Nelson Mandela Has Died

[CrimsonCowboy]

South African president has announced in the last few minutes. Nelson Mandela was 95

[57Brave]

Karen Finney ‏@finneyk 9m

Who among us would have the grace to invite our former jailers to your inauguration as Mandela did?
#lethatego

[Dalyn]

Damn. :Sad: What a life.

[Dalyn]

http://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2013/12/05/BostonGlobe.com/EditorialOpinion/Images/1206toonwasserman.jpg

[goldfly]

"I like friends who have independent minds because they tend to make you see problems from all angles."


RIP to a great man. He will be missed

[sturg33]

Mandela was considered a terrorist by the US Government until 2008.

Link (http://benswann.com/nelson-mandela-was-considered-a-terrorist-until-2008/)

[cajunrevenge]

"Nelson Mandela did a lot of good work, don't get me wrong. But I think I'm on track to do something even bigger. I liberate minds with my music. That's more important than liberating a few people from apartheid or whatever.

"Not to say Mandela wasn't for real. I have mad respect. I just think we need to keep things in perspective here. Anyone can be replaced. And I think I'm well on my way towards being the next great black leader. I'm already worshiped around the world. And there's more to come."


Guess who said it.

[Krgrecw]

Why does Mandela get such a pass from starting an organization that ended up killing over 100 innocent people? He founded a 'terrorist' organization for gods sake.

[acesfull86]

NT

[acesfull86]

"Nelson Mandela did a lot of good work, don't get me wrong. But I think I'm on track to do something even bigger. I liberate minds with my music. That's more important than liberating a few people from apartheid or whatever.

"Not to say Mandela wasn't for real. I have mad respect. I just think we need to keep things in perspective here. Anyone can be replaced. And I think I'm well on my way towards being the next great black leader. I'm already worshiped around the world. And there's more to come."


Guess who said it.

Jay-Z?

[Julio3000]

"Nelson Mandela did a lot of good work, don't get me wrong. But I think I'm on track to do something even bigger. I liberate minds with my music. That's more important than liberating a few people from apartheid or whatever.

"Not to say Mandela wasn't for real. I have mad respect. I just think we need to keep things in perspective here. Anyone can be replaced. And I think I'm well on my way towards being the next great black leader. I'm already worshiped around the world. And there's more to come."


Guess who said it.

Elton John?

[Julio3000]

Why does Mandela get such a pass from starting an organization that ended up killing over 100 innocent people? He founded a 'terrorist' organization for gods sake.

I was wondering when this was coming. Congrats, I guess.

[goldfly]

Why does Mandela get such a pass from starting an organization that ended up killing over 100 innocent people? He founded a 'terrorist' organization for gods sake.

hahaha

[Julio3000]

Why does Mandela get such a pass from starting an organization that ended up killing over 100 innocent people? He founded a 'terrorist' organization for gods sake.

Fighting for self-government in the American colonies in the 18th century? Heroic patriotism.

Forming a militant resistance to a government that disenfranchised, degraded, and dehumanized people based on race during the latter half of the 20th century? Terrorism.

[goldfly]

i love the label "terrorist"

[BedellBrave]

Heroes come with warts. Some are bigger than others.

[BedellBrave]

This (http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/12/07/nelson-mandela-and-the-ironies-of-history/)

[Gary82]

This (http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/12/07/nelson-mandela-and-the-ironies-of-history/)

He's too preachy, but not a bad read. No one is perfect, and no one should be viewed as a god.


Apartheid flies in the face of the Christian understanding of the equality of every single human being. Our true human equality is not based in a political promise, it is biblically and theologically grounded—unquestionably grounded in the fact that the Bible clearly reveals that every single human being is equally made in God’s image. We are separate and distinct from other creatures precisely because we alone as a species—as human beings, as Homo sapiens—we alone bear God’s image. And we bear God’s image equally, male and female, regardless of any racial or ethnic consideration; and for that matter—as in these days we must argue over and over again—regardless of any other kind of consideration, including age or process of development.

Yeah, that was funny. I'm glad he believes all men and women are equal, but in the past, people have used christianity as an argument for slavery.

[BedellBrave]

Well he is a preacher (President of a Seminary). What do you expect? :-)

Spot on read. Doesn't gloss over the bad or the questionable. Doesn't resort to hagiography. But, he also doesn't do the typical bash. Underscores the good even the historical necessity.

Sure they have. Doesn't mean they were right.

[Oklahomahawk]

Elton John?

Uh, I'll take who is the "voice of a generation" for $1000 Alex...

[goldfly]

"Nelson Mandela did a lot of good work, don't get me wrong. But I think I'm on track to do something even bigger. I liberate minds with my music. That's more important than liberating a few people from apartheid or whatever.

"Not to say Mandela wasn't for real. I have mad respect. I just think we need to keep things in perspective here. Anyone can be replaced. And I think I'm well on my way towards being the next great black leader. I'm already worshiped around the world. And there's more to come."


Guess who said it.

you know Kanye didn't actually say that, right?

it is like the onion

[The Chosen One]

Pics from White House Photographer aboard AF1 en route to Mandela's Memorial.

http://d1ovi2g6vebctw.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/qtqrait7p8p9lofnbrdc.jpg
http://d1ovi2g6vebctw.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/george-bush-obama-af1-supper.jpg

[goldfly]

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[sturg33]

Bush and Obama... two peas in a pod

[50PoundHead]

Bushie loves to hand out the nicknames. I wonder what he ladled out to the Prez?

sturg33, don't know if they are in the same pod, but they are in the same aisle of the grocery store.

Whether one likes/dislikes either Bush or Obama, I have always thought that the Prez should have acknowledged Bushie's administration's efforts upon the assassination of bin Laden. I'm sure that sentiment isn't shared by many here or anywhere.

[Tapate50]

Bushie loves to hand out the nicknames. I wonder what he ladled out to the Prez?

sturg33, don't know if they are in the same pod, but they are in the same aisle of the grocery store.

Whether one likes/dislikes either Bush or Obama, I have always thought that the Prez should have acknowledged Bushie's administration's efforts upon the assassination of bin Laden. I'm sure that sentiment isn't shared by many here or anywhere.

I always wondered that as well. Not that it is anything but a pleasantry, but I thought it was called for to be honest.

[57Brave]

I thought they came out even. Obama didn't turn Bush over to the World Court in the Hague for war crimes but in the bargain Bush didn't get credit for finding and killing someone he had cornered , didnt have the stones to pull the trigger - subsequently farming the job out to Afghan warlords. Who predictably had no interest in doing the wests bidding
Leaving one more mess for the country to clean up

Flame away
//////

Back to the pictures of Bush and Obama --- that was kinda the point of Mandela. People finding common ground -- right now--- over me

[sturg33]

Of course they found common ground, they agree on everything.

I wonder if Obama will go to prison for his war crimes.

[50PoundHead]

I thought they came out even. Obama didn't turn Bush over to the World Court in the Hague for war crimes but in the bargain Bush didn't get credit for finding and killing someone he had cornered , didnt have the stones to pull the trigger - subsequently farming the job out to Afghan warlords. Who predictably had no interest in doing the wests bidding
Leaving one more mess for the country to clean up

Flame away
//////

Back to the pictures of Bush and Obama --- that was kinda the point of Mandela. People finding common ground -- right now--- over me

I am a lifelong Dem and certainly prefer Obama's policies to Bush's, but 57, we are still committing a number of the same war crimes, if not as egregiously, certainly as consistently.

[57Brave]

I agree with most everything you say but faulting Obama for not acknowledging Bush 43 -- we separate.
There are countries Bush or Cheney can not enter for fear of arrest. The only thing that Obama has to do with that is he hasn't turned them over. Furthermore one of his first press conferences during transition he stated as much publicly
Every President has dirt under his fingernails -- That is not giving O a pass.
Nor do I really want to revisit the Bush years or his invasion / occupations

Let's just smile and appreciate that political foes can sit and talk

[sturg33]

They're not political foes

[BedellBrave]

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/obama81.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1

Couldn't resist.

[Dalyn]

Bush and Obama... two peas in a pod

Don't forget Bono. What a punk.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS951WZSfwbodyLZoXsr0PtJA_jh71yW PmGQq4IGjDo3K67qQW_Sw

[yeezus]

"Nelson Mandela did a lot of good work, don't get me wrong. But I think I'm on track to do something even bigger. I liberate minds with my music. That's more important than liberating a few people from apartheid or whatever.

"Not to say Mandela wasn't for real. I have mad respect. I just think we need to keep things in perspective here. Anyone can be replaced. And I think I'm well on my way towards being the next great black leader. I'm already worshiped around the world. And there's more to come."


Guess who said it.

No one said it. It's made up.
Genius...

[BedellBrave]

Don't think FLOTUS enjoys the Danish tart as much as POTUS does.

[57Brave]

Tart?

[goldfly]

Don't think FLOTUS enjoys the Danish tart as much as POTUS does.

tart?

interesting way to describe the Danish Prime Minister

[BedellBrave]

Yes, Danish Pastry would have worked better.

[BedellBrave]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dCSrfWFrlRI/UfwaPq8sJII/AAAAAAAAU_Q/2tc5uuDR29Y/s640/25+labeled.jpg

Course those Danish tarts look good.