https://www.npr.org/2019/03/11/70226...ntent=20190311
Seems Omar was right
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/11/70226...ntent=20190311
Seems Omar was right
"For there is always light, if only we are brave enough to see it. If only we are brave enough to be it." Amanda Gorman
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...t-it-will-cost
The Green New Deal is, to repeat, a nonbonding resolution. Passing it will cost
approximately zero dollars and zero cents;
it exists as a launching point for lawmaker discussions on how to get to a less polluting,
less drought-and-famine-dominated future
. But even this is met with hair-pulling alarm, with warnings of socialism and revolution
and mutters of suspicious foreign "globalism" slithering into your crawlspace in the dead
of night, because there's not a damn thing that any non-conservative can propose,
in any arena, that will not get the exact same treatment.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Verified account @AOC
54m54 minutes ago
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted CSPAN
This, right here, is a problem.
Institutions can engage in unlimited financing of fossil fuels, building unstable pipelines + reaping profits, but when the bill comes to clean up oil spills & fix damages - they can conveniently kick the can.
So, who will pay for climate change?
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Hve made the same argument aimed at profits gained by the weapons industry.
At what point is the profiteer responsible ?
Last edited by 57Brave; 03-12-2019 at 06:23 PM.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
Sea walls will have to go up as seas rise. Wildfires to put out. Roads repaved. Nascent technology to explore.
Electrical grids replaced. It’s too late for us to not have to deal w/ the impact of climate change.
At this point we shouldn’t be debating IF we do it, it’s how.
The difference here is that we *already know* abt climate change. We know that more
fossil fuels will harm us. Banks know. Fossil fuel cos know. Gov + politicians know.
It’s not an accident. It’s cause+effect. We knew DAPL would leak.
And we know the next gen is in danger.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
Daniel Medina
Verified account @dmedin11
Daniel Medina Retweeted CSPAN
As a reporter on #DAPL beat from beginning of protests,
I often spoke to oil/gas industry people. When I would ask them
how building pipelines was financially viable in an age of diminishing returns,
none seemed to care. Because, as they told me, the banks financing them didn’t.
With the way things are structured now, if the banks don’t care, no one cares.
They’re simply not incentivized to - no matter the damage to people, families, and the environment.
We mostly address issues after the damage is done. But we can’t afford that w/ climate.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
and this exchnge:
Marvel Marisa Murphy
Verified account @RodeoGirlsMarv
Marvel Marisa Murphy Retweeted CSPAN
So using her own logic... Hypothetically, if @AOC made a drink while bartending,
then served it to a person, who then killed a family of 5 while driving drunk,
she should then be held accountable for the incident, right?
Bartenders beware, she could be coming after you next!!
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Verified account @AOC
3m3 minutes ago
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted Marvel Marisa Murphy
Actually, in NYC if you’re a bartender and knowingly over-serve to someone,
you *ARE* liable for things they do after they leave the bar,
because you knowingly put them at risk for $.
Its called the Dram Shop Act. It’s a big reason why bartenders cut people off.
And it works.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Verified account @AOC
5m5 minutes ago
The key here is in the advance knowledge. When you
*knowingly* do something that you know *in advance*
will do harm, and do it anyway, you open yourself up.
Companies *know in advance* that climate change will
get worse if we keep growing fossil fuel consumption and production.
Last edited by 57Brave; 03-12-2019 at 06:49 PM.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
This is the level of stupidity the left is fawning all over for
How stupid thinking corporations should be liable for not doing their job right. By gawd don't people realize America no one takes responsibility for their actions.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
yeah, I thought "cause we don't operate the pipeline" was pretty weak too.
As if to say, "we just make the profit"
" who ------ me ? !!!! "
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so tell me, who will pay for the clean-up ?
and are you of the opinion that those making the profits once paid, wash their hands of the whole affair and bear no responsibility ?
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remind me again about spending cuts and how over taxed we are
Last edited by 57Brave; 03-12-2019 at 10:10 PM.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
annie fofani
@anniefofani
8h8 hours ago
Replying to @Len_SCA @alexisgoldstein and
payments on the loan. that the corporations they made the loans to would continue to make those payments from the oil profits. if those corps were held accountable for the environmental damage they could go bankrupt and not pay. but funders should also be held accountable too.
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Len M.
@Len_SCA
7h7 hours ago
Paying for cleanup is secondary to prevention. The damage done to the environment from a spill cannot necessarily be undone. Therefore the risk is not the cost of cleanup, it is a separate risk that should be assessed and Wells Fargo be held accountable.
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Len M.
@Len_SCA
6h6 hours ago
In addition what really is the monetary risk? Probably negligible while the environmental risk is monumental. Therefore Wells Fargo is only calculating monetary risk as would be expected. Who is taking on the environmental risk? Only the public and we have no say.
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annie fofani
@anniefofani
6h6 hours ago
yeah, currently the earth and the people just get screwed. banks only care about monetary risk, they don't care about the environment. but laws can be changed to hold them accountable. and the public does have a say through our congressional representatives.
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annie fofani
@anniefofani
6h6 hours ago
this is why, as i9 mentioned earlier it's the cost of being accountable for cleanup that motivates their team who assesses environmental impact to start taking prevention into consideration when assessing risk.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
I feel this a conversation that is long overdue
MyCatThinksYou'reDumb
@mycatis2cool4u
6h6 hours ago
Hmm, banks don't make high risk loans of this size
as they discuss loans made for a high risk project. Got it.
The whole point of her questioning involves risk to taxpayers.
Kind of like how BP's oil spill cost taxpayers over $10 billion.
and who else profited from the loans to BP? I personally see profiteers as responsible as BP themselves
As I see the arms industry fiduciary -ly complicit in mass shootings.
People are making money off of these programmed lapses in judgement
Last edited by 57Brave; 03-12-2019 at 10:39 PM.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
The good part about AOC is she has made so many people go to bat to defend her stupidity.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Verified account @AOC
10h10 hours ago
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted Alexis Goldstein
The CEO of Wells Fargo said they chose to finance the unstable Dakota Access Pipeline
over Standing Rock Sioux objections, because the bank determined it was “worth the risk.”
To whom?
#DAPL has leaked at least 5x. And we, the public, are left to pay for cleanup+destroyed land.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
Telling when political factions faced with conversation on climate change and income inequality are reduced to "AOC is stupid"
At some point if they want a seat at the table will have to contribute to the conversation to survive. (Amash ? )
And sure, bring out your "data". But, understand how data is used as a tool and remember you cant drive a nail with a screwdriver
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Since January the discussion has been driven by new House members . Including that eye patch guy.
Last edited by 57Brave; 03-13-2019 at 05:57 AM.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
I'm not saying Wells Fargo should be responsible, but I don't think responsibility for any of Wells Fargo's actions (or inactions) would fall on the bank's consumers. You didn't know what the Wells Fargo executives were going to do with your money and that erects a pretty solid wall against legal action extending to you or any other costumers. I've got some banking business to Wells Fargo and I probably won't move it, but that company has shown itself to be run by idiots over the past decade. I would say they are simply crooked, but I don't think the folks running the company are smart enough to consciously be evil.
As for AOC, I don't agree with her here on the responsibility aspect, but I think she does show how big companies get together to do things and don't really give a f*ck about the consequences to anyone else in the process.