Will the real Jason Heyward please stand up?

[zitothebrave]

Did you just compare Jason to Harper and trout?

Jason was a physical freak of a prospect. You forget he was number one in all baseball.

[Carp]

No they're not entirely. Sure there is a degree of opinion, but the evaluation is based off of results.

And the results are given arbitrary values based off opinion. They do not take into account defensive alignments or strategies. And as Giles pointed their "value" is largely dependent on how the rest of the league is doing. A player can play exactly the same as last yr, but look better or worse depending on how everyone else in the league is doing.

[thewupk]

And the results are given arbitrary values based off opinion. They do not take into account defensive alignments or strategies. And as Giles pointed their "value" is largely dependent on how the rest of the league is doing. A player can play exactly the same as last yr, but look better or worse depending on how everyone else in the league is doing.

The same is true with offensive numbers like wrc+ and ops+. The whole idea is to judge what a player has done compared to the rest of his peers.

[gilesfan]

Well nobody compares to Trout but Heyward has been better than Harper overall.

If you buy WAR as it pertains to the level of defense it attributes to a corner outfielders value.

[jpx7]

If you buy WAR as it pertains to the level of defense it attributes to a corner outfielders value.

[thewupk]

If you buy WAR as it pertains to the level of defense it attributes to a corner outfielders value.

And base running too.

I'm sorry but your bro Harper is not a good defender or base runner. He just makes too many mistakes out there. Whether you but into WAR or not his offense is not good enough to make up for what Heyward provides in those two areas.

[zitothebrave]

And base running too.

I'm sorry but your bro Harper is not a good defender or base runner. He just makes too many mistakes out there. Whether you but into WAR or not his offense is not good enough to make up for what Heyward provides in those two areas.

Their offense isn't way too far off. 128 vs 117. But Heyward being a plus runner and plus plus defender to harper being average to below average at them.

[Hawk]

I do feel like Harper will grow in his abilities -- there is a godawful lot of raw talent there.

Plus, he can do this:

[gilesfan]

And base running too.

I'm sorry but your bro Harper is not a good defender or base runner. He just makes too many mistakes out there. Whether you but into WAR or not his offense is not good enough to make up for what Heyward provides in those two areas.

Harper certainly isn't a good defender or base runner, merely average at both.

He's significantly better offensively though, at 3 years younger.

[sturg33]

I do feel like Harper will grow in his abilities -- there is a godawful lot of raw talent there.

Plus, he can do this:

We'll see GF in 6 minutes.

[zitothebrave]

Harper certainly isn't a good defender or base runner, merely average at both.

He's significantly better offensively though, at 3 years younger.

Trout is only one year older than Harper and has 2 MVP level seasons. Harper is a clear disappointment.

[GovClintonTyree]

Trout is only one year older than Harper and has 2 MVP level seasons. Harper is a clear disappointment.

But he's big as a house. So he's got that going for him.

[Dalyn]

We'll see GF in 6 minutes.

It takes him five minutes to get to the bathroom?

[gilesfan]

Trout is only one year older than Harper and has 2 MVP level seasons. Harper is a clear disappointment.

Trout is a stud. Breaking News from Zito at 6.

[zitothebrave]

Trout is a stud. Breaking News from Zito at 6.

Well I figured we were spurting out useless information about age I would join.

[gtcway]

Harper certainly isn't a good defender or base runner, merely average at both.

He's significantly better offensively though, at 3 years younger.

Remember reading an article on ESPN earlier this season saying Harper was one of the better young 5 tool guys. More toolsy than Harper since he didn't have a good arm.

[thewupk]

Harper certainly isn't a good defender or base runner, merely average at both.

He's significantly better offensively though, at 3 years younger.

Yes he's 3 years younger but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Coming into this year Heyward had a 348 WOBA and 119 wrc+ compared to Harpers .359 and 128. Better? Yes. Significantly better? I'm not sure about that.

[thewupk]

I do feel like Harper will grow in his abilities -- there is a godawful lot of raw talent there.

I agree with that. I think in his prime he will be good at all facets of the game. He's just not there yet.

[Carp]

The same is true with offensive numbers like wrc+ and ops+. The whole idea is to judge what a player has done compared to the rest of his peers.

But offensive stats like those are still WAY more accurate than any defensive stat

[zitothebrave]

But offensive stats like those are still WAY more accurate than any defensive stat

In your opinion. Facts and opinions are 2 different things. You should have learned that in grade school