Hadn't seen this posted...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/1...n-heyward.html
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Hadn't seen this posted...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/1...n-heyward.html
Might as well shop Freddie too. We're going nowhere. Might as well plan for 2020.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOMED.
If something like Walker from Seattle is the return, and then Hart goes out and signs Tomas, this could end up being a pretty good offseason as far as reloading the organization with young talent is concerned.
It will be interesting to see what Justin brings relative to Jason. It would be one more data point on how teams value defense relative to offense.
Getting to watch Justin has nearly made up for having to watch his brother. If we do trade him, and I think we will, I hope he goes on to have a great career.
Maybe this is all really being done just to piss off Terence Moore...
He wasn't offered a contract, so you can't really say that....despite what the rumors are. You have no way to know what Jason would have said if we offered him a contract with T, Freddie, Simmons. Rumors are rumors and they might be from good sources but those rumors are after we never offered him a contract.
Good lord people
From the get-go, I thought it would make more sense to shop J. Upton before Heyward because the return would be higher and the team would have a better idea after that trade as to what needs were and how those needs could be balanced with the current number of movable assets. Seems they got things a little backward. I could live with a draft pick for one of the two, but not for both of the two. Seems to be a bit of an overreaction and impatience.
I think both sides knew the parameters of what each side would be willing to offer/sign. This isn't a take it or leave it business, but if the Stanton contract is the new normal for top-end players, Heyward wanted to at least be in the low-rent part of that neighborhood.
PS--I should amend that to "Heyward likely wanted." We don't know what he wants exactly.
This board will explode when Jason extents with Stl for 6 years, 120 million.
Because you can say whatever you want but if someone offers you 150 mil, it's hard to say no. Granted Jason might have said no and probably would have BUT at least we would have tried and made offer.....rather than just throwing our hands up and saying "yeah he wasn't signing with us"
Precisely.
Why is this so hard to understand? Red Sox did this with Lester last offseason.
Although I'm beginning to wonder, more and more, if the Braves FO simply didn't like Heyward. It makes more sense than any of these other half-baked scenarios floating around.
When we trade JUp, will we then keep Gattis this season? Or will we trade him, too?
Dave Cameron made a compelling argument on fangraphs that Upton should not cost more then Heyward.
I honestly think Hart will be lucky to get Walker or Paxton for 1 year of JUp. Remember, the Cards "loved" Heyward and only gave up Shelby Miller for him.
I would imagine Heyward and JUp have very similar trade values right now (Heyward is cheaper with a better all around game, JUp with the most coveted RH power), so if Hart gets Walker plus anything else for JUp he should be lauded.
I like the idea of trading Justin for Walker but I want a little quantity to go with trading Justin and Heyward. I want at least a couple marginal prospects thrown in. We need the depth.
If I am Hart I am trying to expand the deal to get them to take Chris Johnson and/or include DJ Peterson without giving up any of our core players. Maybe something like Justin/Johnson/Gattis for Walker/Peterson/Gurrero/Kivlehan. High price to pay but it would make the Mariners instant world series favorites.