you think? But he does have that unfortunate name. I think they should've directed Abel to take a bite of the cookie in his hand and look off to the side (with camera closeup), as if giving some thought as to how he was gonna play this. Nah, probably too melodramatic, even for this show. But he IS Jax's son, afterall.

Not that it hasn't already been bloody enough, but with Bobby and the conscience of the club gone, I expect a free for all. Let's see, what coming showdowns to we have to look forward to:

Sons vs Marks and Moses Cartwright (What a name.)
Sons vs Devil Tribe
Sons vs Gemma
Jax vs Himself
Jax vs Gemma
Gemma vs Able
Gemma vs Nero
Gemma vs Wayne
Gemma vs The World
Juice vs Lin
Juice vs Marilyn Manson (I can only hope.)

What am I missing?
Sons vs Tig (?)

The Chosen One

11-05-2014, 09:44 PM

I was so hoping Gemma would turn around and see Abel. She wouldn't kill him, do you think? But he does have that unfortunate name. I think they should've directed Abel to take a bite of the cookie in his hand and look off to the side (with camera closeup), as if giving some thought as to how he was gonna play this. Nah, probably too melodramatic, even for this show. But he IS Jax's son, afterall.

Not that it hasn't already been bloody enough, but with Bobby and the conscience of the club gone, I expect a free for all. Let's see, what coming showdowns to we have to look forward to:

Sons vs Marks and Moses Cartwright (What a name.)
Sons vs Devil Tribe
Sons vs Gemma
Jax vs Himself
Jax vs Gemma
Gemma vs Able
Gemma vs Nero
Gemma vs Wayne
Gemma vs The World
Juice vs Lin
Juice vs Marilyn Manson (I can only hope.)

What am I missing?
Sons vs Tig (?)

Wendy vs. Gemma
Nero + Gemma vs. Jax (when Jax finds out about Tara)
Unser vs. Shower
Jax vs. Jax
Samcro Charming vs. All Other Charters

And to be a bit more abstract:
Kurt Sutter vs. His Obsession of showing Juce in the nude often.
Jax vs. His Shoes

50PoundHead

11-05-2014, 11:56 PM

I was so hoping Gemma would turn around and see Abel. She wouldn't kill him, do you think? But he does have that unfortunate name. I think they should've directed Abel to take a bite of the cookie in his hand and look off to the side (with camera closeup), as if giving some thought as to how he was gonna play this. Nah, probably too melodramatic, even for this show. But he IS Jax's son, afterall.

Not that it hasn't already been bloody enough, but with Bobby and the conscience of the club gone, I expect a free for all. Let's see, what coming showdowns to we have to look forward to:

Sons vs Marks and Moses Cartwright (What a name.)
Sons vs Devil Tribe
Sons vs Gemma
Jax vs Himself
Jax vs Gemma
Gemma vs Able
Gemma vs Nero
Gemma vs Wayne
Gemma vs The World
Juice vs Lin
Juice vs Marilyn Manson (I can only hope.)

What am I missing?
Sons vs Tig (?)

No, she wouldn't. But I would love to hear the tale she would spin.

I somehow think Abel is going to spill to Wendy or Jax and there will be a confrontation with Gemma as a result.

Krgrecw

11-06-2014, 12:13 AM

Watch Gemma be the last one standing.

That would suck

50PoundHead

11-06-2014, 07:17 AM

Watch Gemma be the last one standing.

That would suck

I know it's only fiction, but I am actually uncomfortable watching her and it surprises me how much I want the character to die a painful death.

Hawk

11-08-2014, 03:19 PM

It's Tig! Think back to the episode where Jax sends him to the warehouse for August and his goons to kill. We never saw that scene, only Tig showing up at Jax's house the next morning.

I say that Tig realized that Jax ultimately sold him out after all, and in his need for self-preservation, he offered to be August's mole in the club. Everything that has happened since fits this scenario.

Rico this is kind of brilliant. I had totally forgotten about the whole Tig/Daughter/August/Jax storyline.

Krgrecw

11-11-2014, 11:02 PM

Oh ****. Wow

Runnin

11-12-2014, 01:57 AM

Oh ****. Wow

He said it......finally.

Those scenes with Tig and Venus/Shane/Boyd Crowder just crack me up. You have to admit, they make a great couple.

Hawk

11-12-2014, 02:14 AM

I liked this episode. The sex montage at the beginning set a perfect tone: you are ****ed, one way or the other.

50PoundHead

11-12-2014, 10:26 AM

I liked this episode. The sex montage at the beginning set a perfect tone: you are ****ed, one way or the other.

Yeah. I thought I'd turned into the "Sons of Anarchy Sex Party" on Skinemax. Pretty solid, if heavy-handed, metaphor for what's happening.

I figured Abel would spill, but i didn't think it would be to Jax. I thought it would be a bit more of a roundabout with Gemma causing more "accidents" to protect herself from the inevitable confrontation with Jax.

The Chosen One

11-12-2014, 03:00 PM

Knowing the train wreck that is this show, Jax is going to think Wendy conspired with Gemma to do the deed on Tara, and Jax is going to kill Wendy. Gemma will turn it around and blame Wendy.

50PoundHead

11-12-2014, 04:29 PM

Knowing the train wreck that is this show, Jax is going to think Wendy conspired with Gemma to do the deed on Tara, and Jax is going to kill Wendy. Gemma will turn it around and blame Wendy.

That wouldn't be surprising. It would be a stretch, but maybe Sutter doesn't want to kill his real life wife on the show.

Dalyn

11-12-2014, 04:50 PM

http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/8e276af2732b4364c37db02d6d1b96cd.jpg

Dalyn

11-12-2014, 04:51 PM

Sutter has a real eye for love.

Dalyn

11-12-2014, 04:51 PM

Sutter has a real eye for love.

http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/b33d9f50580e48cfc824ec6513f92f19.jpg

50PoundHead

11-12-2014, 04:51 PM

http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/8e276af2732b4364c37db02d6d1b96cd.jpg

From the whole montage, I couldn't tell who was having a more enjoyable time: Gemma or Juice.

Dalyn

11-12-2014, 04:53 PM

From the whole montage, I couldn't tell who was having a more enjoyable time: Gemma or Juice.

I think Juice cleared that up at the end. He obviously really enjoyed Tully reading him poetry as mental lubrication before pulling out the actual lubrication.

The Chosen One

11-12-2014, 05:48 PM

http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/b33d9f50580e48cfc824ec6513f92f19.jpg

Oh christ. When they showed his eye hanging the first time, I was grossed out by that 200x more than them cutting his fingers off.

Krgrecw

11-12-2014, 06:36 PM

Wonder how the Tigs situation plays out. Does he just run off with his new love and live happily ever after?

Dalyn

11-12-2014, 06:42 PM

Wonder how the Tigs situation plays out. Does he just run off with his new love and live happily ever after?

That's my guess.

50PoundHead

11-12-2014, 09:51 PM

Wonder how the Tigs situation plays out. Does he just run off with his new love and live happily ever after?

I'm somehow envisioning the final scene in Reservoir Dogs.

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/11/tumblr_me0p10RGcS1rlrr6co1_500.gif

Runnin

11-13-2014, 08:22 AM

http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/b33d9f50580e48cfc824ec6513f92f19.jpg
Jax killed this guy too quickly for my liking.

Dalyn

11-13-2014, 08:49 AM

Jax killed this guy too quickly for my liking.

Mine too.

The Chosen One

11-13-2014, 09:12 AM

Jax killed this guy too quickly for my liking.

I know. He's only been a factor less than a handful of episodes... and his name was just as badass as August Marks. Moses Cartwright. I loved how he was actually more cold hearted than August himself.

Sucks that he got wiped out so early.

The Chosen One

11-13-2014, 09:15 AM

Also wanted to point out, that as sharp and as smart as Moses was (with his military assassin-like mentality) that he didn't see this coming.

Dalyn

11-13-2014, 09:32 AM

Also wanted to point out, that as sharp and as smart as Moses was (with his military assassin-like mentality) that he didn't see this coming.

It's like he went into the fight with one eye tied behind his back.

The Chosen One

11-13-2014, 09:41 AM

It's like he went into the fight with one eye tied behind his back.

It's bizarre because with his military background and presumed sharpness, you'd think he'd be one of those guys that sleeps with one eye open.

I'm shocked with how easy Tio gave up the cabin, that he didn't feel it was a trap. Especially after they scouted the house and didn't find anybody... you'd think he could see it was a trap. I'm surprised he couldn't put his fingers on it.

Dalyn

11-13-2014, 09:45 AM

He just let Jax really socket to him.

Dalyn

11-13-2014, 09:47 AM

We should move to some Juice jokes. That guy was a buttload of fun this episode.

The Chosen One

11-13-2014, 10:38 AM

He just let Jax really socket to him.

Well... he did tell Jax that he was the Head of Security for Marks. Moses really bit the bullet on that one.

Runnin

11-14-2014, 09:43 PM

Also wanted to point out, that as sharp and as smart as Moses was (with his military assassin-like mentality) that he didn't see this coming.
Yeah, and he didn't have his precious prisoners properly guarded either. Very unprofessional for a guy who was supposed to be so efficient.

The Chosen One

11-14-2014, 09:47 PM

Yeah, and he didn't have his precious prisoners properly guarded either. Very unprofessional for a guy who was supposed to be so efficient.

In fairness, I think he thought Tyler's loyalty remained with black and not to the sons.

Runnin

11-14-2014, 09:51 PM

Well... he did tell Jax that he was the Head of Security for Marks. Moses really bit the bullet on that one.
Juice has really become a very unfortunate name for him.

Runnin

11-14-2014, 10:08 PM

So are Tig and Venus gonna get married in the last episode?

Krgrecw

11-18-2014, 10:58 PM

Wow

Runnin

11-19-2014, 12:19 AM

Wow
This download is taking FOREVER!

Sorry I looked forward to that. What a lame episode.

I don't buy all the crying, especially not from Jax and Nero. How can either really be surprised that Gemma would do that?

BRule

11-19-2014, 11:34 AM

Wow

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NinersSBChamps

11-19-2014, 11:40 AM

Meh. Show needs to end about a season and a half ago.

50PoundHead

11-20-2014, 03:00 PM

Meh. Show needs to end about a season and a half ago.

To me, the show took that bizarre turn to Ireland in one of the early seasons and that seemed to throw a momentary wrench into things. I think the last couple of seasons have been okay, but I think you're right that this could have been condensed.

It took me a couple of days to watch the episode. The current Mrs. 50# hates the show, so I have to catch as catch can on On Demand. I think there had to be an episode like this to set up the dominoes for the super-gigantic finale and things will start falling hot and heavy in the last two episodes. I guess from a literary point of view, this is the episode where everyone comes clean with the reality of the situation and their own role in both creating that reality and fooling themselves into thinking things were different and all actions were justified. Thought Juice was particularly good in this episode.

I imagine there will be a confrontation between Jax and Gemma, but I don't know how it will turn out. My bet is on Jax dying on his father's restored motorcycle, which was featured briefly.

NinersSBChamps

11-20-2014, 03:24 PM

To me, the show took that bizarre turn to Ireland in one of the early seasons and that seemed to throw a momentary wrench into things. I think the last couple of seasons have been okay, but I think you're right that this could have been condensed.

It took me a couple of days to watch the episode. The current Mrs. 50# hates the show, so I have to catch as catch can on On Demand. I think there had to be an episode like this to set up the dominoes for the super-gigantic finale and things will start falling hot and heavy in the last two episodes. I guess from a literary point of view, this is the episode where everyone comes clean with the reality of the situation and their own role in both creating that reality and fooling themselves into thinking things were different and all actions were justified. Thought Juice was particularly good in this episode.

I imagine there will be a confrontation between Jax and Gemma, but I don't know how it will turn out. My bet is on Jax dying on his father's restored motorcycle, which was featured briefly.

That whole Ireland fiasco was a bit odd to me as well. I was kind of turned off when I think it was last season where they were in a minefield and had RPGs. That was a little over the top and ever since that I've been less interested in the show. Don't get me wrong it's been exciting and it does a good job keeping your guessing which I what we all want.

Hudson2

12-02-2014, 11:41 PM

Damn Jax actually shot Gemma in the head!

Krgrecw

12-03-2014, 12:46 AM

Good episode.

The Chosen One

12-03-2014, 01:20 AM

Hate Gemma but I actually hate Jax even more. How many times in a series can Sutter use the "I promise I'll fill you in later trust me" stall tactic from Jax?

Krgrecw

12-03-2014, 01:28 AM

The Chosen One

12-03-2014, 01:32 AM

I tried to re-title the thread to warn that there were spoilers in here.

IN the scene where jax was telling Nero to take Jaxs kids to the farm it kinda looked like Jax was saying 'take my kids out of here and keep them away'

Kinda seems like Jax is going to take one for the team

I think that's also why they didn't show what he said to the other presidents and they cut to something else.

I think he will bite the bullet just like JT did... and Jury foreshadowing it earlier by planting the seed to Jax that his pops maybe committed suicide?

Runnin

12-03-2014, 02:03 AM

We know Jax is gonna die now. I guess the show is gonna end with a Tig and Venus wedding scene.

50PoundHead

12-03-2014, 11:45 AM

Hate Gemma but I actually hate Jax even more. How many times in a series can Sutter use the "I promise I'll fill you in later trust me" stall tactic from Jax?

Not me. Gemma is easily the most despicable character in the history of television. I can't remember if Jax read his father's entire manuscript or not, but Gemma has been spinning lies and controlling things from the beginning. I think the scene between Jax and Wendy was telling. Wendy had her issues, but Gemma was likely central to breaking up that marriage with her desire to control everything, which led to the Jax/Tara connection and we've now seen how that played out.

I haven't read that much about Sutter's process, but I wonder if he wrote the end before the beginning. The show has gone on a season or two too long with all the meandering and the season in Ireland could have been dropped completely. That said, it's coming to a satisfactory end for me.

The Chosen One

12-03-2014, 11:54 AM

Not me. Gemma is easily the most despicable character in the history of television. I can't remember if Jax read his father's entire manuscript or not, but Gemma has been spinning lies and controlling things from the beginning. I think the scene between Jax and Wendy was telling. Wendy had her issues, but Gemma was likely central to breaking up that marriage with her desire to control everything, which led to the Jax/Tara connection and we've now seen how that played out.

I haven't read that much about Sutter's process, but I wonder if he wrote the end before the beginning. The show has gone on a season or two too long with all the meandering and the season in Ireland could have been dropped completely. That said, it's coming to a satisfactory end for me.

Gemma while manipulative and despicable, at least knows what she's doing.

Jax is a wreckless idiot who doesn't think just reacts and that reaction is usually just to kill. And his stupid irrational decision making is what's getting everyone around him killed bar none. The worst and no redeeming qualities from any main character in any television show I've ever watched.

NinersSBChamps

12-03-2014, 12:08 PM

We all knew Juice was gonna get axed, but I was hoping he would stay alive somehow. Didn't like the Unser death either. They could have left that out completely.

50PoundHead

12-03-2014, 12:36 PM

Gemma while manipulative and despicable, at least knows what she's doing.

Jax is a wreckless idiot who doesn't think just reacts and that reaction is usually just to kill. And his stupid irrational decision making is what's getting everyone around him killed bar none. The worst and no redeeming qualities from any main character in any television show I've ever watched.

Jax has been an out-of-control lunatic for a couple of seasons now and while he has to be held responsible for his actions, the context in which most of his irrational acts have taken place has been constructed by those outside of himself, particularly Gemma (and previously Clay). In a philosophical sense, he's a lost everyman dealing in a world of artifice. It doesn't absolve him and as the show winds down, it becomes obvious that his lack of an authentic core clearly has unearthed his major weaknesses.

There's a generational aspect to the show that I believe is coming out and I don't know if Sutter intended that or not. To me, the main task facing each generation is defining itself. Respecting tradition, but not being captive to it. Jax simply failed at that task.

PS--Felt bad for Juice and Unser. Two of the more tragic characters in the entire story arc from beginning to end.

BRule

12-03-2014, 12:50 PM

We all knew Juice was gonna get axed, but I was hoping he would stay alive somehow. Didn't like the Unser death either. They could have left that out completely.

Disagree, I liked it, just another person that Gemma took down...he loved her from the start and tried to save her at the end and it cost him his life.

Runnin

12-04-2014, 07:10 AM

We all knew Juice was gonna get axed, but I was hoping he would stay alive somehow. Didn't like the Unser death either. They could have left that out completely.I agree. The whole Unser and Gemma death scene was very unsatisfying and missing some essential ingredient. Jax just coldly shooting both of them, Gemma in the back of the head, with no dramatic buildup. Not good. Death seems too good for Gemma. I thought Jax might frame Gemma for killing Unser, save himself and put her in prison with her conscious and her deeds forever. (There's your spinoff series. "Folsom Queen")

If Tara's death is really laying so heavily on him the show hasn't done a good job of displaying that.

Dalyn

12-05-2014, 02:01 AM

I thought the Juice scene was sweet. People can find love in strange places.

Hawk

12-05-2014, 02:06 AM

I thought the Juice scene was sweet. People can find love in strange places.

It was certainly more emotionally authentic than the deaths of Unser and Gemma.

The Chosen One

12-05-2014, 10:36 PM

Do not click if you don't want to know who dies in the last episode.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2ij2l5f.jpg

Krgrecw

12-06-2014, 12:22 AM

Man, Sutter is beyond livid that the book shipped before the series ended on television.

Book discusses the series finale

Hawk

12-06-2014, 07:13 PM

Do not click if you don't want to know who dies in the last episode.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2ij2l5f.jpg

The last entry under 'notable deaths' is also interesting.

The Chosen One

12-06-2014, 07:15 PM

The last entry under 'notable deaths' is also interesting.

Yep. I wonder if he kills him first or other way around.

Hawk

12-06-2014, 07:20 PM

I just remembered something I forgot to mention earlier: really enjoyed the Michael Chicklis cameo last episode.

The Shield was another pretty entertaining effort by FX.

Casting for SoA has been incredible, though.

Hawk

12-06-2014, 07:20 PM

Yep. I wonder if he kills him first or other way around.

Probably, although that seems so anti-climactic.

The Chosen One

12-10-2014, 12:58 AM

Well. It's over. Went down as I thought it might go down.

Krgrecw

12-10-2014, 02:31 AM

I think the ending was kind of a let down myself. I didn't read any of the spoilers, so I didn't know what to expect, but I expected more

Runnin

12-10-2014, 08:18 AM

I think the ending was kind of a let down myself. I didn't read any of the spoilers, so I didn't know what to expect, but I expected more
The end, while heavy, was a little artsy, but I can live with it. Sutter had to try and re-establish the order of the universe and there was a LOT of crap to deal with.

50PoundHead

12-10-2014, 10:01 AM

I watched this season more closely than the previous two or three (the season in Ireland was such a diversion I had to be brought back) and I thought it was a fitting end to the series. There were some short-cuts during the last season that caused the action to jump inexplicably.

Sutter tried a lot of things with the series, some of it worked and some of it didn't, but when it worked, it usually worked very well. As the show wore on, it really did become "Hamlet Joins a Biker Club" and although I thought the show posed a bit at times, Sutter did cover a lot of ground and the metaphors tended to work very well.

The show had high ratings for a cable show and I think it is going to have a solid following for years to come. As others have said, Fox seems to have a stable of stars that orbit through a lot of their shows (Michael Chiklis--The Shield, Walton Goggins--Justified, Annabeth Gish--The Bridge, etc.) and they all seemed to add some depth here.

The Chosen One

12-10-2014, 10:07 AM

My DVR is going to have a lot of space after next Friday.

4 of my favorite shows are finishing.

Sons of Anarchy
The Newsroom (Sunday)
Colbert Report (next Thurs)
Late Late w/ Craig Ferguson (next Friday)

Dalyn

12-10-2014, 02:23 PM

If everything else went completely wrong, just him switching shoes would've been enough to make the finale a hit for me. Luckily, nothing really went wrong. Great finale.

The Chosen One

12-10-2014, 02:27 PM

It was hard not looking at his shoes when they were in the warehouse transferring power to Chibbs and Tig. I'm like oh damn those are brown. He doesn't look silly now.

Dalyn

12-10-2014, 02:36 PM

It was hard not looking at his shoes when they were in the warehouse transferring power to Chibbs and Tig. I'm like oh damn those are brown. He doesn't look silly now.

I think we saw a great version of the original ending before the show got so popular and they stretched it out a few extra seasons and lost some people along the way.

Nero = Opie

Wendy = Tara

Unser = Clay

I think originally (and it actually fits the feel of the ending more), he would've confronted Clay and Gemma in the house running from him after he found out they killed his dad and all the other crap. His best friend Opie (and he even calls Nero his best friend in this episode) would've grabbed Tara and run. They might even had originally killed Tara, too, just to add to his hatred for Clay and Gemma, so Wendy could still be in this role. Either way, it evolved well enough to prove a great finale.

The Chosen One

12-10-2014, 02:44 PM

Poor Wendy.

Gets to have sex with Jax for the first time in forever and he goes and kills himself the next day.

50PoundHead

12-10-2014, 04:41 PM

I think we saw a great version of the original ending before the show got so popular and they stretched it out a few extra seasons and lost some people along the way.

Nero = Opie

Wendy = Tara

Unser = Clay

I think originally (and it actually fits the feel of the ending more), he would've confronted Clay and Gemma in the house running from him after he found out they killed his dad and all the other crap. His best friend Opie (and he even calls Nero his best friend in this episode) would've grabbed Tara and run. They might even had originally killed Tara, too, just to add to his hatred for Clay and Gemma, so Wendy could still be in this role. Either way, it evolved well enough to prove a great finale.

Can't recall those seasons well enough, but I don't see how the show could have had a happy ending. I think from the beginning Jax was star-crossed. The plot isn't that far off from Hamlet. Conniving mother and step-father make life miserable for the melancholy biker. Jax's (Hamlet's) love dies. Bodies fall along the way. Everybody dies in the end. All we needed was for Young Fortinbras to take the stage.

Dalyn

12-10-2014, 04:45 PM

Can't recall those seasons well enough, but I don't see how the show could have had a happy ending. I think from the beginning Jax was star-crossed. The plot isn't that far off from Hamlet. Conniving mother and step-father make life miserable for the melancholy biker. Jax's (Hamlet's) love dies. Bodies fall along the way. Everybody dies in the end. All we needed was for Young Fortinbras to take the stage.

I think we saw the original ending just with a few characters replaced with new characters and the storyline adjusted a bit to fit those new characters. That's what I meant.

50PoundHead

12-10-2014, 06:39 PM

I think we saw the original ending just with a few characters replaced with new characters and the storyline adjusted a bit to fit those new characters. That's what I meant.

Got it.

Forgot to mention all the religious imagery near the end of the episode. Bread and wine with the homeless woman. Jax doing the crucifix as he hit the truck. Whatever fluid mingled with the bread in the last shot (signifying bread and wine again methinks). There were a couple other instances that don't come to mind right now but that I thought were playing that angle.

Runnin

12-10-2014, 07:32 PM

Forgot to mention all the religious imagery near the end of the episode. Bread and wine with the homeless woman. Jax doing the crucifix as he hit the truck. Whatever fluid mingled with the bread in the last shot (signifying bread and wine again methinks). There were a couple other instances that don't come to mind right now but that I thought were playing that angle.
Blood on the bagels? lol

gilesfan

12-10-2014, 11:26 PM

The homeless girl. Wtf

The Chosen One

12-10-2014, 11:42 PM

Homeless girl I've read is supposed to be sort of like Angel of Death/Mr. Mayhem.

Someone always dies whenever she appears.

Runnin

12-11-2014, 12:00 AM

Homeless girl I've read is supposed to be sort of like Angel of Death/Mr. Mayhem.

Someone always dies whenever she appears.
I knew she was no homeless girl when she left all that food on the stoop.

50PoundHead

12-11-2014, 07:17 AM

Homeless girl I've read is supposed to be sort of like Angel of Death/Mr. Mayhem.

Someone always dies whenever she appears.

That's the first time I've seen her. Haven't been watching close enough I guess. But it makes sense.

gilesfan

12-11-2014, 11:34 AM

That's the first time I've seen her. Haven't been watching close enough I guess. But it makes sense.

She was around Gemma when Gemma was going to see her father, I think.

NinersSBChamps

12-11-2014, 12:40 PM

She was around Gemma when Gemma was going to see her father, I think.

Was she that chick at the trucks stop? Who was looking for money in the vending machines.

gilesfan

12-11-2014, 01:24 PM

Emily Putner appears several times in Sons of Anarchy. Always when Gemma or Jax are going through an emotional decision making process. In the episode 'John 8:32' it was stated that she is Emily Putner, the mother of Brooke Putner. Emily was accidentally killed as a result of John Teller's collision with a semi-truck and trailer in 1993. In the same episode, when Jax goes to talk to Gary Putner about his daughter's aggressive behavior, he sees a wedding photo of Emily with Gary. When Gary asks Jax why he's curious about it, he states that "She looks familiar". Gary then says that he has also often seen her. He also tells Jax that he has had other people come to him saying that they have seen her too.