Simple question, fire away.
Simple question, fire away.
I don't think that I bate him but I would rank him my least favorite Atlanta Brave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Meta
Id have to say right towards the top right up there with Melky, Kolb, and Rocker.
Melky is up there because he wasn't good and we traded my boy Vazquez for him. Kolb just stunk and Rocker was a favorite until I learned like the rest of the world he was a blabbering psychotic idiot that was a huge distraction for the team.
We've had a number of guys that we've acquired through the years that struggled like Sanders, McClouth, Uggla or guys that struggled with staying healthy like Hampton or guys like Reynolds that just didn't have it anymore, but all of those guys busted their tail and never complained like BJ.
BJ needs to go, he's committed the cardinal sin and doesn't deserve to be a Brave, plain and simple.
The one thing that I've been proud of is what this organization has stood for, we've always had a great group of guys that played hard and represented the community well outside the game. That isn't to say we haven't had players that didn't make mistakes, because we all know we did, but it pails in comparison to some of the other carp that organizations have turned a blind eye to.
I'm gonna say right up with Melky and Garret Anderson.
At least Rocker contributed before and after he revealed himself to be a racist pig.
I haven't been able to watch a game all season, so my hate for BJ is based on poster rage and his ****ty statistics.
For that reason, he's not above Melky or Garret Anderson.
Sad thing is that if Beej was putting up Garret Anderson's #s we would be less inclined to need this thread. That's how bad he has been...Quote:
Originally Posted by bravesnumberone
:Gasp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary82
Hope things are going good with you, Gary.
I'm just working my ass off to get to a better place in life, so I've been too poor and busy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Meta
He would be 4th behind the Klobster, Benedict Glavine, and Jeff "only good in contract years" Blauser. No wait, 5th. Lonnie Smith has to be too 3.
I forgot about Kolb...good thing. Reitsma has to be up on that list somewhere, as well. Farnsworth, too?
I wish I could forget him. I think saying his name should be a ban and we can just pretend it didn't happen.
Easily at the top of the list.
That being said, I am no longer going to use his name on here or if I am talking with someone about the Braves. He isn't worth even being spoken about.
Hmm, 1. Len Barker (gave up Brett Butler to get him) 2. Kenny Lofton (gave up two of my fave players and I just never liked him) 3. BJ Upton (especially if his contract causes us to not be able to resign Jason or Justin)
I didn't like Lofton because of the trade, but he did have a good year for us (injuries aside.)
Bush league question. Upton has not dogged it, been rude to fans or media, or done anything to you personally.
I reserve hate for players who have done something to disrespect the Braves, the fans or their manager.
So, my hate list: Bob Wickman, Jason Marquis, John Rocker, Tom Glavine. If the last one needs explanation, you don't remember how he left.
Special seventh circle of hell hate: Nick Esasky. Look it up. Then, Len Barker.
Nope, not even close.
He just sucks as a baseball player and hurting our payroll. No need to hate him, hate FG and Wren and Liberty for signing his sorry ass.
Wow can't believe the man that gave us a championship is on your list.Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunrevenge
How does a man with a serious health issue make the list?Quote:
Originally Posted by rico43
I guess he somehow caught Vertigo on purpose? Seriously, it's pretty hardcore listing him unless he did something else I'm forgetting. I know he was a pretty big pickup at the time but I'd hardly blame any player for vertigo.Quote:
Originally Posted by VirginiaBrave
Hate is not a rational emotion. I was making a point. In truth, I only pity Esasky, who got one of the largest contracts ever issued by the Braves right before he took ill. Barker was hurt, too. That doesn't make the pain go away, does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Braves1976
Tied for last, with every player in history. Hate for any person isn't a part of my life. Hating players hurts you more than it does the players, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Meta
I don't hate him as a person, just as a baseball player (or to soften the blow further, I hate his...lack of production?).Quote:
Originally Posted by rico43
I would disagree that BJ has not dogged it; and it's hardly Esasky's fault that he got vertigo.
Apologies if I offended you with my usage of the word hate, but please check yourself first before you throw out "bush league" in my direction.
I just love you too much for that.
Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by AerchAngel
In hindsight, I should have qualified/defined my usage of the word hate - cest la vie n all that.
...that.
Don't hate him per se. My only beef when he was signed was length of contract and the impression I had that Wren bid against himself and went too high by a couple million per season. If Upton had signed a 3-year/$36 million deal, I would have thought "decent." As it is, it's just a terrible baseball deal. All that said, I'd never thought he'd be this terrible.
You lecture the board about disrespect to the Braves, the fans or their manager. The Esasky signing made perfect sense at the time. He hit around .350 lifetime at Atlanta Fulton County Stadium (somebody else can verify, to be sure). They needed a 1st baseman at the time. He may even have been a Marietta resident.Quote:
Originally Posted by rico43
Len Barker? He was acquired more for the '83 stretch run, based largely on his reputation from throwing a perfect game. It could've been that he just wasn't "as advertised" in the first place.
Who's next? Bruce Sutter?
Seriously, some of you are total babies about poor FA signings or trades. You'd think that the Braves were the only team in baseball to ever experience a bad contract or a lopsided trade.
"Uh huh huh. BJ Upton sucks! Let's take to Twitter!"
Bob Wickman, BJ Surhoff, Kolb, Horacio Ramirez...can probably name a few more before I get to BJ Upton
I actually don't hate him that much... Why? Because he was never that good to begin with
Wren was stupid giving a player star type money who had never even made an All Star team, never hit 30 homers, never drove in more than 82 runs, Had averaged like .240 avg, .310 OBP, and like 160 K's for the previous few seasons before coming to the Braves.
BJ was never anything special to begin with. Just because Wren gave him money like one doesn't change who he was. Wren goofed
Now Dan Uggla? That's different, that guy hit like a star and simply came and bombed. I expected more from him but BJ? I laughed and shook my head on the day of the signing and I continue to do so.
Ya I'd put Wren ahead of BJ
I don't hate anyone, except Dick Cheney, but we are talking baseball. I disliked several players on the Braves since what like 1973 when I began watch them.
1. Melky
1a. Rocker
There is no one close to these two.....Lofton is second but a ways down.
Wickman would be 3rd.
Robert Fick 4th.
Yonel Escobar 5th.
The five were cancers on the team.
Klob and Reeksma along with Sanders and Mondesi were just bad players but with good attitudes and I can't get on them about that.
Lol on Glavine's name being brought up. Thank God for him (and Dave Justice) or the boys of Choketober still wouldn't have a WS championship.
I'm not getting that one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by bravesnumberone
I don't hate BJ, I knew it was a horrible contract when we gave it to him.....if you want to hate anyone, hate Wren for overpaying for a below average player.