Josh Johnson?

Interested in Josh Johnson? What would we give up to take him on for the rest of the season?

Here's a suggestion-who hangs up first?

Braves get Johnson and Bonifacio (if he clears waivers) but have to pay the rest of Johnson's 2013 salary (about $4 million)
Jays get Todd Cunningham

Before I get the MURPH label, hear me out:

Johnson has not been good this year, but before he was hurt he was a DOMINANT top of the rotation starter. That is the only thing the Braves really lack for a deep postseason run. Would coming back to the NL and being in a pennant race get him re-started? If so, then we'd be looking at Johnson, Minor, Teheran in a 5 game postseason rotation, with Beachy, Medlen, Wood, and Maholm available in the bullpen to join Kimbrel, Avilan, Walden, and Downs. That would be a KILLER pitching staff. But (1) can Johnson rebound to pre-injury form and (2) is he worth what it would cost ($4 million plus whatever player we sent to Toronto). I added Bonifacio in my scenario because I know the Braves want an infielder who can hit lefty.

Feel free to add your own scenario. I just thought Johnson was worth discussing.

I think we should consider both Johnson and Lincecum.

There are two big issues I see though in regards to acquiring them:

1) Beachy seems to be putting things together quicker than most would have guessed, so we may not even need another starter.

2) We may have to give up a prospect that The Jays and Giants view are better than the prospect they can get with their extra draft pick they are likely to receive. So, we aren't just going to be able to get them without giving up a very solid prospect.

I don't see the point honestly. No guarantee he's better than our guys this year or in the future. I wouldn't start him over Minor, Teheran, Meds, and prob not Beachy in the playoffs, either.

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Originally Posted by weso1

2) We may have to give up a prospect that The Jays and Giants view are better than the prospect they can get with their extra draft pick they are likely to receive. So, we aren't just going to be able to get them without giving up a very solid prospect.

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That's the key issue. From what I've read the Giants and Blue Jays plan to make qualifying offers for Lincecum and Johnson. I don't think they are bluffing. It would make sense for them to do so.

I don't see the Jays making the offer. Too risky he would absolutely accept

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Originally Posted by sturg33

I don't see the Jays making the offer. Too risky he would absolutely accept

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What kind of performance would you expect from Johnson in 2014.

Would you prefer Johnson on a one year deal at whatever the qualifying offer is or Ervin Santana at whatever he will get in the free agent market?

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Originally Posted by nsacpi

What kind of performance would you expect from Johnson in 2014.

Would you prefer Johnson on a one year deal at whatever the qualifying offer is or Ervin Santana at whatever he will get in the free agent market?

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Neither. Santan will get overpaid and Johnson has shown too liitle to warrant the $14+ million he'd get in qualifying offer. I think the best Johnson could hope for on the open market is like 3/24 and that's pushing it

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Originally Posted by sturg33

Neither. Santan will get overpaid and Johnson has shown too liitle to warrant the $14+ million he'd get in qualifying offer. I think the best Johnson could hope for on the open market is like 3/24 and that's pushing it

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I'm trying to look at this from the Blue Jay's perspective. Is there a better/more cost effective alternative for filling one of the spots in their rotation? What would it be?

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Originally Posted by nsacpi

I'm trying to look at this from the Blue Jay's perspective. Is there a better/more cost effective alternative for filling one of the spots in their rotation? What would it be?

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Probably someone like Paul Maholm. Why pay Johnson $14 million to be terrible?

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Originally Posted by sturg33

Probably someone like Paul Maholm. Why pay Johnson $14 million to be terrible?

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That's why I asked what you would expect from Johnson in 2014. While I'm asking what would you expect from Maholm?

How about no?

Neither are an upgrade over Wood/Beachy and would cost a decent prospect to boot.

I'd like Bonifacio but don't see him falling to us. I'm not interested in Johnson, he's not an upgrade over what we have. What he did in the past is in the past. He might improve a little in the NL, but not enough for cost in trade nor enough to replace Wood or Beachy.

From what I've heard, Josh Johnson, just isn't the same pitcher he used to be. He's lost velocity on his fastball and his offseason stuff just isn't as good as it used to be. That's why he has gotten hammered this season. I'd much rather have Tim Lincecum. And Emilio Bonifacio is awful. I don't know why Braves fans want him. He's an infield version of Jose Constanza.

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Originally Posted by AUTiger7222

From what I've heard, Josh Johnson, just isn't the same pitcher he used to be. He's lost velocity on his fastball and his offseason stuff just isn't as good as it used to be. That's why he has gotten hammered this season. I'd much rather have Tim Lincecum. And Emilio Bonifacio is awful. I don't know why Braves fans want him. He's an infield version of Jose Constanza.

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Constanza and Bonifacio types are good bench options, you just don't want them as starters. However, I wish Bonifacio was truly an infield version of Constanza. Say what you will about Constanza but he saves runs playing the corner outfield spots. He can really go get it with his speed. Bonifacio is average at best but his value is that he can play so many positions. Plus he can get hot and steal a lot of bases if he gets on too. I'll take him over Janish at the plate any day.