jpx7 (11-17-2017)
i don't care if its George HW Bush, Al Franken, Moore, etc., it's time that such nonconsensual behavior be challenged. The sixth and seventh commandments (understood in their depth) matter. And such abusive, sexual sins strike against the dignity of human beings.
Jaw (11-17-2017)
To be fair (and to return to the broken-record for a moment) the Actual Left has been pretty critical of former-President Clinton's sexual transgressions for years; it's the neoliberal and center-left contingent that is finally getting around to a real reckoning of his misdeeds (as well as their Third Way inheritance).
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Jaw (11-17-2017)
goldfly (11-18-2017)
She inferred impropriety, I speculated that it was likely Clinton. We went into the weeds about whether or sexual assault was rape. I explained that I believe what Clinton did was rape. Lewinsky’s concurrence on specificity is beside the point, as is whatever trite political angle you want to interject to belie the realities of the situation.
The guy yammering about Clinton in the face of a Republican sexual scandal is accusing me of having a "trite political angle." Okay.
You believe Clinton raped Monica Lewinsky because reasons. Got it. Fine. You are a free man in a free world. Maybe he did even. My only point was that Lewinsky is not claiming this, and it is kind of gross for you to spin her words and claim it for her.
It’s more like an American sex scandal. And it’s not just me yammering - it’s the New York Times, The Atlantic, Vox Media, etc. But let’s just skirt over that for the sake of drollness.
And, again, I didn’t put words in Lewinsky’s mouth. And I’m not denying her personal agency (although how you don’t see yourself defining her agency is another story entirely).
Last edited by Hawk; 11-18-2017 at 04:59 AM.
The rape was inherent in the power dynamics at play with Clinton and Lewinsky specifically, not in the exaggerated scenario you posited. Power is not wielded solely through hierarchical workplace superiority. He was roughly 30 years her senior, the leader of the free world, the epicenter of Lewinsky’s world, a man. Treating Clinton as though he were just another boss seems naive.
Last edited by Hawk; 11-18-2017 at 05:03 AM.
The “it’s only rape if she says so” sentiment makes me cringe. As if there weren’t a million reasons why Lewinsky might want to avoid that route. A thousand different ways she might have compartmentalized the experience.
But don’t advocate on her behalf. That’s somehow churlish and politicallly driven. Right-o.
Last edited by Hawk; 11-18-2017 at 05:16 AM.
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A reminder that Moore has been accused of sexually molesting a 14 year old girl and sexually assaulting a 16 year old girl.
Who's guilty of "doing much worse than" that, Reverend? Seriously, this is a matter for law enforcement
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for all the democrats and republicans bringing Clinton back into the fold (i'm shocked)
why aren't they saying the president now or Clarence Thomas should step down etc?
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Trump should have hushed on Franken. Because now he reopens the door for his own accusers to get back into the spotlight.
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jpx7 (11-19-2017)