GDT: Braves @ Red Sox 5/26

[Garmel]

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[nsacpi]

expecting a yuge game from Albies

[Garmel]

The fact that Acuna is still hitting in the 2nd spot tells me that the coaching staff thinks he's close to busting out. I hope they're right.

[msstate7]

The fact that Acuna is still hitting in the 2nd spot tells me that the coaching staff thinks he's close to busting out. I hope they're right.

This staff thought wisler was a good move to get betts haha

[Enscheff]

The fact that Acuna is still hitting in the 2nd spot tells me that the coaching staff thinks he's close to busting out. I hope they're right.

Or they finally realized they can’t predict who has the “hot hand” or who is about to “bust out” and continue to bat their best 4 hitters in the top half.

Just a guess though.

[GeorgiaGirl]

The fact that Acuna is still hitting in the 2nd spot tells me that the coaching staff thinks he's close to busting out. I hope they're right.

More like, there's no good option with rearranging the chairs ATM unless someone tells Snit to have Markakis bat leadoff, as Ender is pitcher caliber bad against left handers.

[msstate7]

Or they finally realized they can’t predict who has the “hot hand” or who is about to “bust out” and continue to bat their best 4 hitters in the top half.

Just a guess though.

I know you aren't big on batting order, but wouldn't it make more sense to bat markakis leadoff, albies 2nd, and FF third? Get markakis' obp in front of our 2 power guys, and also break up the lefty lefty of FF and markakis with a really good rhh in albies.

[Garmel]

More like, there's no good option with rearranging the chairs ATM unless someone tells Snit to have Markakis bat leadoff, as Ender is pitcher caliber bad against left handers.

That's a possibility.

[GeorgiaGirl]

I know you aren't big on batting order, but wouldn't it make more sense to bat markakis leadoff, albies 2nd, and FF third? Get markakis' obp in front of our 2 power guys, and also break up the lefty lefty of FF and markakis with a really good rhh in albies.

Albies is a sh and it doesn't seem like teams buy him yet as when he was in between Ender/Freeman teams weren't switching out their lefty even though he's dangerous against them.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Albies is starting to walk more but in that at bat he had a bad swing against a high fastball and then had a bad call.

[msstate7]

Albies is a sh and it doesn't seem like teams buy him yet as when he was in between Ender/Freeman teams weren't switching out their lefty even though he's dangerous against them.

Even better then, bring in that lefty to let him hit rh... .926 ops vs lhp and .773 ops vs rhp

ETA... that was last season stats. Here's career splits: vs rhp, .774 ops vs lhp, 1.082 ops

[GeorgiaGirl]

Nick and Freeman have been fine on this trip as well but their power has been gone.

[msstate7]

Swanson is a BA at SS

[GeorgiaGirl]

Infield hits just kill me.

[jsebe10]

Jesus Christ stop walking people.

[msstate7]

Good newcomb and bad newcomb in the first inning

[GeorgiaGirl]

This is probably better than leaving breakers in the zone but if he's going to be wild like he often is Boston is going to leave the bat on their shoulders and let him walk people.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Jesus Christ stop walking people.
At least he walked one good hitter this time

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

This is probably better than leaving breakers in the zone but if he's going to be wild like he often is Boston is going to leave the bat on their shoulders and let him walk people.

Still struck out two, to be fair. If that infield hit was an out we’re thinking Newcomb was dominant

Boston should already know that he’s wild, so it would be weird for them to change their approach just because he’s confirmed it

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Inciarte already walked

What the heck are these strike calls

[msstate7]

If newcomb got that first strike vs Flowers, newcomb would be unhittable

[GeorgiaGirl]

Still struck out two, to be fair. If that infield hit was an out we’re thinking Newcomb was dominant

Boston should already know that he’s wild, so it would be weird for them to change their approach just because he’s confirmed it

Yep.

Just continuing to say what I was afraid of because of how patient Boston can be. Probably gotta be happy with 5 good innings from him today. If its not in the zone outside of really young hitters like Devers (is he even in though?) it's likely not going to be swung at today.

The JD Martinez walk isn't bad though.

[msstate7]

This offense reminds me of the last few years. Hope we didn't peak at the beginning and it all downhill from there

[msstate7]

This offense reminds me of the last few years. Hope we didn't peak at the beginning and it all downhill from there

Haha

My boy, double and HR in last 2 ABs

[UNCBlue012]

Swanson!

[nsacpi]

dansbers

[Ozzie Swanson]

BAE!

[GeorgiaGirl]

I did not expect Swanson to be playing with topping the monster first in this series.

[thewupk]

Bae

[jpx7]

Haha

My boy, double and HR in last 2 ABs

And some great glovework.

Always be patient with Bae.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Oh god another infield hit.

[msstate7]

2 joke hits for Red Sox

[jpx7]

Would recommend thethe watch the Boston feed, if possible. Announcers are quite laudatory of Newcomb, loving his New England roots.

[msstate7]

Would recommend thethe watch the Boston feed, is possible. Announcers are quite laudatory of Newcomb, loving his New England roots.

Newcomb for betts? Haha

[Garmel]

Boston is doing a good job of waiting Newcomb out. Looks like Newk is going to have a rough day.

[msstate7]

Rather see flowers catch newcomb full time

[Garmel]

Camargo screwed that DP up.

[UNCBlue012]

We’ve done a lot to hurt ourselves over the last week.

[bravesfanforlife88]

Camargo looks awful at 3b...can we go back to Bautista? You have to take the out at third there!

[GeorgiaGirl]

Done some of his best pitching against Betts. If Camargo steps on 3rd he's out of the inning.

[msstate7]

Newcomb pretty much only has his fastball today

[msstate7]

Done some of his best pitching against Betts. If Camargo steps on 3rd he's out of the inning.

Bc betts comes up there hacking. The rest just seem to be looking for a walk.

[jpx7]

Camargo screwed that DP up.

Two not-great plays by Camargo that inning. And after I've spent the last week touting his third-base defense.

[buck75]

Just noticed with these new uniforms that Newc switched from 51 to 15. Guess he switched this spring. Carle is 51. I’m slow

[msstate7]

Two not-great plays by Camargo that inning. And after I've spent the last week touting his third-base defense.

He'll be fine. Everyone has a rough day every now and then

[thewupk]

He'll be fine. Everyone has a rough day every now and then

Mark derosa agrees with that

[buck75]

Good AB by Ender

[GeorgiaGirl]

Really would like for another 2 out knock here.

[jpx7]

He'll be fine. Everyone has a rough day every now and then

Still no excuse for making me look bad.

[Heyward]

Right down the middle.

[jpx7]

Really would like for another 2 out knock here.

Would've been nice to score one or two more. But still a nice job running up Pomeranz's pitch-count, and picking up one run with two outs.

[Garmel]

And some great glovework.

Always be patient with Bae.

Yep. Looks like he's getting back into rhythm at the plate. After saying this you know I've probably cursed him.

[GeorgiaGirl]

First real hit but Newcomb got screwed on strike three before then.

[buck75]

Old Diaz

[msstate7]

Guarantee a brave would've been called out on that pitch

[msstate7]

Newcomb doing his folty impersonation after the no call on strike 3

[UNCBlue012]

Whew. Newcomb is woeful today

[Garmel]

This is the wildest I've seen Newcomb this year.

[jpx7]

That triple pitch to Moreland was almost a Foltynewicz frustration-pitch: didn't get the painted-corner pitch for strike-three, come back with a non-competitive pitch in the middle of the plate.

And similarly, the wheels are thus in danger of flying off.

[GeorgiaGirl]

This is the wildest I've seen Newcomb this year.

He's been wild all year.

He just hasn't faced one of the beastly teams of the AL. Teams have just swung at his pitches that haven't been close.

[UNCBlue012]

Jeez, Newk. Another horrible pitch. Just stop.

[Garmel]

They keep getting weak hits.

[msstate7]

Acuna is pretty much terrible at every level of defense.

[Tapate50]

He's been wild all year.

He just hasn't faced one of the beastly teams of the AL. Teams have just swung at his pitches that haven't been close.

Ehh

[UNCBlue012]

Just stupid pitching. Lol glad to see we’re gonna screw another lead.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Jeez, Newk. Another horrible pitch. Just stop.

That was a bloop.

Last two hits were positioning hits.

[jpx7]

A definite uptick in the number of non-competitive pitches from Newcomb today.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Ehh

A 4+ BB/9 even before this game tells me that he's been very wild.

And yes, the last two hits were bad positioning hits. They both had hit probabilities under 50%.

[Enscheff]

He's been wild all year.

He just hasn't faced one of the beastly teams of the AL. Teams have just swung at his pitches that haven't been close.

Newk has been feasting on aggressive teams. It was never sustainable.

[msstate7]

I really was expecting a strong throw from acuna on that play or at least keep runner at 2b. That throw was weak for even markakis

[Enscheff]

They keep getting weak hits.

Please keep that sig. thanks.

[UNCBlue012]

That was a bloop.

Last two hits were positioning hits. I’m not making any excuses today. He’s pitched really damn awful. Luckily, he’s been way better than worse most of the year.

[Garmel]

Please keep that sig. thanks.

I sure will.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Newk has been feasting on aggressive teams. It was never sustainable.

He's going to start facing bad offenses again after this game so he'll likely do fine again.

[UNCBlue012]

Swanson on base again!

[msstate7]

Swanson another hit. Not on fastball

[jpx7]

Swanson on base again!

Swanson another hit. Not on fastball

Dansby's definitely keeping up his end of the baergain.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing poor command, but Swihart's hit was a bloop that poor positioning hurt him on. He shouldn't go back out and I'm not sure what to do pen wise.

Nice hit by Acuna.

[msstate7]

Newcomb's last 11 starts and that team's off walks per game...

Wash 3rd
Col 16th
Cubs 4th
Mets 11th
Reds 8th
Mets 11th
Rays 17th
Marlin x2 23rd
Red Sox 22nd

Not sure where you guys get newcomb has been just facing aggressive teams, but Boston is a patient team

[UNCBlue012]

Good, Acuna!

[UNCBlue012]

Freddie is the best

[UNCBlue012]

5-3!

[jpx7]

Not sure where you guys get newcomb has been just facing aggressive teams, but Boston is a patient team

Also wonder if he was over-throwing a bit, given the 200-300 family and friends his father said were in the stands to see him. Again, he's obviously had issues with walks, but he threw a lot of totally non-competitive pitches both in and out of the zone today.

[UNCBlue012]

This is a freaking joke. Lol just pitch.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Let's see if Biddle's reverse splits continue...

[jpx7]

Suzuki's pop-out looms large, now. This is why I was hoping for a couple more for the Braves out of the last inning; 7-3 or 8-3 would've felt a lot safer.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Biddle's weird reverse splits continue.

[jpx7]

Safe to say, so far, it's been Bae's day.

[msstate7]

Safe to say, so far, it's been Bae's day.

Keeping up with game on At Bat on way to miss braves' game. Was it a tough play?

[Enscheff]

Bloop hit for Flowers that nobody will complain about or even acknowledge

[Freshmaker]

And on cue Camargo hits into a DP

[msstate7]

And on cue Camargo hits into a DP

Not his day at all

[UNCBlue012]

And on cue Camargo hits into a DP I’m trying to like him but he just sucks. Offensively he’s meh and defensively he’s just OK.

[msstate7]

I’m trying to like him but he just sucks. Offensively he’s meh and defensively he’s just OK.

0.5 fWAR in 29 games. Not bad, that's a pace of 2.8 over 162

[GeorgiaGirl]

This should've been Biddle for another inning. Can't burn through everyone.

[Garmel]

Bae is a ball magnet out there.

[msstate7]

Bae is a ball magnet out there.

Good play?

[AerchAngel]

Dissapointed in Newcomb, I thought he was TOR pitcher that some posters said. You need to pitch longer than that to be an ace pitchers.

Oh well, I hope can keep the lead.

[nsacpi]

Moylan does his job...im guessing Carle next...gonna need innings from Folty tomorrow

[Garmel]

Good play?

Hard hit ball that hit Moylan and the ball went right to Bae. Bae then threw the runner out. It was all BS luck but it looked pretty.

[jpx7]

Keeping up with game on At Bat on way to miss braves' game. Was it a tough play?

Yes.


Good play?

Not especially; more right place, right time.

[jpx7]

Just the Braves' luck: flubbed ball by Betts, but runner only ends up on first.

[CyYoung31]

Eric Young looked like he was mad, but there’s nothing Acuna could do. He lost it and couldn’t risk getting thrown out.

[Garmel]

I hope Wright leaves the game.

[GeorgiaGirl]

That really should've been a leverage guy after Vazquez. Maybe it doesn't matter but still.

[CyYoung31]

And now Simpson getting on to Acuna.

[thethe]

Dissapointed newk fan here

[GeorgiaGirl]

I mean there's really not much you can do there. Maybe he should've ran, but he thought it was caught.

Eric Young was mad too.

Sam Freeman's command needs to be on.

[jpx7]

And now Simpson getting on to Acuna.

Boston announcers were much more understanding.

[nsacpi]

hanging slider

[UNCBlue012]

Ugh. We are just not a smart team.

[CyYoung31]

I mean there's really not much you can do there. Maybe he should've ran, but he thought it was caught.

Eric Young was mad too.

Sam Freeman's command needs to be on.

Acuna was running until it looked like Betts caught it. He was rounding first.

[jpx7]

Well that's probably it.

I was certain five runs would not be enough.

[CyYoung31]

Boston announcers were much more understanding.

I bet.

[Skeeter31]

Freeman is useless

[mfree80]

Acuna was running until it looked like Betts caught it. He was rounding first.

To be fair.... you have base coaches so the runner doesn't have to see everything that happens. Just do what the base coach says.

[striker42]

Freeman looks aweful. Throwing meatballs up there.

[msstate7]

Freeman is useless

Think the real Sam freeman is starting to stand up

[nsacpi]

what are we saving Carle for

[PurpleBrave]

This Sam freeman guy kinda sucks

[CyYoung31]

To be fair.... you have base coaches so the runner doesn't have to see everything that happens. Just do what the base coach says.

I doubt Young saw it right away either. At that point, Acuna is kind of hung up. That’s if Acuna even heard Young.

[msstate7]

what are we saving Carle for

He follows wisler. Gonna need Matt up in case this reaches betts

[GeorgiaGirl]

Unless the starter can go for a long period, Snit is just not very good. It's been easy for a layfemale to predict what the moves should be.

[jpx7]

I bet.

They were halfway to commercial before they realized that Betts had dropped it; so they weren't really in position to criticize Acuña.

[PurpleBrave]

This Boston pitcher looks as athletic as a bag of syrup and we can’t do anything with him

[GeorgiaGirl]

Kelly and Kimbrel are lurking.

This game is most likely over.

[CyYoung31]

This Boston pitcher looks as athletic as a bag of syrup and we can’t do anything with him

The knuckle ball is a beach.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Good lord Snit is dumb. Sometimes high leverage is earlier than you think. Winkler should've been in to face Betts after Vazquez.

[msstate7]

Bout to be 4 of 5 losses. Not feeling it anymore

[jpx7]

Good lord Snit is dumb. Sometimes high leverage is earlier than you think. Winkler should've been in to face Betts after Vazquez.

No big deal: he's just demonstrating that he doesn't belong managing this team come 2019.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Bout to be 4 of 5 losses. Not feeling it anymore

Starting to look like a 70-75 win team that was stacking wins early in the season.

[msstate7]

Starting to look like a 70-75 win team that was stacking wins early in the season.

I still think we flirt with .500 or maybe a game or 2 better. Just thought we were more serious than we really are.

[jpx7]

Dissapointed newk fan here

Might be time to pump the brakes on the "future ace" talk, huh? Right now he looks realistically more like "future Drew Pomeranz", which is valuable nonetheless.

[GeorgiaGirl]

I still think we flirt with .500 or maybe a game or 2 better. Just thought we were more serious than we really are.

That's what it'd come out to be if it was .500.

[thethe]

Might be time to pump the brakes on the "future ace" talk, huh? Right now he looks realistically more like "future Drew Pomeranz", which is valuable nonetheless.

I've said that I expect him to be up and down for another year or so.

[jpx7]

I still think we flirt with .500 or maybe a game or 2 better. Just thought we were more serious than we really are.

A 70-75-win team, talent-wise, that's played this well the first two months is still likely to surpass .500 overall. That's good progress for this organization, even if folks are thirsty for true contention now.

[Garmel]

I've said that I expect him to be up and down for another year or so.

I think by next year he settles in as a 3. Maybe higher if control improves. Definitely won't be a 4 or a bullpen piece. *snort*

[jpx7]

I've said that I expect him to be up and down for another year or so.

I'm just saying, let's not call Newcomb a failure if "all" he is is future Drew Pomeranz.

[Garmel]

When a team is this hot what can you do?

[CyYoung31]

The major disappointment kills us again.

[msstate7]

Atlanta braves
CONTENDER <PRETENDER>

Please don't trade any valuable assets to try and compete this season

[jpx7]

Well, this is over.

[GeorgiaGirl]

NL hitting is really bad.

[striker42]

I legitimately hate watching baseball in Fenway. It may be old and historic but it plays utterly ridiculous.

[TheBravos]

I legitimately hate watching baseball in Fenway. It may be old and historic but it plays utterly ridiculous.

Yep

[Garmel]

The major disappointment kills us again.

We're Braves fans. We're born to suffer. LOL!

[mfree80]

GOOD GRIEF YOU GUYS TURN ON THE TEAM QUICKLY AND EASILY.

[PurpleBrave]

Didn’t realize Theon Greyjoy pitches for the Red Sox

[nsacpi]

GOOD GRIEF YOU GUYS TURN ON THE TEAM QUICKLY AND EASILY.

you have to realize we have a lot of inexperienced fans around here who have never been in a pennant race

[GeorgiaGirl]

GOOD GRIEF YOU GUYS TURN ON THE TEAM QUICKLY AND EASILY.

Maybe it's just this is an AL East beast thing, but this team has been crashing for a while now. Now both offensively and defensively.

Think 85 wins tops and playing New York and Boston costs this team the playoffs.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

It's like some of you guys didn't expect Boston to at least win the series

[thethe]

It's clear that there are the Yankees astros / red sox and then the rest of the league

[striker42]

Laz Diaz, another of the embarrassments baseball calls an umpire.

[GeorgiaGirl]

It's like some of you guys didn't expect Boston to at least win the series

It'd be nice to win 1.

But this is going to be a sweep (if you thought Newcomb was bad, Folty is going to get his butt absolutely whupped tomorrow) and the Braves are about to face more good starting pitching against New York and Washington. This is about to be a big slump that erases all good done.

[msstate7]

you have to realize we have a lot of inexperienced fans around here who have never been in a pennant race

We have many more fans that know about a pennant race than players. 4 of our 8 position players are in their 1st or 2nd year. We have 3 position players that are on the wrong side of 30 that are playing well though, but for how long. Only inciarte and FF are in their prime. I just don't see a real contender

[Enscheff]

Freeman is useless


This Sam freeman guy kinda sucks

Love it haha!

[striker42]

This team is starting to press. It's a young team that hit a stretch of bad luck coupled with a few slumps and you're starting to see guys making mistakes

[CyYoung31]

I’ll never understand some fans. It’s like they’ve never experienced an entire baseball season before.

[Enscheff]

Camargo certainly has 80 grade swagger despite hitting like a utility infielder.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Love it haha!

People not realizing very patient teams are going to leave the bat on their shoulder vs Sam Freeman and Sean Newcomb rofl.

Guess what, the same thing is going to happen to Folty tomorrow.

[Garmel]

Perhaps getting back to playing the NL will help us. Two positive things I can say about the game is that Acuna and Dansby have looked better today.

[CyYoung31]

It'd be nice to win 1.

But this is going to be a sweep (if you thought Newcomb was bad, Folty is going to get his butt absolutely whupped tomorrow) and the Braves are about to face more good starting pitching against New York and Washington. This is about to be a big slump that erases all good done.

This is baseball. Folty could very well go out there and out pitch Chris Sale tomorrow.

[AerchAngel]

It's like some of you guys didn't expect Boston to at least win the series


Did you see the YNOT questions. After that putrid display in Philly, there is no way we win Boston with the pitching we had coming up. Teheran did better than expected, Newcomb bombed like I thought he would and no telling on other pitchers. We are becoming a pumpkin but I wish it was later. We will probably not be in 1st place after this series. We dont have a good manager and Seitzer is pissing me off on coaching the batters. Too many k's looking.

[msstate7]

This is baseball. Folty could very well go out there and out pitch Chris Sale tomorrow.

And a call up could outpitch deGrom on Monday, but I doubt it. Danger zone, we Braves are here

[AerchAngel]

This is baseball. Folty could very well go out there and out pitch Chris Sale tomorrow.

I think he will and probably rack up a lot o k's.

[nsacpi]

I’ll never understand some fans. It’s like they’ve never experienced an entire baseball season before.

it's a new thing for some around here

[CyYoung31]

And a call up could outpitch deGrom on Monday, but I doubt it. Danger zone, we Braves are here

Danger zone? We’re still in first last time I checked. You realize that virtually all teams suck for stretches during a 162 game season, right?

And I’m not one who ever thought they’d make the playoffs.

[GeorgiaGirl]

We crap on Newcomb's command, but Folty has a major problem despite pitching well this year, no one is swinging at his secondaries. They're not good enough to swing at. He's benefitted from bad teams himself.

So he's most likely going to get waited out tomorrow, exactly like Newcomb. Maybe I end up being wrong, but I'll be shocked if I'm not.

And wait, New York is just pitching their rotation with the DH? Hmmm. Braves have been able to get to Thor though.

Props Acuna.

[CyYoung31]

ACUNA WAS RUSHED HES IN TROUBLE MOVE HIM TO 9TH

[Garmel]

Acuna 3-5 today with a homer. No strikeouts either.

[msstate7]

Danger zone? We’re still in first last time I checked. You realize that virtually all teams suck for stretches during a 162 game season, right?

And I’m not one who ever thought they’d make the playoffs.

The nats will win the division going away. For us to stay in 1st we would have to keep our torrent pace. We are slowing down big time... so yeah, here come the nats

[Enscheff]

I've said that I expect him to be up and down for another year or so.

Just keep kicking the can down the road until you find someone else to pimp.

[CyYoung31]

The nats will win the division going away. For us to stay in 1st we would have to keep our torrent pace. We are slowing down big time... so yeah, here come the nats

Wow. The Nationals are going to win the division? Umm...no ****ing ****? Any other brilliant analysis?

[GeorgiaGirl]

Looking at the mets probable pitchers, I think the Braves lose the deGrom game and people get furious again and then can win the rest.

[msstate7]

Wow. The Nationals are going to win the division? Umm...no ****ing ****? Any other brilliant analysis?
Jeez dude, pop a Xanax. Danger zone = we ain't staying in 1st. You get mad at that statement, but you agree we wont win east.

[striker42]

That HR by Acuna was super impressive. He was off balance and just muscled the ball out the other way.

[CyYoung31]

Jeez dude, pop a Xanax. Danger zone = we ain't staying in 1st. You get mad at that statement, but you agree we wont win east.

That’s because the point I’m making clearly went way over your head. It has nothing to do with us making the playoffs. Let me know when you figure it out.

[Heyward]

The nats will win the division going away. For us to stay in 1st we would have to keep our torrent pace. We are slowing down big time... so yeah, here come the nats

Did anyone not think the Nats would win the division?

They're probably the best team in the NL when healthy, thanks Magic Johnson.

[Heyward]

The nats will win the division going away. For us to stay in 1st we would have to keep our torrent pace. We are slowing down big time... so yeah, here come the nats

The Braves are a year ahead of where they should be, 2019 on is when they were expected to be really good, and thats looking likely even if the Braves falter.

It's also why i'd probably not make any big trades and waste assets in a year that wouldnt turn into much.

[TheBravos]

Look...we have overachieved to this point. We are better than expected and that’s great!! We aren’t quite the Astros, etc...but we are getting there. Next year will be the year to contend.

This year we will likely make the playoffs which is great. We just aren’t quite to that top level yet, but we are getting experience. That’s why I don’t want to make the big trades this year, when next year is when it really begins.

Who knows, as the young guys get experience...we just might overachieve in the playoffs also.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Honestly, if Ronald and Swanson are back offensively that's bigger than winning one game here, as if others don't start slumping that might help the offense return.

Still might shuffle the lineup though.

[jpx7]

I legitimately hate watching baseball in Fenway. It may be old and historic but it plays utterly ridiculous.

I love it. I hate boring stadia.

(Obligatory note: I also hate suburban stadia!)

[nsacpi]

Acuna and Swanson were not as bad as people were saying yesterday and nothing they did today should carry much weight in how they or the team are assessed in terms of what they are going to do the rest of this season.

[jpx7]

GOOD GRIEF YOU GUYS TURN ON THE TEAM QUICKLY AND EASILY.

To be fair, some of us never jumped on the full-on bandwagon in the first place. Still a week until my 1 June threshold for taking any of this "competing" stuff seriously.

[jpx7]

Camargo certainly has 80 grade swagger despite hitting like a utility infielder.

Underrated skill.

[Enscheff]

Acuna and Swanson were not as bad as people were saying yesterday and nothing they did today should carry much weight in how they or the team are assessed in terms of what they are going to do the rest of this season.

You should always quote the silly comments when making posts like this haha.

[Heyward]

To be fair, some of us never jumped on the full-on bandwagon in the first place. Still a week until my 1 June threshold for taking any of this "competing" stuff seriously.

I still think we can contend for a WC spot, but Nats are probably gonna run away with the division eventually once they get healthy.

Too good of a team not to happen.

[Enscheff]

Just yesterday we were told Acuna can’t hit the fastball lol.

[nsacpi]

You should always quote the silly comments when making posts like this haha.

check yesterday's GDT

[nsacpi]

Just yesterday we were told Acuna can’t hit the fastball lol.

i see you remember

[GeorgiaGirl]

check yesterday's GDT

I've been caught...again.

To be fair a 40.4% K, although in small sampling, needs to be noted.

[striker42]

I love it. I hate boring stadia.

(Obligatory note: I also hate suburban stadia!)

I hate ridiculous walls and weird angles. It takes away from what players are actually doing and makes it more about where you happen to get lucky enough to have the ball go.

Fenway looks like a third grader was given a homework project of designing a stadium, forgot to do it, and tried to draw it out while on the bus.

[cajunrevenge]

we have hit our first real team slump of the year but I still like our chances. We have the depth for a long season.

[jpx7]

I hate ridiculous walls and weird angles. It takes away from what players are actually doing and makes it more about where you happen to get lucky enough to have the ball go.

Different strokes. I really like all those things you list as negatives. But I’m all about the http://1.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/10/43/0b9125af357a1a6e00ef3a439bd1819d.gif

[nsacpi]

I've been caught...again.

To be fair a 40.4% K, although in small sampling, needs to be noted.

Acuna's K rate coming into today's game was 29%.

[msstate7]

Bad news for the next few years is Mets, nats, and Phillies all have a legit TOR guy. Nola is a beast. We don't have that guy

[Carp]

We crap on Newcomb's command, but Folty has a major problem despite pitching well this year, no one is swinging at his secondaries. They're not good enough to swing at. He's benefitted from bad teams himself.

So he's most likely going to get waited out tomorrow, exactly like Newcomb. Maybe I end up being wrong, but I'll be shocked if I'm not.

And wait, New York is just pitching their rotation with the DH? Hmmm. Braves have been able to get to Thor though.

Props Acuna.

Lol, clearly with a 10.0 k/9 Folty his secondary pitches arent good

[GeorgiaGirl]

Lol, clearly with a 10.0 k/9 Folty his secondary pitches arent good

And he also has a BB/9 of 4.4.

And this is actually backed up by stats. He has problems getting hitters to chase, he's almost getting Ks by accident.

Look, maybe he pulls a surprise like he's been bound to do sometimes and hurls 8 shutout innings tomorrow with 11 strikeouts but it's more likely he gets shelled than that.

[Carp]

Getting K's by accident now... Wow.

Walks aren't indication of poor secondary pitches.

[UNCBlue012]

Bad news for the next few years is Mets, nats, and Phillies all have a legit TOR guy. Nola is a beast. We don't have that guy I still think Folty and Newk could become that, particularly Newk, but we need to make a move for a TOR pitcher. We’re a solid team, but we’re just screwing ourselves if we think we are there now. We need a TOR arm, big bat and some bullpen help. Still, we’re a good team

[GeorgiaGirl]

Bad news for the next few years is Mets, nats, and Phillies all have a legit TOR guy. Nola is a beast. We don't have that guy

The window for the Nationals is going to get bolted shut when Harper bolts. They'll just end up like the Mets now. Pitching but no hitting.

[msstate7]

2nd place

[Enscheff]

Getting K's by accident now... Wow.

Walks aren't indication of poor secondary pitches.

Folty does not have good secondary pitches.

[striker42]

Folty does not have good secondary pitches.

Folty's breaking ball is good when he commands it. It's the commanding it that's the problem.

[striker42]

Bad news for the next few years is Mets, nats, and Phillies all have a legit TOR guy. Nola is a beast. We don't have that guy

Newcomb's and Nola's production haven't been all that different this year. Coming into today the FIP difference was negligible.

[msstate7]

Folty does not have good secondary pitches.

How you rank our starters' stuff that you have seen so far?

[msstate7]

Newcomb's and Nola's production haven't been all that different this year. Coming into today the FIP difference was negligible.

IP difference is considerable imo. Nola 11 starts 71.1 ip (6.1 per start); newcomb 10 starts 55.2 ip (5.1 per start). If newcomb can start giving us 6 up, I will probably agree

[Horsehide Harry]

The window for the Nationals is going to get bolted shut when Harper bolts. They'll just end up like the Mets now. Pitching but no hitting.

Robles, Soto, Turner, Eaton (if he can stay healthy), Rendon and of course Matt Adams. Seriously, they have a core to build around. What they've been doing is what the Braves stated that they wanted to do, reload instead of rebuild. Harper's making $22M this year, Dan Murphy $17.5M, Gio is making $12M, Wieters is stealing $10.5M, Madson $7.5M, Kelly $5.5M, Doolittle $4.35M plus $1M buyout.

Zimmerman gets a $4M per raise (done in 19 w/$2M buyout), Rendon will likely get a raise through arby, say $4M, Scherzer jumps from $15M to $35M per (plus he gets paid a bonus and I'm not sure how they account for that) but his 19, 20 and 21 salaries of $35M each year are all deferred without interest until 22-28 in $15M installments so it looks like he's only up for $15M in 2019 if his bonus is accounted for in that year when it is paid, Strasburg has a similar weird deal where $70M of his money is deferred for years 19-23 where his carrying number per year only looks like $15M for 2019. So short term, neither Scherzer nor Stras get any kind of raise.

So, best I can tell, They shed about $78M in guaranteed contracts and look to have less than $10M in raises they will have to account for.

Cots has them at $181 for 2018, the Braves at $119. So, if you take the $62M difference there already and add in the $78M they shed, then the Braves would need to clear (or combine with an increased payroll) $140M prior to offseason 18-19, just to have as much to spend as the Gnats will have this offseason. Yet the Gnats have 2 aces under long term control and most of a core to build around. While, overall, their farm isn't as strong as the Braves, it's not bad.

I don't see them going away any time soon. However, they may be in trouble when they start paying the deferred dollars for guys not pitching in the mid 2020's.

[Enscheff]

How you rank our starters' stuff that you have seen so far?

There’s a gigantic post where I grade all the SPs stuff.

[msstate7]

There’s a gigantic post where I grade all the SPs stuff.

Yeah, I've read through those, and they're great. I was just wondering like...

1. Wisler
2. Julio
3. Newcomb

Something like this

[Horsehide Harry]

Yeah, I've read through those, and they're great. I was just wondering like...

1. Wisler
2. Julio
3. Newcomb

Something like this

I'm no expert but I think even I can do that for you:

1. Newcomb
2. Teheran (based on secondary stuff)
3. Wisler (born 40 years too late)

:flirty:

[msstate7]

I'm no expert but I think even I can do that for you:

1. Newcomb
2. Teheran (based on secondary stuff)
3. Wisler (born 40 years too late)

Haha... I know that isn't the real list of stuff leaders. I figure it's gohara, newcomb, folty, and soroka in some order

[GeorgiaGirl]

I'm no expert but I think even I can do that for you:

1. Newcomb
2. Teheran (based on secondary stuff)
3. Wisler (born 40 years too late)

Lol...if you're serious about Wisler, I honestly too have wondered if he does much better in the Tom Glavine/Greg Maddux era. Guys that are mainly command based don't do as well as they used to now.

[Horsehide Harry]

Lol...if you're serious about Wisler, I honestly too have wondered if he does much better in the Tom Glavine/Greg Maddux era. Guys that are mainly command based don't do as well as they used to now.

agree.

I don't think Glavine would have been near as successful since he would have had to be over the plate more. He learned to do that better at the end of his career. But without the early part of his career he never gets the chance.

Maddux's ball moved so much he would probably still be a top guy. He would start the ball off the plate and the movement would bring it back over the corner.

I will say that Wisler might fare better then or even now with Bobby in the dug out barking at the ump about every call and getting thrown out 3 times a week.