Angel Hernandez Strikes Again

[CrimsonCowboy]

999112933547405312

[AerchAngel]

999112933547405312

Anti Eric Gregg?

That was down the middle.

The IRS need to look at him.

[bravesfanMatt]

Seems there is a lot of umps this year that can’t call a consistent strike. It is really awful

[CyYoung31]

I mean, it was a strike, but that catcher did a garbage job of framing it. He made it look like the pitcher missed his spot by a foot. If you watch where he sets up though, he didn’t.

Angel is totally a douche though.

[GovClintonTyree]

CB is unbelievably bad but he's not a d*ck. Joe West and Angel Hernandez are almost as bad but complete d*ckheads. Why they keep getting re-upped I have no idea.

[GovClintonTyree]

I mean, it was a strike, but that catcher did a garbage job of framing it. He made it look like the pitcher missed his spot by a foot. If you watch where he sets up though, he didn’t.

Angel is totally a douche though.

True, bad frame. But it was a strike and not a very close call.

[bravesfanMatt]

cruising around MLB highlights and saw this..

https://www.mlb.com/video/taylor-throws-out-pirela/c-2071656883?tid=63817564

They overturned that!! I give up with the umps and NY..

[Five]

I mean, it was a strike, but that catcher did a garbage job of framing it. He made it look like the pitcher missed his spot by a foot. If you watch where he sets up though, he didn’t.

Angel is totally a douche though.
First thing I thought of as well.

[striker42]

Let's take a moment to remember Angel Hernandez sued MLB claiming discrimination was the reason he didn't get a post season assignment.

[Tapate50]

The way we’ve been on that side of things a lot this year makes me yearn for robot umps. They can’t be worse than what I’ve seen this year.

Put that whole good ol boy deal down the toilet and keep that holier than thou attitude off the field

[sturg33]

Unions are bad for business... Keeps bad talent in place

[thewupk]

Guy's we can't take the human element out of the game. Then we would just have a bunch of nerds running everything which is just not good.

[CyYoung31]

Guy's we can't take the human element out of the game. Then we would just have a bunch of nerds running everything which is just not good.

I don’t think we should get rid of umpires. Just hold them more accountable.

[cajunrevenge]

blame MLB not the ump.

[thewupk]

I don’t think we should get rid of umpires. Just hold them more accountable.

We have the technology for balls and strikes and that's something I would be in favor for. Players generally know what a strike is more than most umps it seems. Keep them for fair/four and safe/out. But strikezones should be universal and not dependent ton how the ump feels that day.

[jpx7]

Unions are bad for business... Keeps bad talent in place

God forbid labor protect itself against exploitation.

[Super]

God forbid labor protect itself against exploitation.

business owners are all gods, and they would certainly like to forbid that.
not sure why you won't just bow down tbh

[sturg33]

God forbid labor protect itself against exploitation.

Tell me how Hernandez and CB still have jobs.

No accountability

[Chico]

Agreed. That was a horrible frame job

[smootness]

cruising around MLB highlights and saw this..

https://www.mlb.com/video/taylor-throws-out-pirela/c-2071656883?tid=63817564

They overturned that!! I give up with the umps and NY..

He was clearly out.

[bravesfanMatt]

He was clearly out.

I didn’t see a replay that said clearly out. Couldn’t tell if foot was touching corner as tag was applied. If I had to choose. Yes out. But would I have changed the call. No.

We have been on a few calls that didn’t have enough evidence yet had more evidence than that play.

[salmagundy]

Tell me how Hernandez and CB still have jobs.

No accountability

You can add Doug Eddings, Joe West, Holinger and Morales to the list.

[Carp]

I don’t think we should get rid of umpires. Just hold them more accountable.

Yep. There needs to be an efficiency grade throughout the year and major flubs (infield fly anyone???) result in some form of punishment like a 1 or 2 game suspension or something of that nature.

[bravesfanforlife88]

https://tomahawktalkin.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/20130525-074930.jpg

[jpx7]

Tell me how Hernandez and CB still have jobs.

No accountability

That’s on MLB, not the union. The union’s job isn’t to imperil its members’ jobs, but to ensure those jobs are fairly compensated and not unfairly exploited. It’s MLB’s job to work within such confines to set measures of accountability, to gauge job-performance thereby, and to ultimately manage employees accordingly.

Unions are the best way to ensure fair labor practices without a lot of state regulation and intervention, so (as I’ve said before) I’d think you’d have a bit more favorable feeling about them.

[DirkPiggler]

Unions are the best way to ensure fair labor practices without a lot of state regulation and intervention, so (as I’ve said before) I’d think you’d have a bit more favorable feeling about them.

What you posted above is true in theory. In many unions, once working conditions are satisfactory or above, to justify their existence they move into asking for protections and benefits that are superfluous.

I agree that MLB bears the responsibility here though. The Umpires' Union was effectively neutered several years ago when MLB refused to hire back many of the striking umps like Fatass Gregg among others. The league needs to set standards for performance and accuracy, and make performance reviews public periodically (at the end of a season) to gain the trust of fans and the teams. MLB should also be proactive in implementing any solutions that remove the human element from umpiring decisions without causing disruptions to game flow.

The biggest thing the union could do to help the situation would be to work to destroy the culture of umpires protecting their colleagues poor performance. When you have an egregious error like Sam Holbrook and the Outfield Fly, admit the error, take steps to correct it in the future, and move on. Don't put every ump out there front and center defending the indefensible. People are very forgiving and admire people who take ownership of their mistakes and try to make amends for them. Look at how Jim Joyce was treated after he cost Galarraga the perfect game. Most umps would've belligerently defended the incorrect call to the death.

[BeanieAntics]

That’s on MLB, not the union. The union’s job isn’t to imperil its members’ jobs, but to ensure those jobs are fairly compensated and not unfairly exploited. It’s MLB’s job to work within such confines to set measures of accountability, to gauge job-performance thereby, and to ultimately manage employees accordingly.

Unions are the best way to ensure fair labor practices without a lot of state regulation and intervention, so (as I’ve said before) I’d think you’d have a bit more favorable feeling about them.

As a libertarian, I can say that the existence of Unions is one of the most hotly debated topics around libertarian circles, right up there with abortion. Most of us fall into the category of being fine with most private sector labor unions. Or at least fine with their right to organize and collectively bargain. But many libertarians have a major problem with union's propensity to support statist agendas and their lobbying in favor of the state regulation and intervention. Another huge problem libertarians have with unions is the security agreements that they often make in non-right to work states. The idea that a union can essentially prevent someone outside the union from gaining employment within that sector is disgusting to us. So basically what I'm saying is: I have no problems with unions guaranteeing fair labor practices and protecting against exploitation. But the idea that unions accomplish this without state regulation is hilarious.

[jpx7]

But the idea that unions accomplish this without state regulation is hilarious.

We’re in danger of seriously derailing this thread quick, so I’ll just point out that I clearly did not say, “unions accomplish this without state regulation”, but instead that unions can help ensure fair labor practices while avoiding “a lot of state regulation and intervention”—ie encouraging robust collective bargaining is one way to minimize (but not wholly evacuate) the role the state needs to play in protecting labor.

If you want to go further in this discussion, I’d be happy to move to PM; but it’s probably best to stay on umpires in this thread.