THURSDAY MINORS FINAL 6/14/18: Aces Dealing Today

[rico43]

THURSDAY MINORS RESULTS
All Times Eastern

CLASS AAA

Gwinnett 3, Durham 2

SP: Allard 6 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 7 K
Bell 1 IP, zeroes
Hursh 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K
Ravin 0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K (injured)
Phillips (Save, 5) 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Franco 1-4, HR (11th), 2 RBI
Avery 1-3, RBI

CLASS AA

Mississippi 5, Biloxi 4 (10)

SP: Toussaint 7 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 10 K
WP: Vasquez (3-0) 2 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 2 K
Clouse (Save, 1) 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Demeritte 3-4, R, RBI, SB
Marte 2-5, 2B, RBI
Valenzuela 1-2, 2B, R, RBI
Marlette 1-5, R, RBI

ADVANCED CLASS A

Florida 8, Bradenton 2

WP: Muller (2-1) 7 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K
Kelly 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K

James 2-4, 2 R, 3B, RBI
Schwartz 2-4, 2B, 4 RBI
Hoekstra 1-3, 2B, 2 R
Cumberland 1-3, 2B, 2 RBI, SF

CLASS A

Greenville 3, Rome 2 (11)

SP: Zimmermann 7 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 5 K
Dyals 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K
LP: Rodriguez (BS, 2-1) 1.2 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 4 BB, 1 K

Waters 2-5, R (.320)
D. Cruz 2-4, R
Ramos 1-4, 2B, RBI
Encarnacion 1-4, 2B

SHORT-SEASON

DSL Red Sox 17, DSL Braves 9
(six errors by Braves, 0 by Sox)

LP: Olague (0-1) 3.2 IP, 13 H, 6 ER, 0 BB, 3 K

Guitian 3-5, HR (1st), RBI (.343)
Paraguate 1-2, 3B, RBI, 2 E
Stevens 0-1, RBI, 4 BB

[ball4life32]

Allard starting to get more swing and miss.

4 ip, 2 h, 0 r, 1 bb, 5 so

[IslandBrave]

Waters back at it. 2-4 tonight.

[ball4life32]

Allard finishes

6 ip, 7 h, 2 r, 1 bb, 7 so

He has gone atleast 6 innings in 9 STRAIGHT starts. He’s pretty good.

[bravesfanMatt]

Touki rebounded nicely.

[CJ9]

Prospect writer watching Touki tonight:

#Braves Touki: despite velo and life, FB doesn’t miss bats in zone; CB flashes plus (doesn’t sit there); firm CH but it’ll flash too. Still don’t know where the 7 CB talk comes from. Back end rotation or just let him shove in the pen

[Garmel]

Allard finishes

6 ip, 7 h, 2 r, 1 bb, 7 so

He has gone atleast 6 innings in 9 STRAIGHT starts. He’s pretty good.

That's what I wanted to see. He needed more swings and misses.

[Jay212033]

Prospect writer watching Touki tonight:

#Braves Touki: despite velo and life, FB doesn’t miss bats in zone; CB flashes plus (doesn’t sit there); firm CH but it’ll flash too. Still don’t know where the 7 CB talk comes from. Back end rotation or just let him shove in the pen

Yet he struck out 8 guys.....🤔

[bravesfanMatt]

Yet he struck out 8 guys.....��

And K’ing 11 per 9. :facepalm:

[CJ9]

Yet he struck out 8 guys.....🤔

Up to 10 now with 1 walk.

[Southcack77]

Prospect writer watching Touki tonight:

#Braves Touki: despite velo and life, FB doesn’t miss bats in zone; CB flashes plus (doesn’t sit there); firm CH but it’ll flash too. Still don’t know where the 7 CB talk comes from. Back end rotation or just let him shove in the pen

the guy brags about wearing a fedora.

[Jay212033]

Up to 10 now with 1 walk.

Back end of the rotation or BP arm at best

[clvclv]

Prospect writer watching Touki tonight:

#Braves Touki: despite velo and life, FB doesn’t miss bats in zone; CB flashes plus (doesn’t sit there); firm CH but it’ll flash too. Still don’t know where the 7 CB talk comes from. Back end rotation or just let him shove in the pen

I'm OK with that. He could probably shove in the pen at SunTrust next spring.

[buck75]

Evan Phillips is pitching well in AAA.

[Deester11]

I'm OK with that. He could probably shove in the pen at SunTrust next spring.

Disagree wholeheartedly! It's dumb even thinking about it UNTIL he shows he can't be a starter. The clown who wrote that takes one start that was more than decent to assess that? I've seen him enough to think he's not bullpen material just yet. Maybe in a couple of years but the Touki you're seeing now is good.

[UNCBlue012]

Prospect writer watching Touki tonight:

#Braves Touki: despite velo and life, FB doesn’t miss bats in zone; CB flashes plus (doesn’t sit there); firm CH but it’ll flash too. Still don’t know where the 7 CB talk comes from. Back end rotation or just let him shove in the pen
Screw this. Touki has been awesome.

[msstate7]

Prospect writer watching Touki tonight:

#Braves Touki: despite velo and life, FB doesn’t miss bats in zone; CB flashes plus (doesn’t sit there); firm CH but it’ll flash too. Still don’t know where the 7 CB talk comes from. Back end rotation or just let him shove in the pen

Entering the game, touki stats...
Era = 3.36
FIP = 3.69
K9 = 11.01
BAA = .211

The highest BAA for him in A, A+, and AA in the last 4 seasons is .242 in A+

What's this guy talking about?

[bravesfanMatt]

So basically this guy is saying touki’s FB has velocity and life but. Um. Yeah that is what a good FB should have. Dumbass.

[Horsehide Harry]

Prospect writer is Dave Stewart

[Deester11]

So basically this guy is saying touki’s FB has velocity and life but. Um. Yeah that is what a good FB should have. Dumbass.

Some of these "writers" work at Bobs Big Weeny. I sit next to or get to talk to numerous scouts or knowledgeable people at least. Literally no one has had a report this half-azz. Touki is not all the way there, but his curve is devastating...Stewart now owns the curveball crown, but Touki's is unreal.

Prospect fatigue?

[thewupk]

Prospect writer is Dave Stewart

low blow

[bravesfanMatt]

Some of these "writers" work at Bobs Big Weeny. I sit next to or get to talk to numerous scouts or knowledgeable people at least. Literally no one has had a report this half-azz. Touki is not all the way there, but his curve is devastating...Stewart now owns the curveball crown, but Touki's is unreal.

Prospect fatigue?

He eliminated himself by just talking about his fastball. Three keys to a good fastball. Velocity, movement and location. If a pitcher is going to have two then touki has the right two. This guy should be immediately fired by his clubs gm for posting that garbage. I don’t care who it was about.

[50PoundHead]

Looks like Rome is the first-half champ in the SAL. Congrats.

[Super]

He eliminated himself by just talking about his fastball. Three keys to a good fastball. Velocity, movement and location. If a pitcher is going to have two then touki has the right two. This guy should be immediately fired by his clubs gm for posting that garbage. I don’t care who it was about.

it was a "prospect writer."
could've been me or you with a blog.

[Super]

So basically this guy is saying touki’s FB has velocity and life but. Um. Yeah that is what a good FB should have. Dumbass.

"doesn't miss bats in the zone" = 10 Ks.

[bravesguy]

"doesn't miss bats in the zone" = 10 Ks.

In all fairness, he could be striking them out looking. If we can measure called strikes vs. swing & miss strikes, is there a stat for fooled them on the pitch (whether they were fooled and watched it or were fooled and swang foolishly)

[msstate7]

Allard k9 at 6.12 this season. Steamer projects 7.01 though.

His FIP is 3.37 at 75 ip. Pretty impressive for a 20-year-old at AAA

[Southcack77]

Allard k9 at 6.12 this season. Steamer projects 7.01 though.

His FIP is 3.37 at 75 ip. Pretty impressive for a 20-year-old at AAA

At this point he’s as reasonable a chance as Teheran.

And much cheaper.

[Super]

At this point he’s as reasonable a chance as Teheran.

And much cheaper.

cheaper doesn't really have relevance here tho.

[Tapate50]

"doesn't miss bats in the zone" = 10 Ks.

Neither does Folty

[Deester11]

In all fairness, he could be striking them out looking. If we can measure called strikes vs. swing & miss strikes, is there a stat for fooled them on the pitch (whether they were fooled and watched it or were fooled and swang foolishly)

In the age of over stats though, does it really matter? If a batter is fooled enough to be called out on strikes or doesn't offer at it, is not the pitchers fault. That lazy azz writer probably doesn't even realize that even umpires are fooled by Touki's curve. His fastball has plenty of movement and flattens when he tries to guide it. There. Scouting report done.

Btw...same post almost. Ha

[IslandBrave]

"doesn't miss bats in the zone" = 10 Ks.

And he’s leading the southern league in Ks.

[Southcack77]

cheaper doesn't really have relevance here tho.

It would if you could give Teheran away. Which the Braves absolutely should do if they can.

[50PoundHead]

It would if you could give Teheran away. Which the Braves absolutely should do if they can.

According to one poster, we should be able to get one of the Angels' top three prospects for him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD5gLHaF3UQ

[Deester11]

It would if you could give Teheran away. Which the Braves absolutely should do if they can.

Same tune...although at this point I agree.

[Super]

It would if you could give Teheran away. Which the Braves absolutely should do if they can.

true, just don't have much hope for that.

[Southcack77]

true, just don't have much hope for that.


I do wonder if some team wouldn't mind that salary just for the innings with the chance that maybe he is a little better than average at that salary.

[Super]

I do wonder if some team wouldn't mind that salary just for the innings with the chance that maybe he is a little better than average at that salary.

i think we'd have to include a prospect for someone to take back the salary at this point.

[Enscheff]

Disagree wholeheartedly! It's dumb even thinking about it UNTIL he shows he can't be a starter. The clown who wrote that takes one start that was more than decent to assess that? I've seen him enough to think he's not bullpen material just yet. Maybe in a couple of years but the Touki you're seeing now is good.

Consider the source of the idea...

You're right. It is beyond stupid to stick a 22 year old in the MLB BP after only giving him 200 IP at AA.

[bravesfanMatt]

Touki is slowly arching the prospect improvement curve. It is just hard to notice.

IP. Era. BB/9. K/9. Whip.
2014. 28.2. 8.48. 5.7. 10. 1.95
2015. 87.2. 4.83. 4.9. 6.9. 1.357
2016. 132.1. 3.88. 4.8 8.7. 1.333
2017. 145. 4.53. 4. 10.4. 1.345
2018. 74. 3.41. 3.8. 11.2. 1.216

So he has improved his K rate while steadily dropping his walks. His era and whip are finally catching up. Why would anyone want to give up on a 21 year old prospect who is literally getting better every year.

[Super]

Touki is slowly arching the prospect improvement curve. It is just hard to notice.

IP. Era. BB/9. K/9. Whip.
2014. 28.2. 8.48. 5.7. 10. 1.95
2015. 87.2. 4.83. 4.9. 6.9. 1.357
2016. 132.1. 3.88. 4.8 8.7. 1.333
2017. 145. 4.53. 4. 10.4. 1.345
2018. 74. 3.41. 3.8. 11.2. 1.216

So he has improved his K rate while steadily dropping his walks. His era and whip are finally catching up. Why would anyone want to give up on a 21 year old prospect who is literally getting better every year.

people are very impatient with young players.

[Enscheff]

Touki is slowly arching the prospect improvement curve. It is just hard to notice.

IP. Era. BB/9. K/9. Whip.
2014. 28.2. 8.48. 5.7. 10. 1.95
2015. 87.2. 4.83. 4.9. 6.9. 1.357
2016. 132.1. 3.88. 4.8 8.7. 1.333
2017. 145. 4.53. 4. 10.4. 1.345
2018. 74. 3.41. 3.8. 11.2. 1.216

So he has improved his K rate while steadily dropping his walks. His era and whip are finally catching up. Why would anyone want to give up on a 21 year old prospect who is literally getting better every year.

For me, personally, I keep mentally lumping him in with the Blair/Wisler/Folty/Newk/Gant/Fried/Sanchez/ManBan group of pitchers (which has mostly been a complete flop) because he was acquired around the same time.

I have to constantly remind myself just how young he is. While it's too soon to say he definitely sticks as a SP, the steady improvements to his BB rate are certainly encouraging.

[mfree80]

people are very impatient with young players.

We have been spoiled by Albies/Acuna. Most young guys progress a little slower than they did.

[bravesfanMatt]

We have been spoiled by Albies/Acuna. Most young guys progress a little slower than they did.

Soroka too.

[striker42]

For me, personally, I keep mentally lumping him in with the Blair/Wisler/Folty/Newk/Gant/Fried/Sanchez/ManBan group of pitchers (which has mostly been a complete flop) because he was acquired around the same time.

I have to constantly remind myself just how young he is. While it's too soon to say he definitely sticks as a SP, the steady improvements to his BB rate are certainly encouraging.

Add in the fact that he had barely pitched when he was drafted.

Touki reminds me of Tom Gordon (right handed with a good fastball,a top notch curve, and not always great control). Gordon was a good, but not great starter. When he moved to the pen he became an excellent reliever. I could see Touki being a guy that gets a lot of starts and a lot of relief appearances in his career.