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[VirginiaBrave]

Suggests Alex Wood to the bullpen, they need fired on the spot. The young man was masterful tonight.

[UNCBlue012]

I wasn't a fan of the idea at first, but I'm just glad he's back now and should be good the rest of the year.

[VirginiaBrave]

We have problems, big ones but one has to wonder how much better our record would be over the last six weeks or so. I am betting 4 games or better.

[thewupk]

We have problems, big ones but one has to wonder how much better our record would be over the last six weeks or so. I am betting 4 games or better.

With our offensive problems I doubt it. He's pitched a ton of great games this year with nothing to show for it due to lack of runs.

[thewupk]

He was only moved to limit his innings. He pitched 139 2/3 innings last year. You would want something in the 170 range this year. To this point he's pitched 76 innings. With 85 games left that would leave him with 16-17 more starts in the regular season assuming he makes every one. Averaging 6 inngs per start would put him at 96-102 more innings in the regular season. That would max him out for the year. So I see the team limiting his starts still some the rest of the way. Take advantage of off days and the ability to restart the rotation at the ASB. I suspect he will get 14 more starts the rest of this season with the hopes of pitching in the playoffs to max his innings totals out.

[VirginiaBrave]

He was only moved to limit his innings. He pitched 139 2/3 innings last year. You would want something in the 170 range this year. To this point he's pitched 76 innings. With 85 games left that would leave him with 16-17 more starts in the regular season assuming he makes every one. Averaging 6 inngs per start would put him at 96-102 more innings in the regular season. That would max him out for the year. So I see the team limiting his starts still some the rest of the way. Take advantage of off days and the ability to restart the rotation at the ASB. I suspect he will get 14 more starts the rest of this season with the hopes of pitching in the playoffs to max his innings totals out.

I am against limiting innings anyway. I think saving innings is just an action taken by teams to make it look like they are doing something about something they really can't do anything about in the first place. The problem is all those youth ball innings and they have already been pitched and can't be undone.

[The Chosen One]

I am against limiting innings anyway.

I would agree to an extent, but in this case I take exception to the fact Alex has already had TJ once so I'm completely fine with the Braves taking whatever extra steps they find necessary to protect his arm.

[Carp]

I am against limiting innings anyway. I think saving innings is just an action taken by teams to make it look like they are doing something about something they really can't do anything about in the first place. The problem is all those youth ball innings and they have already been pitched and can't be undone.

I keep seeing this thrown around recently. There really isn't a strong basis for this opinion. Players get injured all the time. Pitching simply isn't a natural motion, and some mechanics are simply harder on the arm than others. It's likely most of these same players would be looking at surgery regardless of how many innngs they pitched when they were 12. Also, if this were true, you would probably have seen a higher injury rate for Latino players since they play basically year round from the time they are old enough to walk.


Which is not to say that it couldn't be related. It certainly could be. But it just seems like people have been taking Dr. Andrews statement and lazily been throwing it around as fact.

[nsacpi]

I doubt Medlen and Beachy pitched that many youth baseball innings. Not that such a small sample settles anything. The rash of TJ surgeries is the product of many factors, including random variation.

[zitothebrave]

Alex Wood is a trainwreck waiting to happen health wise, might as well enjoy him while he lasts .

[GovClintonTyree]

I keep seeing this thrown around recently. There really isn't a strong basis for this opinion. Players get injured all the time. Pitching simply isn't a natural motion, and some mechanics are simply harder on the arm than others. It's likely most of these same players would be looking at surgery regardless of how many innngs they pitched when they were 12. Also, if this were true, you would probably have seen a higher injury rate for Latino players since they play basically year round from the time they are old enough to walk.


Which is not to say that it couldn't be related. It certainly could be. But it just seems like people have been taking Dr. Andrews statement and lazily been throwing it around as fact.

Hang around a bunch of 11-12 year olds for long enough and you might feel differently. Three or four kids on my son's team playing elite or travel ball and subject to double innings pitching, catching too, and pitching competitively at times I was playing basketball or soccer. Kids are talked into believing they need to specialize year-round to be seen and get scholarships. It's become a rich kid's sport, too. These programs are routinely $1500-3000/yr. So you better believe they're max effort.

I think he's right on the money.

[KB21]

I keep seeing this thrown around recently. There really isn't a strong basis for this opinion. Players get injured all the time. Pitching simply isn't a natural motion, and some mechanics are simply harder on the arm than others. It's likely most of these same players would be looking at surgery regardless of how many innngs they pitched when they were 12. Also, if this were true, you would probably have seen a higher injury rate for Latino players since they play basically year round from the time they are old enough to walk.


Which is not to say that it couldn't be related. It certainly could be. But it just seems like people have been taking Dr. Andrews statement and lazily been throwing it around as fact.

The data shows it though.



The increase in ulnar collateral ligament replacement surgeries performed on young and high school pitchers coincides with the increase in young pitchers playing travel ball and pitching year round. When I was playing ball in high school, we really didn't have multiple travel ball options. We played legion ball, and we camped at one of the local universities. Most of the time, we got rest. I wasn't a pitcher though. I was an outfielder, thought I did get brought in to pitch in legion ball one year. Beaned the first guy and walked the next guy on 4 pitches.

[thewupk]

I am against limiting innings anyway. I think saving innings is just an action taken by teams to make it look like they are doing something about something they really can't do anything about in the first place. The problem is all those youth ball innings and they have already been pitched and can't be undone.

I think if TJ Is going to happen it's going to happen. But pushing someone from 130 innings to 200+ in a year is just asking for it to happen. You can't really stop TJ from happening. But you can sure make sure it happens due to overuse.

[GovClintonTyree]

Suggests Alex Wood to the bullpen, they need fired on the spot. The young man was masterful tonight.

Back to the original premise: I understand the idea, but it was like eating your vegetables. I'm just glad it's over now. He might be the best of the litter.

[PurpleBrave]

Suggests Alex Wood to the bullpen, they need fired on the spot. The young man was masterful tonight.

I just heard Greg Walker suggest it.