Not Even Trying

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06-07-2018, 04:42 PM
striker42

Not Even Trying

I might be dumb for starting this thread but the topic comes up a lot. Usually it's either someone complaining about the team or people mocking other posters with it.

This thread is to talk about the idea of players not trying. Often when the team is having a particularly bad night, we're tempted to say "They're not even trying." Others seem to take offense at the accusation of players not trying. So instead of talking about this while annoyed at a bad loss or in a disrespectful manner, lets try to have a rational debate on the subject.

Do you think there are games, or even AB's, where players don't try?

Personally, I believe there are times where players don't try but I think those times are rare. Usually we see it when poor makeup players get upset with the team they're playing for and essentially quit.

However, when people say a player or a team isn't even trying, I think it's usually hyperbole. It's a way of saying that the player isn't giving his best effort. And I think this happens far, far more often than actually not trying.

In any job there are days when you'll give everything you have and days where you're lucky to get anything done. The same is undoubtedly true of baseball players. There are games where they're going to run through walls and there are going to be games where they're content to play back and let balls come to them.

However, I do think that fans are usually too quick to ascribe struggles to a lack of effort. If an opposing pitcher has his A game and is just shutting you down or guys are just slumping, it's easy to get frustrated and say the players aren't trying.

So while often players are actually giving full effort, I do think there are plenty of games where it's completely fair to criticize a player's effort.
06-07-2018, 04:43 PM
The Chosen One

I am just stopping by during the middle of my abroad travels to please ask people to try not engaging with Enscheff if they can't handle tongue in cheek replies.
06-07-2018, 04:48 PM
Enscheff

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever Fredi

I am just stopping by during the middle of my abroad travels to please ask people to try not engaging with Enscheff if they can't handle tongue in cheek replies.

You weren't even trying with this comment. Do you even love message boards?
06-07-2018, 04:49 PM
nsacpi

The Braves have a very good Council of Elders who police the younger players to make sure they prepare and conduct themselves in a way that gives them the best possible chance of success. These young players are full of piss and vinegar, but over a long season their youthful exuberance can have a downside. This is when a stern gaze from a grizzled elder can be useful. It prevents the yute from getting too high or too low and makes sure that everyone gives the kind of steady effort that is necessary for maximizing the chances for success.

For those who don't know the organizational chart of the Braves here is what is looks like.

The Council of Elders is headed by Muk. Other members are McCarthy, Moylan, Flowers and Suzuki.

The Chief is Freddie Freeman. His deputy is Ender Inciarte.

Everyone else is either a young warrior or spear carrier.

It is a simple setup. But one that has proven effective over the course of baseball history.

I personally think the Braves try hard every game. And the tone is set by the stern visage of Muk.
06-07-2018, 04:50 PM
nsacpi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enscheff

You weren't even trying with this comment. Do you even love message boards?

I also question why he is travelling at such a critical time during the season. We need more commitment from our leader. He needs to be more like Muk.
06-07-2018, 05:00 PM
The Chosen One

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsacpi

I also question why he is travelling at such a critical time during the season. We need more commitment from our leader. He needs to be more like Muk.

Ironically the only reason I have time to try engaging in this thread is because I'm at the gym lifting weights.
06-07-2018, 05:09 PM
nsacpi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever Fredi

Ironically the only reason I have time to try engaging in this thread is because I'm at the gym lifting weights.

I won't ask which muscles you are working on.
06-07-2018, 05:15 PM
The Chosen One

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsacpi

I won't ask which muscles you are working on.

Neck
06-07-2018, 05:23 PM
GovClintonTyree

Natch.

Good to see you trying tho
06-07-2018, 05:24 PM
GovClintonTyree

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsacpi

I also question why he is travelling at such a critical time during the season. We need more commitment from our leader. He needs to be more like Muk.

We all need to be more like Neck. Especially the disengaged 3,000 mile vacant look
06-07-2018, 10:05 PM
Tapate50

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsacpi

The Braves have a very good Council of Elders who police the younger players to make sure they prepare and conduct themselves in a way that gives them the best possible chance of success. These young players are full of piss and vinegar, but over a long season their youthful exuberance can have a downside. This is when a stern gaze from a grizzled elder can be useful. It prevents the yute from getting too high or too low and makes sure that everyone gives the kind of steady effort that is necessary for maximizing the chances for success.

For those who don't know the organizational chart of the Braves here is what is looks like.

The Council of Elders is headed by Muk. Other members are McCarthy, Moylan, Flowers and Suzuki.

The Chief is Freddie Freeman. His deputy is Ender Inciarte.

Everyone else is either a young warrior or spear carrier.

It is a simple setup. But one that has proven effective over the course of baseball history.

I personally think the Braves try hard every game. And the tone is set by the stern visage of Muk.

I stopped reading at the offensive spear carrier remark. I demand an apology.
06-07-2018, 10:07 PM
nsacpi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tapate50

I stopped reading at the offensive spear carrier remark. I demand an apology.

recent archaeological digs have shown spear carriers to be prevalent among northern europeans
06-07-2018, 10:10 PM
jpx7

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsacpi

recent archaeological digs have shown spear carriers to be prevalent among northern europeans

The new Alemannic draftee knows all about these pre-historical features.
06-07-2018, 10:12 PM
Tapate50

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsacpi

recent archaeological digs have shown spear carriers to be prevalent among northern europeans

Sure Roseanne, sure.
06-07-2018, 10:14 PM
nsacpi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tapate50

Sure Roseanne, sure.

I blame my red bull addiction...no more posting under the influence
06-07-2018, 10:37 PM
50PoundHead

If every player gave 100% on every play, they'd have to end the season in July.
06-08-2018, 07:17 AM
AerchAngel

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsacpi

The Braves have a very good Council of Elders who police the younger players to make sure they prepare and conduct themselves in a way that gives them the best possible chance of success. These young players are full of piss and vinegar, but over a long season their youthful exuberance can have a downside. This is when a stern gaze from a grizzled elder can be useful. It prevents the yute from getting too high or too low and makes sure that everyone gives the kind of steady effort that is necessary for maximizing the chances for success.

For those who don't know the organizational chart of the Braves here is what is looks like.

The Council of Elders is headed by Muk. Other members are McCarthy, Moylan, Flowers and Suzuki.

The Chief is Freddie Freeman. His deputy is Ender Inciarte.

Everyone else is either a young warrior or spear carrier.

It is a simple setup. But one that has proven effective over the course of baseball history.

I personally think the Braves try hard every game. And the tone is set by the stern visage of Muk.

I don't know about that, N

Neck gave up on his last at-bat like Hand was in his dome of "He owns me" swing.
06-08-2018, 07:21 AM
NinersSBChamps

They are all overpaid and most are only concerned with the money. Absolutely players relax and don’t try their hardest or don’t try at all. This is for all major sports and shouldn’t surprise anyone.