Three-way talk

[Hawk]

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Braves continue pushing 3B Chris Johnson in trade proposals, including deals in which he would be attached to another player.

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
#Braves used same model when they required #Padres to take Upton Jr. to get Kimbrel. #SFGiants among teams with no interest in Johnson.

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
One way those clubs could line up $$$ would be Johnson, Maybin for Peavy, Pagan. Sources say that precise combination was not discussed.

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
Peavy, in first yr of two-yr deal with full no-trade clause, one of four SPs under contract to #SFGiants in ’16. Pagan still valued by club.

[Hawk]

Also, I realize that the title has nothing to do with actual trade discussed ... but, it's the 4th.

[thethe]

I was excited at the thread title.

Now I'm not excited we are using Maybin to dump CJ's salary.

I suppose Pagan could be another guy that reclaims his prior value.

[Mad Dog Murph]

I was talking about a 3 way last night and my wife slapped the sh!t out of me

[thethe]

I was talking about a 3 way last night and my wife slapped the sh!t out of me

I think the term is manajatwa!

[MadduxFanII]

I didn't mind tethering BJ to Kimbrel- Upton's contract was onerous enough that unloading it was a significant priority, and Kimbrel was good enough that we were still able to get a solid prospect in Wisler.

I don't like the same strategy with CJ and Maybin. For one, Johnson's contract, while bad, isn't that awful in the modern salary environment. Another two seasons at an average of $8.5 million, with a $1 million buyout...you want to be rid of that, but that's not really an imperative. And Maybin won't merit the same sort of return if tied to a bad contract. So we'd end surrendering a reasonably solid trade asset (and reasonably solid player) for not much return, all so we can get rid of a contract that isn't that bad.

The Kimbrel-Upton trade took a lot of economic pressure off the franchise, and with the new park just a season and a half away we shouldn't be in a position where we have to scrounge up every last dime. If we don't want Johnson on the team and no one is willing to trade for him, just eat the contract. We have the freedom to do so.

[cajunrevenge]

Maybin/Johnson for Peavy/Pagan makes no sense. Don't even think it saves money.

[Heyward]

Maybin has a pretty solid contract, if a team offers a good prospect for him, maybe.

But i wouldnt put him in to get another bad contract off the books

[NinersSBChamps]

Maybin/Johnson for Peavy/Pagan makes no sense. Don't even think it saves money.

So quit crying about it. Are you even a fan?

[auyushu]

Maybin/Johnson for Peavy/Pagan makes no sense. Don't even think it saves money.

Yeah, we'd owe CJ 17.5 mil including his buyout, and Maybin would technically be 9 mil for next year and buyout. So it'd be 26.5 mil versus 23 mil for Peavy and Pagan. Considering we could easily trade Maybin at these point we'd basically be losing money in the deal.

[striker42]

I'm not opposed to packaging Maybin with CJ. I agree that having that money to spend on the free agent market or in trades beats what we will get from Maybin.

Think about it this way. Which would you rather have, Mallex in center and a 17 million dollar a year player or Maybin and CJ with Mallex being blocked.

Maybin has great value on the market right now but he's a huge risk to backslide. There's a good chance he's broken out but I don't want to be stuck with a $9 million 4th outfielder if he backslides.

Of course, if the offer was good enough for Maybin alone I would trade him and eat CJs contract.

[thethe]

I'm not opposed to packaging Maybin with CJ. I agree that having that money to spend on the free agent market or in trades beats what we will get from Maybin.

Think about it this way. Which would you rather have, Mallex in center and a 17 million dollar a year player or Maybin and CJ with Mallex being blocked.

Maybin has great value on the market right now but he's a huge risk to backslide. There's a good chance he's broken out but I don't want to be stuck with a $9 million 4th outfielder if he backslides.

Of course, if the offer was good enough for Maybin alone I would trade him and eat CJs contract.

You could play Maybin in LF and Mallex in CF. Yes, we would have limited power but Mallex is not being blocked right now by Maybin IMO.

[striker42]

You could play Maybin in LF and Mallex in CF. Yes, we would have limited power but Mallex is not being blocked right now by Maybin IMO.

Maybin isn't nearly as valuable as a left fielder. It's like saying you can buy a Monet to hang over your fireplace because you can move the Picssso that's there to the bathroom.

[thethe]

Maybin isn't nearly as valuable as a left fielder. It's like saying you can buy a Monet to hang over your fireplace because you can move the Picssso that's there to the bathroom.

I don't think Maybin is a good defensive CF. If a novice like me is realizing this then the rest of baseball probably realizes it as well.

[KB21]

Maybin is still only 27 years old though. While some may consider his numbers unsustainable this year, he is still a young player who is just now at his physical peak. I'd say he has about a 4-5 year window of maintaining his performance from this year with the adjustments he has made with his hitting. Being that he is 27 years old and performing the way he has this year, he is a tremendous asset for the Braves. If you deal him, you should get 1-2 high level prospects in return in the deal. It's a classic buy low sell high situation. Maybin was a throw in just to get his contract off the books in the Kimbrel deal, and now, Atlanta could get a couple of strong prospects in return for him from a team that wants to make a push to the playoffs.

[striker42]

I'm fine with trading Maybin by himself if the return is what you speak of. But to attach him to CJ just so the Braves can get out of his contract is insane.

It's a question of whether you'd rather have more prospects or more money to go after a free agent or a big name in a trade this offseason. I don't think it's insane to use Maybin to move Johnson if it gives to flexibility this winter. I don't think it's insane to eat Johnson's contract and use Maybin to get another prospect or two.

[thethe]

It's a question of whether you'd rather have more prospects or more money to go after a free agent or a big name in a trade this offseason. I don't think it's insane to use Maybin to move Johnson if it gives to flexibility this winter. I don't think it's insane to eat Johnson's contract and use Maybin to get another prospect or two.

The future of the franchise will be in better shape if they just trade Maybin by himself. Eventually, CJ's money is off thebooks and based on how the team is looking now I think a huge spike in revenues is coming where Cj's money won't be detrimental to the future.

[Heyward]

The money argument is stupid, there's not much money on the payroll next year.

Packaging Maybin with CJ is mind-boggling dumb, and two, we arent getting Heyward or Justin, so throw that out the window.

Just keep Maybin, unless a team if offering a really good prospect.

Even still, you arent gonna find better value than Maybin on the FA market than Maybin at 8 mil next year and 9 mil in 2017, thats some good value.

Markakis, Mallex, Markakis probably is very light offensively but if they cant land one of Justin or Jason, then what can ya do.

[Oklahomabrave]

I'm inclined to see what Hart does before assuming it will be dumb. His trade history to date has given me a lot of faith in him. Who's to say we don't package Maybin and CJ while getting a good prospect, that's what he did in our last salary dump. If he can turn Kimbrel and BJ into Wisler while trading part of San Diegos salary dump(Maybin) and CJs dead contract into another good prospect that would be damn impressive.

Teams get desperate this time of year. Hart seemed to premptively read the market well. Pitching appears to be in high demand and I would be surprised if we don't make another 2-3 good deals.

[Hawk]

I like Cameron Maybin a lot, and I don't think that it's outside of the realm of possibility that he is able to produce at the same level for the remainder of his current contract and beyond.

That said, if Hart is able to move him at this sort of zenith, AND it comes with dumping CJ plus acquiring some interesting talent in return ... I'm open.