Oh, that barren Braves farm system...

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08-08-2015, 07:37 AM
rico43

Oh, that barren Braves farm system...

This is the list I came up with on Saturday, August 8, of Braves who have made their MLB debuts in 2015
(* original Braves draftee/signee)

Brandon Cunniff
Cody Martin*
Andrew McKirahan
Sugar Ray Marimon
John Cornely*
Williams Perez*
Adonis Garcia
Daniel Castro*
Matt Wisley
Jake Brigham
Ryan Kelly
Manny Banuelos
Matt Marksberry*

For good measure, these former Braves prospects also made their MLB debut in 2015:

J.R. Graham
Sean Gilmartin
Kyle Kubitza

Jace Peterson, Mike Foltynewicz debuted last year

And I'm sure there are more to come!

(Note: Martin and Cornely are no longer in the organization)
08-08-2015, 08:18 AM
nsacpi

Williams Perez has been huge. His massive contributions outweigh everyone else's.
08-08-2015, 08:23 AM
Dalyn

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Originally Posted by rico43

Cody Martin*
Martin no longer in the organization)

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08-08-2015, 08:41 AM
The Chosen One

Damn you Wren. :mad:
08-08-2015, 08:44 AM
nsacpi

Castro is going to be a useful bench player with an outside shot to develop along the lines of Prado/Infante.
08-08-2015, 10:01 AM
NinersSBChamps

It's not with having depth in the farm system at all. It's having injuries and trash at the big league level.
08-08-2015, 12:26 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Heywood

Damn you Wren. :mad:

Are we still using Wren's 'number of players graduated' as the sole barometer of the farm system? Because I see very little impact talent in that list.
08-08-2015, 12:30 PM
nsacpi

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Originally Posted by smootness

Are we still using Wren's 'number of players graduated' as the sole barometer of the farm system? Because I see very little impact talent in that list.

You have to weight it by size of contribution. Most of which is emanating from Williams Perez this year.
08-08-2015, 12:47 PM
Dalyn

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Originally Posted by nsacpi

You have to weight it by size of contribution. Most of which is emanating from Williams Perez this year.

Yep. You can't Harang this one on Wren until all the pros and cons are weighed. When dealing with something of this magnitude, it's important not to get Hinske. It won't be easy, in fact, I imagine it'll be Laird, but take your time and do it right.
08-08-2015, 01:09 PM
thethe

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Originally Posted by Dalyn

Yep. You can't Harang this one on Wren until all the pros and cons are weighed. When dealing with something of this magnitude, it's important not to get Hinske. It won't be easy, in fact, I imagine it'll be Laird, but take your time and do it right.

I'm really dissapointed that you couldn't fit a wood reference in there even though it didn't go along with the post.
08-08-2015, 01:11 PM
Dalyn

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Originally Posted by thethe

I'm really dissapointed that you couldn't fit a wood reference in there even though it didn't go along with the post.

:Sad:

I didn't have the Hart to do it.
08-08-2015, 01:12 PM
chop2chip

Quote:

Originally Posted by rico43

This is the list I came up with on Saturday, August 8, of Braves who have made their MLB debuts in 2015
(* original Braves draftee/signee)

Brandon Cunniff
Cody Martin*
Andrew McKirahan
Sugar Ray Marimon
John Cornely*
Williams Perez*
Adonis Garcia
Daniel Castro*
Matt Wisley
Jake Brigham
Ryan Kelly
Manny Banuelos
Matt Marksberry*

For good measure, these former Braves prospects also made their MLB debut in 2015:

J.R. Graham
Sean Gilmartin
Kyle Kubitza

Jace Peterson, Mike Foltynewicz debuted last year

And I'm sure there are more to come!

(Note: Martin and Cornely are no longer in the organization)

I like some of those players, but I also feel like most of those players wouldn't even break replacement level WAR which is basically the entire premise of the stat.
08-08-2015, 01:17 PM
nsacpi

Outside of Williams Perez its been slim pickins.
08-08-2015, 01:20 PM
Dalyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsacpi

Outside of Williams Perez its been slim pickins.

Yep. Feast or famine.
08-08-2015, 01:55 PM
nsacpi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalyn

Yep. Feast or famine.

Also know as Harang-Laird syndrome, where the strong crowd out the weak at the buffet table.
08-08-2015, 01:57 PM
Dalyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsacpi

Also know as Harang-Laird syndrome, where the strong crowd out the weak at the buffet table.

Gorging of the Species
08-08-2015, 04:46 PM
Horsehide Harry

Quote:

Originally Posted by rico43

This is the list I came up with on Saturday, August 8, of Braves who have made their MLB debuts in 2015
(* original Braves draftee/signee)

Brandon Cunniff
Cody Martin*
Andrew McKirahan
Sugar Ray Marimon
John Cornely*
Williams Perez*
Adonis Garcia
Daniel Castro*
Matt Wisley
Jake Brigham
Ryan Kelly
Manny Banuelos
Matt Marksberry*

For good measure, these former Braves prospects also made their MLB debut in 2015:

J.R. Graham
Sean Gilmartin
Kyle Kubitza

Jace Peterson, Mike Foltynewicz debuted last year

And I'm sure there are more to come!

(Note: Martin and Cornely are no longer in the organization)

Mostly a bag full of spare parts except for those who Hart traded for. Perez has been serviceable and maybe could have been more than that had he not been hurt. I can't see where Wren gets extra credit for any of this...not that I really care.

Either way, the Farm system was broken and had to be fixed. Pushing out 10 one second wonders a year doesn't equal the value of 1 long term core player in 5 years. The waiver wire is full of the kind of guys Wren was bringing to the Braves the last few years.
08-08-2015, 06:17 PM
KB21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horsehide Harry

Mostly a bag full of spare parts except for those who Hart traded for. Perez has been serviceable and maybe could have been more than that had he not been hurt. I can't see where Wren gets extra credit for any of this...not that I really care.

Either way, the Farm system was broken and had to be fixed. Pushing out 10 one second wonders a year doesn't equal the value of 1 long term core player in 5 years. The waiver wire is full of the kind of guys Wren was bringing to the Braves the last few years.

I agree with this. Under Wren, the Braves had a lot of success adding guys who were "system" guys that improved the overall depth of the farm system with "system" players, but there were very, very few difference makers who are long term prospects for the team. I guess I should say under Wren/DeMacio, as it was a Roy Clark lead scouting staff that signed Julio Teheran, Christian Bethancourt, brought in Arodys Viscaino the first time, drafted Freddie Freeman...etc. The only long term guy the DeMacio lead drafts produced was Andrelton Simmons. You could have made a case for Alex Wood, but he is now gone. Right now, we have hope in Braxton Davidson and Ozhaino Albies, but they are both still far away at this point.

In the last year though, the Braves have added extremely high upside pieces in Max Fried, Touki Toussaint, Kolby Allard, Mike Soroka, Austin Riley, Lucas Herbert, and I'll even say Bradley Keller along with international signings Leodys Baez, Derian Cruz, and Christian Pache. If they do add Kevin Maitan next year along with some more international bats to go along with whatever pitching they add in the draft (Alex Speas maybe), the Braves system will suddenly be back to what it once was with a lot of high upside talent in the system.
08-10-2015, 01:35 PM
sturg33

The Braves have two top 100's on the updated mlb.com list.

Albies and Touki.

Link
08-10-2015, 04:44 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by sturg33

The Braves have two top 100's on the updated mlb.com list.

Albies and Touki.

Link

Interesting. They just put out a midseason top 30 list that had Wisler in between Albies and Toussaint. I guess they decided in that short time frame that Wisler is no longer a prospect?

ETA: You missed Allard. They have him right at 100...interestingly behind Ashe Russell and Mike Nikorak, which I find stupid. But whatever.