Missing pitchers

[msstate7]

Will we see Viz, McCarthy, or gohara again this season? Seems there's opportunity

[clvclv]

I'd imagine McCarthy is done. IIRC, they've left the door open for Viz, saying the move to the 60-Day DL was only to be able to utilize his roster spot - he's eligible to be activated at just about any point now.

Given the pen's struggles, I fully expect to see Gohara out there, and Viz in another 10-14 days if he feels good enough to go. They simply don't have any other late-game options to go to on days when Minter isn't available right now.

[bravesfanMatt]

What about Sobo. He can return today.

[nsacpi]

McCarthy re-injured his knee. He is done.

Gohara is probably done for the season too. He has been on and off the minor league DL a couple times the past month.

[nsacpi]

I'd imagine McCarthy is done. IIRC, they've left the door open for Viz, saying the move to the 60-Day DL was only to be able to utilize his roster spot - he's eligible to be activated at just about any point now.

Given the pen's struggles, I fully expect to see Gohara out there, and Viz in another 10-14 days if he feels good enough to go. They simply don't have any other late-game options to go to on days when Minter isn't available right now.

Minter was not available last night because he threw over 30 pitches the night before.

[msstate7]

McCarthy re-injured his knee. He is done.

Gohara is probably done for the season too. He has been on and off the minor league DL a couple times the past month.

Sucks about McCarthy. I've been dreaming on him coming back fresh and his old self for the playoffs

[clvclv]

Minter was not available last night because he threw over 30 pitches the night before.

I'm well aware of that, but thanks.

The point remains that other than Minter, there's no one out there to trust - meaning anytime he's used 2-3 days in a row the rest of the season, you're going to have another game like last night where everyone sits around scared to death the pen is going to blow another one.

Feels just like the 90s all over again all of a sudden!!!

:JSIDK:

[bravesfanMatt]

I'm well aware of that, but thanks.

The point remains that other than Minter, there's no one out there to trust - meaning anytime he's used 2-3 days in a row the rest of the season, you're going to have another game like last night where everyone sits around scared to death the pen is going to blow another one.

Feels just like the 90s all over again all of a sudden!!!

:JSIDK:


I don’t think anyone was scared out there. There seems to be a perception that our young pen should never give up runs. Ever. It happens. But to your point. I will take another 20 of last nights. We won.

[nsacpi]

I don’t think anyone was scared out there. There seems to be a perception that our young pen should never give up runs. Ever. It happens. But to your point. I will take another 20 of last nights. We won.

Even with the recent shaky games, our pen has the second lowest FIP in the second half of any of the NL pens.

[clvclv]

I don’t think anyone was scared out there. There seems to be a perception that our young pen should never give up runs. Ever. It happens. But to your point. I will take another 20 of last nights. We won.

Last night.

I'm all about glass half-full too, but not afraid to admit I'm in the scared to death camp every time we don't have a starter go 6+ IP right now.

[The Chosen One]

This bullpen is FINNISH.

[clvclv]

Even with the recent shaky games, our pen has the second lowest FIP in the second half of any of the NL pens.

I'm much more about the new numbers than I've ever been before, to you guys' credit, but many of them are just useful for contracts and trades much of the time IMO. When we had the big lead against the Sox and they still had all their "big guns" on the bench, I never felt comfortable regardless of that great FIP. Same feeling last night.

Minter's worrisome enough on his own - on nights he's unavailable I simply have no confidence in this pen regardless of what those number say. Everyone that goes out there has that deer in the headlights feel about them - right now anyway.

[nsacpi]

When we had the big lead against the Sox and they still had all their "big guns" on the bench, I never felt comfortable regardless of that great FIP. Same feeling last night.



You should consider the possibility that you would feel uncomfortable in those situations with 90% of the major league bullpens out there.

[Enscheff]

I'm much more about the new numbers than I've ever been before, to you guys' credit, but many of them are just useful for contracts and trades much of the time IMO. When we had the big lead against the Sox and they still had all their "big guns" on the bench, I never felt comfortable regardless of that great FIP. Same feeling last night.

Minter's worrisome enough on his own - on nights he's unavailable I simply have no confidence in this pen regardless of what those number say. Everyone that goes out there has that deer in the headlights feel about them - right now anyway.

Just useful for trades and contracts? You mean the mechanisms directly responsible for building MLB baseball teams?

Why would anyone want to understand that?

Maybe they should rely on what you "feel", or your "confidence level" when constructing a MLB team? <Edited by rico> lol...



Ed.: You were doing just fine until right there. Next time, please take a deep breath before issuing the insult. You'd be surprised how many of us can see the flaw in an argument without you twisting the knife.

[clvclv]

You should consider the possibility that you would feel uncomfortable in those situations with 90% of the major league bullpens out there.

No doubt - but the funny thing is that a big part of that 90% isn't in playoff contention.

[clvclv]

Just useful for trades and contracts? You mean the mechanisms directly responsible for building MLB baseball teams?

Why would anyone want to understand that?

Maybe they should rely on what you "feel", or your "confidence level" when constructing a MLB team? <Edited by rico> lol...

Didn't you say you're the biggest and smartest blackjack dealer in the gambling capital of the world?

How much money did people lose Wednesday because the Braves' pen's FIP went up? As much as those who lost betting on the Braves to win?

Outside of a select few people, nobody gives a *hit about somebody's FIP at the end of the day. That blasted scoreboard on the other hand, well...

[bravesfanMatt]

Didn't you say you're the biggest and smartest blackjack dealer in the gambling capital of the world?

How much money did people lose Wednesday because the Braves' pen's FIP went up? As much as those who lost betting on the Braves to win?

Outside of a select few people, nobody gives a *hit about somebody's FIP at the end of the day. That blasted scoreboard on the other hand, well...

I think you are confusing stats with actual results. There is a clear distinction. I build reports that project our bank to do 70 billion in deposits next month. People use that to set budgets, FHLB borrowing limits, and operational cash as well as the liquidity ratio. But that doesn’t mean that we will do exactly that amount. So I think you are blurring the lines of what stats are used for.

[clvclv]

I think you are confusing stats with actual results. There is a clear distinction. I build reports that project our bank to do 70 billion in deposits next month. People use that to set budgets, FHLB borrowing limits, and operational cash as well as the liquidity ratio. But that doesn’t mean that we will do exactly that amount. So I think you are blurring the lines of what stats are used for.

Not at all since I'm also a part of the banking industry.

However, the results are eventually the deciding factor. The RPs that struggle to protect leads (for reasons other than their FIP) will be replaced or left with great free tickets to watch the games for a bit just like you'll get dumped if you continually project deposits incorrectly leading those budgets to be wrong. Everything eventually boils down to the "what have you done for me lately" scenario.

Really funny (and completely off-topic) note - I consistently hear folks who make peanuts yet who voted for and continue to support Trump in the extremely poor part of the world I live in constantly gush about how great the economy is right now even though they've not been given a raise since he took office and said smoking hot economy hasn't added a single job in the area outside of a few new waitress and bartender positions. No new industries are relocating to the backwoods and wages continue to be stagnant even though the cost of living and housing costs happen to be exploding in these areas, yet these people don't understand they're not one red cent better off than they were before. They keep looking at numbers they don't understand and believe with all their hearts that things are awesome even though they can afford less and less with each passing day.

I "get" what you guys are talking about when looking deeper inside these numbers - and appreciate the points that are being made - it's just that those stats don't matter on the scoreboard, and people aren't going to games to see guys with strong FIP/xFIPs blow leads for very long...they're not going to pay to see that when they can watch it at home and see all those other numbers they don't keep track of on the scoreboards.

[nsacpi]

No doubt - but the funny thing is that a big part of that 90% isn't in playoff contention.

our pen is in the upper quartile among those in playoff contention when it comes to FIP over the second half of the season

[clvclv]

our pen is in the upper quartile among those in playoff contention when it comes to FIP over the second half of the season

Which is exactly what I bet every last Braves fan said as they were heading to their car at SunTrust Park Wednesday afternoon. "I'm still glad I paid for my ticket today, and I'll be back tomorrow because Winkler, Venters, and Brach still have strong FIPs."

[Enscheff]

Didn't you say you're the biggest and smartest blackjack dealer in the gambling capital of the world?

How much money did people lose Wednesday because the Braves' pen's FIP went up? As much as those who lost betting on the Braves to win?

Outside of a select few people, nobody gives a *hit about somebody's FIP at the end of the day. That blasted scoreboard on the other hand, well...

Your stupidity doesn’t let up at all haha.

I make at least 2x whatever you make appraising houses as a software engineer. In fact, we are well on our way to completely automating your job to obsolescence.

The folks who care about advanced stats are the people responsible for running baseball organizations. You only care about being an ignorant casual fan. That’s fine, but don’t try to talk to the people who know more than you from your position of extreme ignorance.

Nobody cares about your idiotic Sale for Jenkins, or Albies for Dee Gordon trade proposals. Every single person on this board considers you a complete joke and realizes just how stupid you are.

[mfree80]

Good Grief.... Nobody cares how much money you make or how smart you guys think you are. You are great posters when talking about the Braves. When talking about other posters.... not so much.

[Chipper]

Good Grief.... Nobody cares how much money you make or how smart you guys think you are. You are great posters when talking about the Braves. When talking about other posters.... not so much.

Some here spend so much time posting, one has to wonder if they even have a job, much less make tons of money.

[Jaw]

Really funny (and completely off-topic) note - I consistently hear folks who make peanuts yet who voted for and continue to support Trump in the extremely poor part of the world I live in constantly gush about how great the economy is right now even though they've not been given a raise since he took office and said smoking hot economy hasn't added a single job in the area outside of a few new waitress and bartender positions. No new industries are relocating to the backwoods and wages continue to be stagnant even though the cost of living and housing costs happen to be exploding in these areas, yet these people don't understand they're not one red cent better off than they were before. They keep looking at numbers they don't understand and believe with all their hearts that things are awesome even though they can afford less and less with each passing day.


I know of several new businesses that are thriving in downtown Marion, it's going through a bit of a renaissance. If I remember correctly, thats just a few minutes down the road from your town. I was also told that the plant north of town going toward Linville that makes plumbing parts was hiring recently, and I know of multiple new vineyards in McDowell county. I know some people who had a delay building their new home because of the home construction boom happening there.

For the first time in my lifetime, that entire area is on the upswing, and they did it without selling out to the transplanted hipsters or the faux mountain culture like so much of WNC did. Your take on it is surprising.

[rico43]

I know of several new businesses that are thriving in downtown Marion, it's going through a bit of a renaissance. If I remember correctly, thats just a few minutes down the road from your town. I was also told that the plant north of town going toward Linville that makes plumbing parts was hiring recently, and I know of multiple new vineyards in McDowell county. I know some people who had a delay building their new home because of the home construction boom happening there.

For the first time in my lifetime, that entire area is on the upswing, and they did it without selling out to the transplanted hipsters or the faux mountain culture like so much of WNC did. Your take on it is surprising.

clvclv has the knack about being equally wrong on a number of topics. Poltical talk can go to the real talk folder.

[rico43]

Back to the topic ... Vizcaino made his third scoreless rehab appearance Friday for Rome. Really ought to be activated Sunday.

[clvclv]

I know of several new businesses that are thriving in downtown Marion, it's going through a bit of a renaissance. If I remember correctly, thats just a few minutes down the road from your town. I was also told that the plant north of town going toward Linville that makes plumbing parts was hiring recently, and I know of multiple new vineyards in McDowell county. I know some people who had a delay building their new home because of the home construction boom happening there.

For the first time in my lifetime, that entire area is on the upswing, and they did it without selling out to the transplanted hipsters or the faux mountain culture like so much of WNC did. Your take on it is surprising.

Several of those businesses are doing quite well for the time being - they're the ones I mentioned have hired bartenders and waitresses. "Thriving" is a monstrous stretch, but they're trying to fit in to the "mountain culture" you bring up. The plant north of town was hiring - there's 100 (or so) new jobs. Add the waitresses and bartenders, and you might have 200. The "construction boom" is a mirage that will disappear twice as fast as it showed up - the vast majority of new construction stems from people who have absolutely nothing to do with the local economy, they're retirees or relocating eastward from Buncombe County trying to avoid the higher cost of living/cost of housing/higher tax values there. They spend all their money there and simply commute back-and-forth to work, which drives numbers here higher without creating jobs. It really sucks, but the people here are about to start screaming bloody murder when they see their new tax valuations - the vast majority can't afford them and still go to all the new bars and vineyards. The newness of all this is beginning to wear off, and the new restaurant/bar/brewery scene is quietly beginning to slow down because the non-locals have sampled everything and aren't interested in driving 30 miles to have a drink, and the locals can't afford $7 craft beers more than once a month if they're going to pay their bills on their $25,000/year salaries.

The largest employer in the County is still the same one that was the largest employer in the County when I graduated from High School 30+ years ago, and the area would completely dry up if it ever left for crying out loud.

The most recent big "festival" was the Bigfoot celebration that occurred today - how far do you think that will carry an economy?

[bravesfanMatt]

This thread is really about pitchers missing the strike zone isn’t it. Chuckie can’t be allowed to come back next year. Just can’t. I know you can’t blame all of it on him. But you can’t replace an entire pitching staff. Someone needs to stress the importance of strike one to these bafoons.

[msstate7]

Back to the topic ... Vizcaino made his third scoreless rehab appearance Friday for Rome. Really ought to be activated Sunday.

Great

[Jaw]

This thread is really about pitchers missing the strike zone isn’t it. Chuckie can’t be allowed to come back next year. Just can’t. I know you can’t blame all of it on him. But you can’t replace an entire pitching staff. Someone needs to stress the importance of strike one to these bafoons.

I'm still amazed that he was ever brought in, but I think the pitching staff as a whole has exceeded expectations this year.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

Getting Viz back will be huge!

[BeanieAntics]

Back to the topic ... Vizcaino made his third scoreless rehab appearance Friday for Rome. Really ought to be activated Sunday.

Back to the other topic, I'm conflicted on net neutrality

[The Chosen One]

Back to the other topic, I'm conflicted on net neutrality

Does this have to do with running out of porn?