I know a lot of people here talked about trading for him. Looks like that's over now.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...&post-id=97031
I know a lot of people here talked about trading for him. Looks like that's over now.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...&post-id=97031
Thank the Lord!!!
Good for both parties. The Cubs are in the place to make a move like this. The Braves are not. The Sox get some good pieces and a stud potential in Eloy. Cubs gave up a lot.
I am happy the Braves did not beat that offer.
Likely means the price is going to be up on other guys. I hope that means someone overpays us for Tehran b/c they don't want to pay the Sonny Gray price.
jpx7 (07-13-2017)
Nice trade for the White Sox.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
jpx7 (07-13-2017)
This will set the market. Whether decide to buy into Gray or Archer (doubtful) or move some of our guys, BP arms included, the asking price is obviously really high.
True. But Q has more control and less injury history IIRC.
Again, I wonder if the high price helps us with Tehran b/c he's not going to command that price. The Twins want a controllable starter but probably can't pay these prices....would they be an option b/c they are small market and love the JT deal? I just don't know if the Twins have the system.
Hahn is rebuilding correctly.
Chico (07-13-2017)
you want to pretend those are on the same planet?
I'm on record I didn't like the Simmons, Kimbrel or Olivera deals.
Simmons was a stud but wasn't hitting. I think they knew they had Swanson in the bag for Miller. Per Bowman they were worried his d was going to decline a lot with age. He's still an all glove SS.
Kimbrel is a stud but he's still a relief pitcher.
Wood they thought was going to break. So far they look dumb.
Gattis was not a national league player and I think they did great on that deal.
None of those guys comes close to getting a TOR with a ton of control. IF you are a pure WAR guy then you can make the argument with Simmons but all glove SS and TOR starters are never going in the same value area.
UNCBlue012 (07-13-2017)
Sale is Sale. You can't do math on it.
There are a finite number of 5+ WAR starting pitchers. Much less one that has done it in the AL. Then add the contract.
I know some will say WAR is WAR but you aren't getting Sale for Inciarte's War and Simmons' WAR. Dominant starters on cheap deals are the unicorns.
Sum of the parts will not get the same value as the whole.
Meaning...trading a 7 WAR player will yiield more than trading 2 2 WAR player and a 3WAR player. People will pay a premium for studs as you only have 25 spots on a roster.
Also, the WAR of the players now is not the right metric to use.
UNCBlue012 (07-13-2017)
I think you are doing an apples to oranges comparison.
The Kimbrel deal is a legit concern. We know they lowered his value adding BJ. The question is how much damage did that do, IMO a lot. But he's still not netting you Eloy and Eloy wins the deal by himself.
Simmons I think we rushed on. I think we should have gotten more. But Simmons is going to have to be hitting above a 750 OPS for a couple of years if you think you are getting Eloy or Moncada.
I agree 100% we should have gotten more.
I disagree that any GM for the braves is going to get Eloy and Moncada for any players on the Braves sans Freddie.
The ONLY way that happens is if you get lucky and you have Kimbrel when there are teams like the Cubs a closer away from the WS. I wish we had CK to deal last year. I really really do.