Yeah, while Heyward and Upton had a year of control each, Sale and Eaton were signed to longer-term, team-friendly deals. Their return for Eaton isn't looking so good at the moment.
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I wonder if the Mets would part with Plawecki for cheap. He's hit well in the minors the last two years, plays strong defense, but has never gotten a real shot in the majors.
What would it take to get Castellanos from Detroit? Would he be a nice buy low target? Detroit needs pretty much everything to start over.
No, you are bending over backwards to compliment the White Sox for blowing up a team and trading near elite young players with years of team control remaining for prospects.
Sale, Quintana, Eaton would all have been on the White Sox at excellent contracts through 2019. It's not a mystery why they would have been been able to get more for them than the Braves got for lesser players.
If you want to quibble about the various deals the Braves made, that's perfectly ok. But all the White Sox have done is sell off great assets for, in some cases, great prospects.
I don't give them a special prize for that any more than I give Coppy credit for being able to replenish a farm system by blowing a team up and doing everything in his power to get more assets. They've both managed to pull off one of the easier tasks in baseball. Building a farm system when you don't have to worry a great deal about the immediate major league record. I'm not that impressed by that though I do appreciate it as a valid strategy.
In that case (and assuming Coppy would sell and the organization would go completely young in 2018)...
1.) Julio and Vizcaino to Houston for Derek Fisher and Garrett Stubbs.
2.) Garcia and Adams to the Yankees for Andujar and Jorge Guzman.
3.) Dat Dude and Markakis to Kansas City for Seuly Matias and Kahlil Lee.
Sign a Lance Lynn/Alex Cobb type veteran on a shorter term deal to replace Julio in the rotation since they have injury histories, pick up Dickey's option, and promote everybody (other than maybe Acuna) to start 2018. Albies takes over at 2B, Andujar takes over at 3B, Fisher takes over in RF (and slides to LF when Acuna comes up).
The Sox sold their asserts for maximum future value.
The Braves did not.
I'm not sure how anyone can logically suggest any differently.
I also don't see how anyone can claim the process the Sox used is anything other than superior to the process the Braves used.
Anyways, I look forward to your reply proving your unflinching support of the Braves FO.
You never understand how anyone could possibly claim anything different from whatever it is you purport believe at a given instant, so it isn't that surprising.
I am certainly glad that the White Sox after deciding to raise a white flag got a reasonable return on their extremely valuable assets. I'm semi-erect thinking about it actually.
None of our assets were as valuable as Sale, IMO. But I think Jupton, Heyward, and Kimbrel were all better than Eaton or Quintana. The White Sox for sure got more high ceiling talent for Eaton and Q than we did for Jupton and Kimbrel. I don't see how that could be argued. Heyward turned into a high ceiling move when we traded Miller but honestly that was pretty lucky. I think we still have a better farm overall due to depth and we are finally getting top heavy. We actually got most of our talent through the draft and international market, not trades. But the shear speed the Sox have obtained their best prospects and current depth is quite staggering anyway you look at it. The only thing, IMO, they doesn't put them over is now is the regression of Giolito and Lopez.
I always come back to a rival executive saying: I know what Coppy says, but I can get Teheran any time I want.
It comes back to no one actually thinking Teheran was anywhere near as good as his numbers. Braves fans didn't believe it and rival front offices didn't believe it. So every time we talk about their mistake in not trading him the comparison is made to some much better player who was traded for elite prospects. Two years ago, he wasn't very good coming off a 4 ERA/4.5 FIP type season. Selling high last year would have been great, but you have to get a high offer to sell high.
And the reality is he wasn't bringing back those elite prospects and the Braves have more use then and now for Teheran to be in their rotation than they do to have another starting pitcher prospect or another Dustin Peterson, Ruiz, Mallex Smith. It only made sense to trade him if you really liked the return. And I'm perfectly fine and happy that they made that decision.
Just like the White Sox are undoubtably happy they didn't sell Quintana earlier for less than they wanted to get back.
Lol and what's your claim? That the Braves couldn't have gotten a huge package for Julio 2 years ago?
Surplus value has been proven accurate on every major trade that has went down over the last few years except one. That one trade got Dave Stewart fired.
Yet you contend we don't know the kind of package Julio would have commanded? Your reasoning is that an actual deal never happened. Pure willing ignorance on your part. Simple as that.
I mean they are all prospects. The Braves probably won't get that great a return out of all the depth. Bragging about the system by either team is probably overstating how great an accomplishment they've made.
I disagree with you about Heyward and Upton.
You are undoubtably correct that Kimbrell would have gotten a bigger return by himself. Probably not what you are thinking based on the deals made last trade deadline, but more sure.