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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay212033 View Post
    I'd rather have 2 chances to hit the lottery as oppose to one.
    I'd rather have a rotation that won't include Hale and Garcia all year.
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    If Uggla keeps this up, its going to be hard to give him the battle axe

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    I'd rather have a rotation that won't include Hale and Garcia all year.
    You underestimate Mr. Garcia.

    He know how to make pitch. I think he can mentor Julio Teheran, seeing as how Garcia had similar stuff in his prime.
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    I can't believe so many Braves fans are rooting against Uggla. This love affair with a middle if the road prospect in LaStella is baffling.

    If Uggla returns to form and mashes it is good for the Braves on the field, as well as gives them a potential avenue to trade him in the offseason and shed payroll if needed and make room for LaStella, who gets additional experience at AAA.

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    LaStella should be a utility player this year if he's not starting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    LaStella should be a utility player this year if he's not starting.
    The second half of the season, yes but I'd much sooner see him play everyday and get at bats and work in his horrid defense down in the minors. With Pena already in the roster as super utility infielder it will be tough for him to get any time in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Millwood1Hitter View Post
    I can't believe so many Braves fans are rooting against Uggla. This love affair with a middle if the road prospect in LaStella is baffling.

    If Uggla returns to form and mashes it is good for the Braves on the field, as well as gives them a potential avenue to trade him in the offseason and shed payroll if needed and make room for LaStella, who gets additional experience at AAA.
    No one is rooting against Uggla. Just being realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Millwood1Hitter View Post
    I can't believe so many Braves fans are rooting against Uggla. This love affair with a middle if the road prospect in LaStella is baffling.

    If Uggla returns to form and mashes it is good for the Braves on the field, as well as gives them a potential avenue to trade him in the offseason and shed payroll if needed and make room for LaStella, who gets additional experience at AAA.
    Rooting against? Na.
    Lost faith? Yup.
    I've given up on him, forgive me. I don't see how he could be productive again. I hope I'm wrong. But I think La Stella would be more productive, this season.

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    I don't understand why people have faith in Upton but not Uggla. At least Uggla walks and hits for power, something BJ didn't do.

    That said I hope they both rebound and have great years. I don't have faith in either one of them however.

    And I love the Santana signing, love that we have money to cover for a serious injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt View Post
    I don't understand why people have faith in Upton but not Uggla. At least Uggla walks and hits for power, something BJ didn't do.

    That said I hope they both rebound and have great years. I don't have faith in either one of them however.

    And I love the Santana signing, love that we have money to cover for a serious injury.
    You don't understand, really?
    Surely you can see where we're coming from.
    Uggla is 34, Upton 29.
    Upton has been a productive player more recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    I'd rather have a rotation that won't include Hale and Garcia all year.
    Even without Santana the rotation wouldn't have included both guys all season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay212033 View Post
    Even without Santana the rotation wouldn't have included both guys all season.
    I'm not optimistic Beachy can stay healthy.

    Meaning we'd have

    Minor
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    Wood (on an inning limit)
    Floyd

    As of mid may. When Wood needs to be sidelined, and before Floyd comes back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millwood1Hitter View Post
    The second half of the season, yes but I'd much sooner see him play everyday and get at bats and work in his horrid defense down in the minors. With Pena already in the roster as super utility infielder it will be tough for him to get any time in the field.
    His defense won't be much of a factor if he's not playing everyday. Another good bat on the bench would be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    How? Santana is probably here for a year.

    I don't want go histrionic, I don't think we are a playoff team without making this deal. We maybe aren't with this deal, but with the projected loss of Medlen, we were in trouble.

    David Hale? I hope it has come together for him, but this is a guy whose minor league stats are nothing to write home about. Could be a late-bloomer, but I wouldn't bet the house on the guy at this point.

    We can all choose our stats K/BB, HR%, WHIP, whatever. Santana is a proven commodity. He's not a perfect pitcher. He would have been signed in December if he was. But again, look at the innings numbers. The guy can eat them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Meta View Post
    Bartolo colon woulda been the ultimate innings eater for us
    We already had Livan. That guy ate way too many innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt View Post
    I don't understand why people have faith in Upton but not Uggla. At least Uggla walks and hits for power, something BJ didn't do.
    Last year was the first time BJ has ever had such a poor year and has an entire career that says he's not that player so until he shows consistently that it wasn't a fluke then there's plenty of hope he'll get back to normal. BJ doesn't typically hit for a high average either(I don't measure either player by their battling average) but a normal year for him consists of hitting homers, stealing a lot of bases, good walk percentage and playing solid to good defense.

    Yes Dan has power and walks but his bad defense and lack of production on the base paths make his low average even more of an issue. When you lack other tools like Dan you have to hope the ones you have are so good they make up for what you lack. Uggla pretty much HAS to hit over .260(which he hasn't done since 2010) to be an impact player.

    You're going to think what you want about BJ but he's a 4 tool player who can give this team a 3-4 WAR even if he hits .240. Also BJ walked 10% of the time last season so yes that IS something he did do well. They both have to get their k% back to career norms for them to be effective but Dan has to provide more offense to make up for his defense and lack of base running which is going to be tough since age isn't on his side anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt View Post
    I don't understand why people have faith in Upton but not Uggla. At least Uggla walks and hits for power, something BJ didn't do.

    That said I hope they both rebound and have great years. I don't have faith in either one of them however.

    And I love the Santana signing, love that we have money to cover for a serious injury.
    Really? So we shouldn't have faith in a guy that is still in his prime but should have faith in a guy that is 34 and has been terrible 2 years in a row? Not just that, he hits for power? He had like 3 extra base hits in the last 40 games he played of 2013 and has hit just 19 and 22 homeruns the last 2 years, the only reason he ever made it to the majors.

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    The only thing positve you can say about BJ is that he has no where to go but up. I wonder how many games we win last year it BJ just repeated his 2012 season? 105?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTiger7222 View Post
    Really? So we shouldn't have faith in a guy that is still in his prime but should have faith in a guy that is 34 and has been terrible 2 years in a row? Not just that, he hits for power? He had like 3 extra base hits in the last 40 games he played of 2013 and has hit just 19 and 22 homeruns the last 2 years, the only reason he ever made it to the majors.
    Well if you'll read my post (which you obviously didn't) you'll see I said I don't have faith in either one of them.

    Last year Uggla (as bad as he was) hit 22 homeruns. BJ hit 9. I get it, people want to believe in BJ because of his talent and he's still relatively young but the fact is he's always been inconsistent, is lazy, and is coming off one of the worst years I've ever seen a FA have. But hey have faith he's going to all of a sudden figure it out, I wish I was as confident in him as everyone else was. I think he'll be better but I'm expecting 230 and 20/20, not much more.

    The popular thing to do on this board is bash Uggla, I just don't get why those same people love BJ so much. I really don't. I personally find both guys frustrating and wish neither one was on our team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt View Post
    Well if you'll read my post (which you obviously didn't) you'll see I said I don't have faith in either one of them.

    Last year Uggla (as bad as he was) hit 22 homeruns. BJ hit 9. I get it, people want to believe in BJ because of his talent and he's still relatively young but the fact is he's always been inconsistent, is lazy, and is coming off one of the worst years I've ever seen a FA have. But hey have faith he's going to all of a sudden figure it out, I wish I was as confident in him as everyone else was. I think he'll be better but I'm expecting 230 and 20/20, not much more.

    The popular thing to do on this board is bash Uggla, I just don't get why those same people love BJ so much. I really don't. I personally find both guys frustrating and wish neither one was on our team.
    If BJ plays as poorly as he did last year, you'll get your Uggla hate.

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