Braves Trade Heyward, Walden to Cardinals for Miller and Tyrell Jenkins

Going to be interesting to see what Heyward can do when he's not batting lead off and doesn't have oscillating fans behind him striking out 8 of 10 times

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Originally Posted by Dalyn

Walden is worth more than Jenkins. So you are telling me Shelby Miller is worth more than Heyward? What a ****ing joke.

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You clearly don't know anything about Jenkins. He's taken some time to develop but he's got top of the rotation potential. I'm not saying you have to like the trade or agree with it but this is a very solid haul for one year of Heyward.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonCowboy

Bummed, but not shocked. If the Braves tried to sign him long term, but was not successful (as I'm seeing on Twitter), then you had to trade him. I hate to see him to go and I wish we could have gotten more, but that's the nature of baseball sometimes.

I mentioned a few days ago, this could be an uncomfortable offseason. Sometimes, the changes you make are the ones that are the most uncomfortable. Brace yourselves, because I don't think the Braves are done dealing.

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They aren't and Hart warned us. One of the reason's JS wanted Hart in the primary position for now is because of this, as it would be a huge undertaking for a talented guy like JC to doing such a thing.

I have to believe this is because they don't think JHey will ever hit like he did as a rookie.

I don't understand trading for a number 3 starter. The Braves can crank out number 3 starters in their sleep. If you trade JHey I want a long term answer with star potential position player.

If this is the route.......fire sale. As long as you get more return than this.

I'm sure some will say it's only 1 year of JHey + draft pick compensation. That's true, but you need to get blown away to trade him this early.

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Originally Posted by MadduxFanII

I'm going to be really ****ing pissed if we start hearing dark intimations about Heyward's character and unreasonable contract demands through DOB and Bowman. I mean really pissed.

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Here's hoping that doesn't become part of the prattling that will undoubtedly accompany a move as big as this.

Think anyone with half a brain knew Heyward wasn't staying here long term and it was a risk to sign him to big dollars as it is due to his lack of offensive production.

But, Shelby Miller? Really, not like Shelby Miller and a top 10 prospect? Not Shelby Miller and Matt Carpenter? Not Shelby Miller and someone good at the very least?

I'm shocked.

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Originally Posted by Millwood1Hitter

I heard that we have interest in a high upside arm that might be available in the Mexican leagues, and are willing to part with Freeman to acquire him along with a token of appreciation for letting use have Julio Franco in 2001-2002.

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His name is Jorge Campillo...lol

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Zach Klein
@ZachKleinWSB
MLB source - This is just the beginning. Only players safe are top-3 pitchers, Kimbrel, Freddie and Simmons"

WTF.

Some positives to take away, Miller finished this yr on a roll with a 2.95 ERA over his last 12 starts. May be something clicked for him.

Bummed, but not shocked. If the Braves tried to sign him long term, but was not successful (as I'm seeing on Twitter), then you had to trade him. I hate to see him to go and I wish we could have gotten more, but that's the nature of baseball sometimes.

I mentioned a few days ago, this could be an uncomfortable offseason. Sometimes, the changes you make are the ones that are the most uncomfortable. Brace yourselves, because I don't think the Braves are done dealing.

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Originally Posted by emk418

You clearly don't know anything about Jenkins. He's taken some time to develop but he's got top of the rotation potential. I'm not saying you have to like the trade or agree with it but this is a very good haul for one year of Heyward.

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How many surgeries has Jenkins had on his arm? We have no clue what we are going to get from that guy.

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Originally Posted by NYCBrave

I know people are upset right now, but when you calm down and the smoke clears, a few things become evident.

Let's face it, we had to move Heyward. He wasn't re-signing here, and we weren't outbidding anyone for him on a long term deal.

I know we had dreams of getting a huge Teixera like haul from someone, but Heyward has 1 year left on his deal, and he hasn't lived up to his hitting potential yet. I think we're valuing him more than the league at this point.

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Care to comment on what we should expect from Miller and Jenkins? I'm curious.

Heyward wasn't going to sign here long term. We got a high ceiling pitcher in return.

I don't see what the issue was. The real dumb decision would be to let him walk for a comp pick next yeAR.

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Originally Posted by gilesfan

Think anyone with half a brain knew Heyward wasn't staying here long term and it was a risk to sign him to big dollars as it is due to his lack of offensive production.

But, Shelby Miller? Really, not like Shelby Miller and a top 10 prospect? Not Shelby Miller and Matt Carpenter? Not Shelby Miller and someone good at the very least?

I'm shocked.

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THIS....I'm shocked.....I knew we we're gonna rebuild, reload, whatever you want to call it, but we didn't get enough IMO.

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Originally Posted by Carp

Some positives to take away, Miller finished this yr on a roll with a 2.95 ERA over his last 12 starts. May be something clicked for him.

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That's like saying, "Hey, I just cut my penis off -- but the Dr. may be able to give me prosthetic."

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Originally Posted by Millwood1Hitter

They aren't and Hart warned us. One of the reason's JS wanted Hart in the primary position for now is because of this, as it would be a huge undertaking for a talented guy like JC to doing such a thing.

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Or Hart is in there to make all the unpopular moves before he turns over the clean slate to Coppolella.

#DoumitforRF

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Originally Posted by Millwood1Hitter

So JS, Bobby, and to a certain degree Hart (although he wasn't apart of it) think it is 1988 it appears and stockpiling as many high upside arms as possible and try to build this thing from the ground up?

Except take Heyward and Upton out of this equation and where is our Gant, Justice, etc?

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Gant would be Gattis obviously. We don't have a Justice.

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Originally Posted by thethe

Heyward wasn't going to sign here long term. We got a high ceiling pitcher in return.

I don't see what the issue was. The real dumb decision would be to let him walk for a comp pick next yeAR.

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I'm going to take a few breathes before I bash it. I'm reading comments from other fans who think it's really smart. Heyward wasn't signing here...you get a quality arm signed for several more years.