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gms can be team cancers too
Who is Coppella? Is he the guy who founded Coppella University?
McGuirk... this is... ewww
It’s readily apparent no one in this organization has any interest in taking accountability.
If Mr. McGuirk believed Coppy was such a cancer then maybe Mr. McGuirk should have taken steps to remove him instead of waiting around for MLB to curb stomp the franchise.
Who was the bigger cancer. Wren or Coppy?
Powerhouse FO
think they were equally poor all-aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by thewupk
I am not going to use the word cancer like others have. Don't like that and should never be used to describe a person. I've done so in the past, and won't ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by thewupk
With that said, although Coppy crippled our signing ability in the International Pool, and left a stain on the franchise, I still don't like Wren, as a GM, more.
The signing of Melvin Upton left a bad taste in my mouth. Didn't like it at the time. I couldn't believe fans wanted him here in the first place. He wasn't a good ball player before he signed with us and sure wasn't while he was here. The fact that we could've got a whole lot more in a trade for Kimbrel if we didn't need to get rid of Melvin's remaining contract. Ohh..Don't let me forget the Nate McLouth trade fiasco. And then there is the fact that our farm system was a wasteland during his time. But, don't get me wrong. He made some good trades as well though.
Also, Coppy had his fair share of bad trades/signings. His biggest bad trade was Alex Wood, Jose Peraza and others for Olivera and others, which included Wentz. The rules violations that he committed will be the thing that he will be remembered for though.
McGuirk should've been gone with the rest of them. Liberty needs to put him in charge of hotel room porn sales, not their baseball team.
which one was in charge when we signed Albies and Acuna?Quote:
Originally Posted by Super
I'm sure wren has a lot to do with signing those guys. How my times did he scout them? How many times did people he hire scout them?Quote:
Originally Posted by nsacpi
So Wren didn't have much to do with signing those international free agents. But Coppy gets banned from MLB for his dealings with international free agents?Quote:
Originally Posted by thethe
That was the decision to move around millions of dollars which needs high level approval.Quote:
Originally Posted by thewupk
Signing two guys for 100k and 300k is a rounding error and that leway is given to the international department.
After Wren was fired there was an overhaul of our international scouting team. It seems to me Wren was evaluated and fired partly on the grounds he and his team were not bringing in enough talent. It seems reasonable to bring up Albies and Acuna in any retrospective discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by thewupk
Can you create an actual line from those signings to wren aside from the fact he had the title?Quote:
Originally Posted by nsacpi
people get hired and fired all the time based on how subordinates perform...thats what being a manager is all aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by thethe
But we're those signing on autopilot or did Wren actually have something to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nsacpi
Did he know who they were before they were signed? He may have but to assume one way or another to have a 'gotcha ' comment is silly.
The key points...
"But winning is needed to regain the trust of the fan base. The team’s brand has been damaged -- by this offseason, by perceptions that the Braves have become an organization that cares more about lucrative real estate transactions than winning and by four consecutive losing seasons."
McGuirk, Schiller and Plant all maintain that the Braves’ commercial real estate business, punctuated by the development of The Battery Atlanta, all is about giving Anthopoulos money to spend on players.
“We’ve cleared the deck for next year,” McGuirk said. “There will be very few teams that have as much to spend in the marketplace next winter as the Atlanta Braves. The opportunity to spend is there. But it will be done judiciously and sequentially when Alex says it’s time.”
Big words. You hope to keep from backing yourself into that type of corner, but if you read that from a typical fan's standpoint they almost HAVE TO play at the top of the market and offer whatever it takes to land a Donaldson/Machado/Harper next winter - anything less will result in those folks calling them liars and possibly jumping ship for good. Just another situation where those who don't care about things like service-time will be able to point out that they're "cheap", and could care less about winning.
(Count me as one of those who's still cynical - I'll always dream about it, but I'll believe it when I see it like many others here.)
What's silly is you and others bashed Wren for leaving our farm in shambles and yet give him no credit when two prospects under his watch are likely going to be our best position players going forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by thethe