Carp (02-18-2020)
jpx7 (02-18-2020)
And I'm just waiting on when the Astros pitchers are going to get busted. Trevor Bauer knows something is up.
Greenies didn't give anywhere near the advantage of steroids.
They enabled players with skills to be able to perform those skills when they were tired or hungover. A light hitting middle infielder with warning track power wasn't going to start hitting balls over the fence due to amphetamines. A pitcher throwing 88 mph wasn't going to start throwing 92-93 while on speed. Players definitely benefitted, but they had to have the skill set to get to the league and to perform in order to realize those benefits.
Think about all the fly balls we see every year that are caught at the warning track. Many of those turned into home runs because players were carrying more muscle than their bodies could've naturally produced. Higher exit velocities from stronger players turned some singles into doubles, ground ball outs into base hits, etc. Players who may not have made it to the big leagues on their natural abilities were able to do so while juiced.
The only real similarity between the two substances was the enhanced recovery times from injuries with steroids, versus the recovery from fatigue or hangovers with amphetamines.
Carp (02-18-2020)
I've always viewed the Astros as a dirty organization, even before this latest scandal. I have nothing to back this up except my own intuition, but I've long suspected that they were at the forefront of bringing PEDs into the game. They always seemed to have these scrawny guys who had shown little if any power early in their careers who all of a sudden started hitting bombs in the Astrodome of all places.
Carp (02-18-2020)
It's a little different now with the testing that is in place. Players can't go all out the way they used to in the 90s and early 2000s.
You still have to be able to put the bat on the ball. PEDs won't help you do that. But if you have the contact skill and the desire to work out enough to take advantage, they can definitely make the difference between a fringe player and a middle of the order slugger. Or in the case of Bonds, the difference between a HOF worthy all around player with around 400 HRs, and two HR records and a size 8 3/4 cap.
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Carp (02-18-2020)
And imagine how much worse they'd be without it.
Baseball's highest scoring offenses correlate with the steroid era and then saw a steep drop once the steroid era ended. That isn't some coincidence.
THIS, is the first time you think cheating crossed a line? Because the Stro's got caught doing what teams have been doing in some form since at least the 40's? I really don't think people truly understand just how rampant sign stealing is in the MLB and has been for decades.
jpx7 (02-18-2020)
DirkPiggler (02-18-2020)
A lot of normally low-key players and ex-players have really unloaded on the Astros. Aaron. Muk. Trout.
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Carp (02-18-2020)
jpx7 (02-18-2020)
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jpx7 (02-18-2020)
Remember that time MLB launched a full-blown investigation into steroid use before Congress overstepped their bounds and decided that it was their business?
Yeah, me neither.