Surrender Summit

[57Brave]

[cajunrevenge]

child please, we probably killed civilians that specific day than died on that flight. We have killed 100 times as many civilians as Putin has since his risen to power. We incarcerate people at twice the rate of Russia. We condemn Russia for using the law to discriminate against gays but we still enforce Jim Crow laws. We are bombing 7 countries. How many is Russia actively bombing?



We should not demand a higher standard from foreign leaders than our own.

[nsacpi]

child please, we probably killed civilians that specific day than died on that flight. We have killed 100 times as many civilians as Putin has since his risen to power. We incarcerate people at twice the rate of Russia. We condemn Russia for using the law to discriminate against gays but we still enforce Jim Crow laws. We are bombing 7 countries. How many is Russia actively bombing?



We should not demand a higher standard from foreign leaders than our own.

actually we shot down an Iranian commercial aircraft...stuff happens...we expressed regret and compensated the families...it would be decent of the Russians to do something similar

[57Brave]

We should not demand a higher standard from foreign leaders than our own.

Completely agree, I think they should all be held accountable

but completely disagree with the whataboutism and the defense of well we do that too (~) so we should overlook others


I took a lot of grief over pointing out the needless killing of civilians ( estimates of 1/4 million) in Iraq .
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Trump in effect endorsed Putin. And all of the baggage therein
Your thoughts on the fate of the US Ambassador Trump considering tuning over to Putin ?

As bad as Bush/Cheney were I never even dreamed of what we are talking about now

[cajunrevenge]

Completely agree, I think they should all be held accuntable

but completely disagree with the whataboutism and the defense of well we do that too (~) so we should overlook others


I took a lot of grief over pointing out the needless killing of civilians ( estimates of 1/4 million) in Iraq .
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Trump in effect endorsed Putin. And all of the baggage therein
Your thoughts on the fate of the US Ambassador Trump considering tuning over to Putin ?

As bad as Bush/Cheney were I never even dreamed of what we are talking about now

I dont have a problem letting them question him as long as we controlled the enviroment, no way they should be alone with him.

[57Brave]

I dont have a problem letting them question him as long as we controlled the enviroment, no way they should be alone with him.

You don't seem to understand the situation or the implications of the Russian "request"

[sturg33]

actually we shot down an Iranian commercial aircraft...stuff happens...we expressed regret and compensated the families...it would be decent of the Russians to do something similar

Your double standards on these issues are shocking

[nsacpi]

Your double standards on these issues are shocking

i am not beating the drums on the Malaysian airline jet being blown out of the sky by a Russian missile...these things happen...the Russians didn't plan for it to happen...but I think it would be a decent thing for them to compensate the families of the victims

we on otoh hand did in cold blood execute your buddy al Awlaki...and to that i say bravo and well done

[cajunrevenge]

Lets be clear here, we dominate the world. We really ruled the world with our ability to bully just about any country. Russia, China, and Iran are really the only meaningful holdouts. They are the bad guys because they refuse to kiss the ring, not because of their human rights abuses or lack of a real democracy. We have Russua surrounded so they felt they needed some a buffer zone to combat NATO aggression. Putin is a bad man but he actually acts a lot like American Presidents. Remember when we startes that whole preemptive war stuff and we actively wage war to protect our supply of resources. How is Russia's foreign policy any different?

[nsacpi]

Lets be clear here, we dominate the world. We really ruled the world with our ability to bully just about any country. Russia, China, and Iran are really the only meaningful holdouts. They are the bad guys because they refuse to kiss the ring, not because of their human rights abuses or lack of a real democracy. We have Russua surrounded so they felt they needed some a buffer zone to combat NATO aggression. Putin is a bad man but he actually acts a lot like American Presidents. Remember when we startes that whole preemptive war stuff and we actively wage war to protect our supply of resources. How is Russia's foreign policy any different?

actually the French refuse to kiss the ring too...we often get annoyed at them...God bless the annoying French

i'm glad you recognize Putin as being a bad man...i would say one of the ways he differs from American presidents is his fondness for polonium...American presidents seem to prefer drone strikes...any other differences? maybe someone from Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia would be better able to explain

[cajunrevenge]

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...ries-elections

[57Brave]

Lets be clear here, we dominate the world. We really ruled the world with our ability to bully just about any country. Russia, China, and Iran are really the only meaningful holdouts. They are the bad guys because they refuse to kiss the ring, not because of their human rights abuses or lack of a real democracy. We have Russua surrounded so they felt they needed some a buffer zone to combat NATO aggression. Putin is a bad man but he actually acts a lot like American Presidents. Remember when we startes that whole preemptive war stuff and we actively wage war to protect our supply of resources. How is Russia's foreign policy any different?

It's really not.
How are the Braves different from the Phillies today? (Red Sox - Yankees might be a better analogy )

Our history is horrible on human rights, Russian history is wrought with paranoia and contempt of/for outsiders . And too, purges of dissidents.
No, not talking about simply jailing of or marginalizing (as horrible as that too is ) but arresting and executing families. Or even the black listings and Rosenberg's of the early 50's
Not random "rogue" cop actions, but state sponsored purges.
I can think of actions aimed at a handful of Black Panthers in the late 60's early 70's but other than that --- we don't see the level of rights abuses here that are and have been common in Russia.
For centuries

Funny, at the time of Viet Nam (which too was an over reaction to Russian aggression) we would talk about how a 75years earlier, Russia was still living in the middle ages.
Literally

NATO aggression ?
My friend you need to read a little more about post WWII Europe

[nsacpi]

It's really not.
How are the Braves different from the Phillies today?

Our history is horrible on human rights, Russian history is wrought with paranoia and contempt of/for outsiders . And too, purges of dissidents.
No, not talking about simply jailing of or marginalizing (as horrible as that too is ) but arresting and executing families. Or even the black listings and Rosenberg's of the early 50's
Not random "rogue" cop actions, but state sponsored purges.
I can think of actions aimed at a handful of Black Panthers in the late 60's early 70's but other than that --- we don't see the level of rights abuses here that are and have been common in Russia.
For centuries

Funny, at the time of Viet Nam (which too was an over reaction to Russian aggression) we would talk about how a 75years earlier, Russia was still living in the middle ages.
Literally

NATO aggression ?
My friend you need to read a little more about post WWII Europe

I think we can make these distinctions while acknowledging the bad things from our past and present. Slavery. Genocide against Native Americans. Racial inequities today. Yes, police brutality.

American society is indeed imperfect. Our political system is imperfect. And we have a tendency to lecture others as if we were perfect. We throw our weight around carelessly. All true. But none of that obviates the need for us as a country to make all sorts of judgments about what is in the national interest and to act on those. As wisely as humanly possible, and recognizing that we have often been far from perfect.

The other thing I would point out is that for most countries the choice between inaction and action is not consequential. Switzerland can choose inaction on a whole bunch of matters and it does not matter a whit. It is simply not the same for us. Inaction is often as consequential as action (let alone wise action).

[sturg33]

i am not beating the drums on the Malaysian airline jet being blown out of the sky by a Russian missile...these things happen...the Russians didn't plan for it to happen...but I think it would be a decent thing for them to compensate the families of the victims

we on otoh hand did in cold blood execute your buddy al Awlaki...and to that i say bravo and well done

My buddy?

I prefer due process. Radical, I know under dictator Obama

[nsacpi]

My buddy?

I prefer due process. Radical, I know under dictator Obama

i would have preferred he show up in court to defend his rights as an American citizen as well...oh well...tis a shame he did not pursue that option...i believe it was available to him

[sturg33]

i would have preferred he show up in court to defend his rights as an American citizen as well...oh well...tis a shame he did not pursue that option...i believe it was available to him

Who decided he was guily?I must have missed that court hearing

[nsacpi]

Who decided he was guily?I must have missed that court hearing

no one...we killed him in cold blood...and i say well done and bravo

but for those who put priority on legal niceties in this particular circumstance, i was observing he had the option of legal recourse...he chose to stay in the desert with his camels

[sturg33]

i would have preferred he show up in court to defend his rights as an American citizen as well...oh well...tis a shame he did not pursue that option...i believe it was available to him

no one...we killed him in cold blood...and i say well done and bravo

but for those who put priority on legal niceties in this particular circumstance, i was observing he had the option of legal recourse...he chose to stay in the desert with his camels

So dictator Obama decides an American is guilty and kills him. You applaud.

And then you tell me how terrible Putin is.

LOL

[nsacpi]

So dictator Obama decides an American is guilty and kills him. You applaud.

And then you tell me how terrible Putin is.

LOL

Couldn't have put it any better except for the term "dictator Obama." But I understand the uses of political rhetoric.

[sturg33]

Couldn't have put it any better except for the term "dictator Obama." But I understand the uses of political rhetoric.

Good thing Obama didn't decide you were a threat when you were getting you treason intelligence from the Germans.

Your hypocrisy is truly astounding here. Just another neocon. Carry on