It never fails to amaze me what folks around here will criticize. People scream over and over that Wren needs to operate entirely like he's Andrew Friedman. Then he goes out and does exactly that - locking up our versions of Evan Longoria and Matt Moore and they call it "risky".
Just for kicks, remember when people wanted us to start signing our young arms like Tampa??? Matt Moore's deal runs through 2019 if his options are picked up. Guess what his AAV will be if they are...
$4.625 million WITH INCENTIVES that could push it to about $5 million per.
The difference? They gave him that deal after a handful of starts.
SHEESH!!!
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They were going to try to sign Heyward to a long-term deal.
But with his injuries, they backed off.
I would guess they try after this season, and see what happens depending what kind of year he has.
Simmons is most likely next to extend, i would venture.
Even still, given the INSANE market for SP's, we cant sign a FA SP for 20-30 mil a year.
So signing Julio at this rate even risky is something that had to be done.
Hudson2 (02-14-2014)
This is true but signing Julio to a deal like this is something a mid-market team, or not a top-5 payroll team had to do.
For christs sake, people in the offseason bitch and moan about Wren not signing our core to extensions, he does it and people cry like a baby over it?
It's not like this is a massive financial commitment.
AerchAngel (02-14-2014)
Another point to consider for the naysayers that have been so in love with Chris Sale's team-friendly contract...
If Julio follows the same kind of path as Sale and many other young studs, this may be the most valuable contract in the game by Opening Day 2015.
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I love the message Wren is sending to everyone. He believes in this young core and he's not going to let them get away if he can help it. He's pretty much backing up what he's done in the past. He's made a lot of these guys untouchable and now he's trying to sign them to long term contracts.
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The point is we've done a better job producing pitching than posit players so Teheran could be replaceable. Simmons very likely wouldn't be nor Heyward. Even with injuries Heyward has been our best outfielder since Andruw. Think of what we trotted before him. Francoeur, Kotsay, Bourn, Diaz platoons, McClouth, Gattis.
Forever Fredi
AerchAngel (02-14-2014)
IF his options are picked up. If the guy gets injured, the team is only on the hook for 5/13.5 (that includes the buyout). That is so much better than this deal that it isn't even worth bringing into the discussion. And Moore is still YET to pitch as many innings as Teheran did in his first full year.
No one will disagree with Heyward but he already rejected an extension after the 2012 season.
I doubt it was AS much as Freeman's, but it takes two to tango.
They actually tried to sign him to an extension during arby, but injuries and whatnot made it complicated. I think they'll try to extend him after the year but it will be very hard to do so.
While we do produce good pitchers, not a given they pan out.
This is positive and that's it. There's negative in anything you do in life. But Wren sending a message to his team that he wants to win and keep them all together is anything but negative. Yeah he could blow his arm out but Freddy could blow his knee out tomorrow. It's all a gamble. We all want to keep this team together and that's what Wren is doing. Good job here. Simmons deal could be already and their just waiting on his physical who knows.
AUTiger7222 (02-14-2014)
The point remains...small and mid-market teams have absolutely NO CHANCE of compiling enough players with the kind of upside that can be important pieces on Championship teams if you don't take calculated risks. If you take away the option, Teheran's AAV is $5.4 million. Given the mountain of cash that MLB has discovered since Moore's deal was signed, they're essentially the same contract - there's NO WAY they don't pick them up unless his arm falls off...everyone in an MLB rotation that isn't year-to-year (or more likely pre-arb eligible) in 2019-2020 will likely be approaching $10 million per AAV if not higher.
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Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
AUTiger7222 (02-14-2014)
One more point for our more statistically-inclined members...
Rob Neyer says the deal is essentially a "no-lose proposition" from our standpoint. Says that even if Julio misses a year or year and a half with TJ surgery, it's still a solid value as long as Julio is "average".
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yeezus (02-14-2014)