Last edited by BedellBrave; 02-28-2015 at 10:06 PM.
The world I want where people are allowed to do what they choose? Where we flip our **** cause of 3 seconds of Janet Jackson boob yet take our kids to see movies that desensitize violence? We're largely primal creatures who spent most of our existence as hunter gatherers. Until the last centruy or so women were commonly viewed as nothing more than property to be used as leverage to gain social favor. Or if you were poor, they were baby factories. You talk about wanting to do things a certain way but provide no means to reach that end.
You say things like "we've now idea where the pervasiveness of porn is going to take us as a culture. My only guess - nowhere good." when the truth of the matter is that porn has existed for ages. Was it consumed in different ways? Sure. Was it more tame? Almost certainly. But it has and always will exist. I guess you prefer the society where women are traded as commodities as that essentially is the historical "pre-porn" reference we've got to look at. It's sad that you think Porn has more control over societies than the multi-billion dollar corporations who cram ads down our throats until we buy their ****.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
You can say that about many industries. I'm glad you're taking a stand on something. But I don't think the issue is nearly as pronounced as you like to think it is. I guess things were better in the old days when you wanted to get your rocks off you went to show where women stripped and then wanked it in a private room. Or you bought yourself a whore. Because that was one of 2 jobs women could have. I'm not a champion of porn, if there was a way a to have the porn industry act ethically I'd be all for it. But saying it's "evil" and going to "ruin society" and what not is very chicken littlesque.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
Denial, I'm thinking because you like it.
Multi-billion dollar industry does not equal multi-billion dollar company.
Playboy, takes in about a few milllion a year, Hustler about a million, CEO of Mind Geek the biggest porn conglomerate in the world, is worth about 200M. For comparison, that's less money than Andrew Carnegie got in 1900 for being bought out of Carnegie Steel. That's money, tha'ts power. Porn industry is exploitive, but ti's hardly the monster you're making it out to be.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
Quite the opposite.
Whenever I've had relationships, my porn viewing dropped drastically and the sex was much more intimate than casual sex. No dirty talking like in the pornos, just bliss and appreciation of one another's company translated into sex. But since I've been single for prolonged periods of time (work, projects, hobbies, and Savannah & Southern Girls in general aren't exactly the best pool to choose from for my personality, right Hawk?), so porn just keeps me satisfied for a few minutes a day.
Again, perhaps because I've been watching porn for so long I'm de-sensitized by the effect you're speaking of. That's why I said, I don't know who the people are you deal with in your marriage counseling and if porn can really be pointed to as the main factor of a marriage breakdown or is it one component of many variables adding up. You could be counseling husband and wives that really had no business getting married. It's quite commonplace to see people in my generation rushing to getting married when you could see from 10 miles away they are not compatible in the long term. Has nothing to do with porn, just people ignoring blatantly obvious signs that they shouldn't get married and using their long time status as an excuse to "go to the next step".
Forever Fredi
Beds, I don't consider a female porn star to be that much at all different in cultural terms than someone like LeBron James.
Both sell their bodies for a period of their life for the enjoyment of others to get a certain visual stimuli. I suppose we're ok as a society objectifying athletes, especially football players who risk their entire lives to get paid to play a game (except those College Players) that satisfies the raging testosterone of middle aged men who want to see someone get hit. I'm assuming in your line of marriage counseling, you've never had the trouble of husband wanting to watch too much sports and not giving his wife enough attention?
Forever Fredi
See that's what I mean by being illogical and making straw men. When did I even imply that I thought it was the root of all evil? Never. Of course it is not -it itself is symptomatic.
I think the charge of being close-minded could be turned back on you. See I think it is possible to have a better world with less and less porn, where women and men are valued and treated honorably. Why not join me?
Last edited by BedellBrave; 02-28-2015 at 10:50 PM.
The Chosen One (02-28-2015)
Sorry if you see it as a "strawman" but when you say things like "we've now idea where the pervasiveness of porn is going to take us as a culture. My only guess - nowhere good." you're inferring that porn is a leader in societal failures, I was being hyperbolic when I used my "root of all evil" phrase, but i figured a southern minister like yourself would appreciate a little fire and brimstone. But it was your language and overall tone which lead me down that path. I respect your opinion on the topic, there are certainly issues in the porn world. Especially where you have women essentially forced into doing porn as part of the sex trade. NOt to mention the other exploitive techniques which don't generate women money. I'm all for porn empowerment, but that's on the consumer. We live in a world where the market rules and there are people making money on the sex market illegally like on many other markets.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
and they better stay offa your lawn
what is it with you and people having sex ? It seems that any topic that attends your passion revolves around others getting sexual pleasure in one form or another.
My guess is PeeWee football is damaging and has damaged more lives than the " shiney thing " of porn.
http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-med...ions-complaint
Last edited by 57Brave; 03-01-2015 at 12:12 AM.
lol every argument with bedell comes down to him saying, "you believe this/know this to be true, but just don't want to admit it!"