Julio, my man, I'm not asking you to tell me why you think these groups/individuals are bad, I'm asking you to demonstrate how their agenda is "100% consistent" with indiscriminate murder.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130404...ointsengl.html
Julio, my man, I'm not asking you to tell me why you think these groups/individuals are bad, I'm asking you to demonstrate how their agenda is "100% consistent" with indiscriminate murder.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130404...ointsengl.html
Speaking to undercover agents, he cited the film Fight Club and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing as inspiration.
“You got to break a couple of eggs to make an omelet,” Jerry Drake Varnell, 23, allegedly told an undercover FBI agent. “That’s why people don’t do this (expletive) because, you know, you got to be able to overcome that little reality there.”
And I'm asking you--again--what about Nazis is inconsistent with ethnic cleansing or blood in the streets? You've read about the end of Weimar Germany, so let's not play dumb.
I've visited these websites. They may not explicitly endorse genocide, because that could potentially open them up to legal liability, but comment sections etc are all about the ovens.
But these folks, and plenty of others, DO explicitly endorse a white ethnostate. How do you suppose they'd plan to acheive that?
You're really saying that neo-Nazis DON'T support violence and terrorism against enemies?
goldfly (08-14-2017)
If you're asking if I'm actually offended by an MLK statue, then you're right.
Somebody in this country has to be able to live a day in their life without getting their feelings hurt at something. Sorry you're so easily offended... I'm sure there is some leftover playdough
No, you are absolutely right, these people do exist and in droves. But I view them as a fanatical anomaly that can, and should, be sliced off the body politic like a malignant mole. At the same time, I'm not comfortable condemning the entire alt-right/alt-lite (which is, at the very least, a somewhat sensible attempt to distance from the anti-Semitic idiocy) to hell as neo-Nazis because of this unavoidable intersection of populism-nationalism-neofascism (née nazism [?]).
I'm looking at this from the perspective of trying to accurately understand why a President might be reluctant to chastise a specific group of protesters. I think you know that it's not because he's a closet white supremacist, and certainly not because he can't survive without their vote, but because there is a fringe element to consider and they, unlike the NSM, or Richard Spencer, or Vanguard America, are 'reachable' in a progressive sociopolitical sense.
Last edited by Hawk; 08-14-2017 at 05:15 PM.
I think I get what you're saying here, but it's precisely my point that the intersection you mention is inevitable.
I mean, it really seems like it is. From where I sit, any non-racist, non-anti-Semite alt-righter (I'll assume they exist because you say so, not that you've shown receipts or anything) looked at this event and said:
"Hmm. Enoch from therightstuff. The Daily Stormer. David Duke. NSA. Other neo-Nazi groups. Sounds like a great chance to show the world that I don't hate blacks & jews but am just extremely proud of my whiteness."
I'm being flippant, but you see my problem, right?
So when that intersection seems to never not happen--even media-savvy, brand-aware people like Gavin McI are never more than one degree removed from literal white supremacists--what's an outsider to think?
If you want to reach those people politically, that's your business, but it seems like a pretty toxic swamp to wade in.
Last edited by Julio3000; 08-14-2017 at 06:29 PM.
Lol. I've been watching the Gavin Mcinness show for a while now because of there being so few right wing comedy shows. I think his show is hilarious and it's really been something to watch the rise of the Proud Boys. The fact that such a goofy organization has risen to what it has is incredible. I think the Proud Boys is actually a perfect group for young men to channel their frustrations in regards to regressive left social justice warriorism. It's far from a hate group. I think people see the word "proud" and immediately think of white pride, but the origins actually came from making fun of a song from the Aladdin musical. And I think they've done a good job of trying to weed out the alt right. People know Gavin's show is a comedy show right? And if you want to know what his opinions are than just watch his show. He's not exactly shy. I love how this guilt by association and racism game only works in one direction. Does the fact that he's friends with Samantha Bee and Jason Jones count? The fact that he's married to a native american make a difference? The fact that he is clearly pro Israel and employed by a jew mean anything? He's certainly said some racially offensive things and told some bad jokes and I understand why folks don't want to watch him because of that, especially those on the left, but he's far from what the lefty media is desperate to portray him as. I think in the realm of the comedy world he's really not any more offensive then comedians on the left.