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Prospect digest 10 prospect listing
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That's quite the aggressive ranking for Gohara. The write ups overall are great though.
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having Gohard as our best LHP is a bit of a stretch. He was great last year, but like Touki and Fried.. I need more before moving them ahead of even the likes of Newk..
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That statistic about Albies and Trout is amazing.
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bravesfanMatt
having Gohard as our best LHP is a bit of a stretch. He was great last year, but like Touki and Fried.. I need more before moving them ahead of even the likes of Newk..
He has the stuff and build to be a TOR pitcher. I think everyone tries to look for linear progression but that's just not the case. At any point in time a prospect can bust or breakout. Seems like the scouts think Gohara is ready to break out in a big way
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thethe
He has the stuff and build to be a TOR pitcher. I think everyone tries to look for linear progression but that's just not the case. At any point in time a prospect can bust or breakout. Seems like the scouts think Gohara is ready to break out in a big way
I agree.. but now he has to sustain that for me to move him. Just like Fried and Touki.. even Newk to a level... all have to repeat their improvements. If they do, they fly up the boards imo..
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thethe
That statistic about Albies and Trout is amazing.
That was kinda cool.
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Best thing about this write-up is that the guy goes back and owns up to the bad projections he made. He then breaks it down in an attempt to analyze and learn from it. That is a sign of a sound logical thinker.
However, he is clearly just scouting the stat line, and sprinkling in recent draft picks based on where they were selected. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't watched a single one of these prospects in person, and has zero scouting acumen.
Finally, any Braves Top 10 list that excludes Acuna is pretty poor, and shows the list has zero foundation in scouting. In fact, it means the author also has zero connections inside the industry and bases his rankings on zero professionally compiled information.
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This was a ... unique list. But I liked it. You guys are right, the write-ups are super solid. Gohara being number 4 is a bit silly, but it would be great if he can get that high
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UNCBlue012
This was a ... unique list. But I liked it. You guys are right, the write-ups are super solid. Gohara being number 4 is a bit silly, but it would be great if he can get that high
I wasn't saying he couldn't make it that high.. just don't think he is there yet. He needs to report in shape and repeat that season. if he does.. then he is blasting up the list for me. He will be like Newk.. a TOR ceiling or High leverage RP floor...
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Enscheff
Best thing about this write-up is that the guy goes back and owns up to the bad projections he made. He then breaks it down in an attempt to analyze and learn from it. That is a sign of a sound logical thinker.
However, he is clearly just scouting the stat line, and sprinkling in recent draft picks based on where they were selected. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't watched a single one of these prospects in person, and has zero scouting acumen.
Finally, any Braves Top 10 list that excludes Acuna is pretty poor, and shows the list has zero foundation in scouting. In fact, it means the author also has zero connections inside the industry and bases his rankings on zero professionally compiled information.
I disagree that it's ridiculous not to have Acuņa in the top 10. He has a pretty small sample (that I'm sure this guy hasn't seen), and he hasn't made it to AA. Do I agree with Riley ahead of Acuņa? Heck no, but I can see why someone could.
Also, I think his goal is to use data analytics to have more success in predicting breakout candidates.
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Originally Posted by
Enscheff
Best thing about this write-up is that the guy goes back and owns up to the bad projections he made. He then breaks it down in an attempt to analyze and learn from it. That is a sign of a sound logical thinker.
However, he is clearly just scouting the stat line, and sprinkling in recent draft picks based on where they were selected. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't watched a single one of these prospects in person, and has zero scouting acumen.
Finally, any Braves Top 10 list that excludes Acuna is pretty poor, and shows the list has zero foundation in scouting. In fact, it means the author also has zero connections inside the industry and bases his rankings on zero professionally compiled information.
Yep, I like the info and his willingness to both have strong opinions that differ from the norm, and to own up when he's wrong.
I don't really mind the fact that he's just scouting the stat line. It obviously makes his rankings even more of a crapshoot, but because pretty much every list includes some scouting, I think it can be good to just see where guys stack up on pure numbers. And his CAL model looks intriguing. One thing's for sure - that model LOOOOOOVES Albies. Lindor, Profar, Machado, and JP Crawford as his top 4 comps? Uh...
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smootness
Yep, I like the info and his willingness to both have strong opinions that differ from the norm, and to own up when he's wrong.
I don't really mind the fact that he's just scouting the stat line. It obviously makes his rankings even more of a crapshoot, but because pretty much every list includes some scouting, I think it can be good to just see where guys stack up on pure numbers. And his CAL model looks intriguing. One thing's for sure - that model LOOOOOOVES Albies. Lindor, Profar, Machado, and JP Crawford as his top 4 comps? Uh...
So MY take away from this is that Ozzie is mix of Trout and Lindor... cool!!
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Ventura's Stolen Bases
I disagree that it's ridiculous not to have Acuņa in the top 10. He has a pretty small sample (that I'm sure this guy hasn't seen), and he hasn't made it to AA. Do I agree with Riley ahead of Acuņa? Heck no, but I can see why someone could.
Also, I think his goal is to use data analytics to have more success in predicting breakout candidates.
So Acuna is out of the Top 10 based on limited data, but Maitan, Anderson and Allard are in despite limited data?
The guy is clearly doing nothing but scouting the stat line, and then sprinkling in guys like Anderson and Maitan based on where they were or would be drafted. He literally said as much in the Maitan blurb.
No other credible prospect list has Acuna outside the Braves Top 10. It is laughable for any "expert" to exclude him.
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Ventura's Stolen Bases
I disagree that it's ridiculous not to have Acuņa in the top 10. He has a pretty small sample (that I'm sure this guy hasn't seen), and he hasn't made it to AA. Do I agree with Riley ahead of Acuņa? Heck no, but I can see why someone could.
Also, I think his goal is to use data analytics to have more success in predicting breakout candidates.
How dare you!?!?! Questioning the unquestioned one is an unpardonable offense.
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Originally Posted by
Enscheff
So Acuna is out of the Top 10 based on limited data, but Maitan, Anderson and Allard are in despite limited data?
The guy is clearly doing nothing but scouting the stat line, and then sprinkling in guys like Anderson and Maitan based on where they were or would be drafted. He literally said as much in the Maitan blurb.
No other credible prospect list has Acuna outside the Braves Top 10. It is laughable for any "expert" to exclude him.
Not really going to question any list for the Braves since I think 3-12 are all open for debate IMO. I think Acuna could be as high as 4 and could make a case for 10th best. So I don't have too much beef with this. I disagree, but not going to completely dismiss him..
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bravesfanMatt
Not really going to question any list for the Braves since I think 3-12 are all open for debate IMO. I think Acuna could be as high as 4 and could make a case for 10th best. So I don't have too much beef with this. I disagree, but not going to completely dismiss him..
I can appreciate that point of view, but a prospect guy has to be consistent. If Acuna hasn't proven enough, then neither has Maitan, Anderson or Allard.
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clvclv
How dare you!?!?! Questioning the unquestioned one is an unpardonable offense.
Another insightful gem by the resident genius.
Care to impart some more wisdom on us like you did with your Sale trade proposal?
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Enscheff
Another insightful gem by the resident genius.
Care to impart some more wisdom on us like you did with your Sale trade proposal?
Please.
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My take on this....it really reminds me how bad the Simmons trade has turned out. To think what we gave up to get Gohara and then realize the ONLY player we have left that we received from the Simmons trade is Newcomb. I agree Gohara is way high, but comparing their ages...he IS probably the better prospect. If Newcomb doesn't become AT least a solid #2 starter....this trade was down right horrible.