GDT #44: 5/20/14 Brewers (Gallardo 2-2) @ Braves (Teheran 2-3), 7:10

[Braves1976]

It certainly helps. Lee is also 35 and has pitched a long time. There is a bit of a difference in that and having your elbow go out in your mid 30s and getting it done when before age 25.

I agree that we shouldn't be comparing an older pitcher having an issue with all these young guns going down.

[Hulavol]

I love it...I'd let him throw 160 if he wanted to. Sick of this titty feeding pitchers.

This.

[Heyward]

It certainly helps. Lee is also 35 and has pitched a long time. There is a bit of a difference in that and having your elbow go out in your mid 30s and getting it done when before age 25. Some people may be destined for TJ regardless. But bad mechanics is a death sentence.

Lee was also a late-bloomer, didnt start pitching really until he was 27-28?

Still, TJ is what it is, some pitchers with horrible mechanics never get it and some with solid/standard get it.

[Dalyn]

Lee was also a late-bloomer, didnt start pitching really until he was 27-28?

Still, TJ is what it is, some pitchers with horrible mechanics never get it and some with solid/standard get it.

Lee is 35.

He debuted in 2002.

[zitothebrave]

Lee was also a late-bloomer, didnt start pitching really until he was 27-28?

Still, TJ is what it is, some pitchers with horrible mechanics never get it and some with solid/standard get it.

Cliff Lee has thrown 2143.1 inning in the majors and 434 innings in the minors. For comparison TimHudson has only thrown like 500 more innings in his 3 more years of age.

[Braves1976]

Lee is 35.

He debuted in 2002.

Right, plus he was a starter in the minors going back to age 21 (2000).

[GovClintonTyree]

Right, plus he was a starter in the minors going back to age 21 (2000).

Most of that time with ****ty mechanics. That's why he got demoted.

You think he was always Cliff Lee?

[50PoundHead]

We're not talking about his BMs again, are we?

We're talking about Gerald Load.

[Dalyn]

We're talking about Gerald Load.

With a name like Laird, who needs to make up sh*t?

[Braves1976]

Here's an update on that young kid hit by the foul ball:

A team official released a statement, saying, “The young fan was hit in the head by a ball but conscious and talkative while he was being treated on site before being transferred to the hospital. The team and all of Braves Country have him in our thoughts and prayers.”

[Braves1976]

Most of that time with ****ty mechanics. That's why he got demoted.

You think he was always Cliff Lee?

I never said anything about his mechanics but yea I do think he was always Cliff Lee. :)

[Braves1976]

Brad Clontz of the '95 WS Champion Braves added me on twitter today. I didn't even know he was on twitter. Not as cool as Santana adding me without request but still pretty cool.

[NinersSBChamps]

Brad Clontz of the '95 WS Champion Braves added me on twitter today. I didn't even know he was on twitter. Not as cool as Santana adding me without request but still pretty cool.

Lol he added me yesterday.

[Braves1976]

Lol he added me yesterday.

I didn't know you were on twitter either. :)

My dream is for Fredi/Laird to join twitter and add me, lol.

[Runnin]

So is the panic officially over yet?

[rico43]

So is the panic officially over yet?

For some, it will never go away. Panic is the only emotion that they feel.

[thethe]

I think a lot of the surgery epidemic has to do with pitchers going Max effort all game. Julio doesn't throw as hard as he can all game because he works that 2 weaker. I hope it bodes well for him moving forward.

[yeezus]

Pitch count limits haven't worked anyway.

[stpeteirish]

If Lee needs surg Philly is really fooked, he's about all they've got left that isn't has been or never was. Maybe they'd actually become sellers for once.

Think Jimmy Rollins could play 2b for a year or two? How's his contract compare to Uggla's?

[zitothebrave]

I think a lot of the surgery epidemic has to do with pitchers going Max effort all game. Julio doesn't throw as hard as he can all game because he works that 2 weaker. I hope it bodes well for him moving forward.

I would disagree but point out that in general it seems cause of the 100 limit guys throw harder rather than being ready for 140+

Still think the majority of injuries have to do with timing issues. When you have a timing issue you tend to have to over compensate with your arm which creates extra strain on your arm ligaments which concentrate on your elbow or not out of the question shoulder. I think the "rise" in prevalence has to do with the way baseball is scouted now a days. 50 years ago people didn't play as much baseball as today and I think it reflects on the youth. There wasn't year round baseball, so on so forth. The factory that's producing young stars that has been happening in baseball is also likely the biggest cause of it's problem. Of course there's also the expansion argument. And then the knowledge argument. It used to be you shut guys down and prayed. And if they didn't heal they quietly went away. As Tommy John became more successful, it became as easy to prep for as pulling a rotten tooth.