2016 Presidential Primaries [ SUPER TUESDAY | 3-1-'16]

[50PoundHead]

Cruz should name Jesus his VP.

Jesus has the wrong stance on carpet bombing.

[The Chosen One]

Jesus has the wrong stance on carpet bombing.

[The Chosen One]

Cruz is a full blown neocon... tea party? lol

Uh, the Tea Party loves/d both Rubio and Cruz.

You could say they're both Neocons right now, but they were big in the TP movement with Palin.

[sturg33]

Uh, the Tea Party loves/d both Rubio and Cruz.

You could say they're both Neocons right now, but they were big in the TP movement with Palin.

They are both neocons... but nobody should confuse Rubio as a small government guy... he is the opposite

[sturg33]

My one-and-a-half cents.

1. Rubio is the big winner on the Republican side in Iowa because he looks to be firming up his position as the establishment alternative to Trump and Cruz. Impressive late surge.

2. Trump's campaign is truly led by idiots. Iowa is the home of retail politics and delegates/caucus attendees need to be coddled and met personally. That doesn't happen at big rallies. Trump led among first-time caucus attendees, but if he would have had any ground game to follow up on those attending his rallies and making sure they went to their caucuses, he likely would have won. His reaction after the results is typical Trump and his handlers (if he can be handled) have is bass ackwards. Trump should be saying "Cruz had the big hitters and visited every country and he still only beat me by three points."

3. Curious to see how Cruz fares from this point forward. It's been shown success in Iowa doesn't necessarily translate to anything else, but he absolutely had to win in Iowa and his ground game and his support from King and Vander Plaats were key in that. Still, he didn't reach 30%. Huckabee was well over 30% in 2008 (Fred Thompson actually beat McCain in Iowa in 2008 as a reference point). Carson still being in the race clearly detracted from Cruz, but Perry and Gingrich being in the race in 2012 put a dent into Santorum. Puzzler to me is the evaporation of the libertarian wing in Iowa, as Ron Paul got 21% in 2012. Maybe Trump is reaping that demographic, which is a bit of a puzzler.

Is it a 3 man horse or does anyone else have a shot as surprising? How's Bush polling in the south?

[The Chosen One]

They are both neocons... but nobody should confuse Rubio as a small government guy... he is the opposite

I think anyone here knows that. But it still doesn't discount their admiration in the tea party.

Are you just still mad that Ron Paul was also a Tea Party favorite, but Tea Party nowadays seem to love neocons more?

[sturg33]

I'm saying I've never seen Rubio even pretend to be what the tea party pretends to stand for.

Yes, I'm aware that the tea party has become a joke from where it started from

[Julio3000]

It still boggles my mind that Rubio is somehow seen as the "moderate" of Cruz and Trump, when he was the Son of the Tea Party.

Being slightly less crazy than Cruz still makes you insane.

I guess the mainstream cred for Rubio has its roots in the immigration reform issue. Still, he's pretty much indistinguishable from Cruz in policy. Tone and demeanor are the biggest differences.

I heard the aforementioned Hugh Hewitt interview interview Christie the other day, and Christie's take on Rubio is pretty withering—and, IMO, pretty accurate. He said, basically, I like Marco, but he's been giving the same speech for five years. He never does press gaggles, he's never really been tested. Step out of the bubble. That's going to be the line for the time being.

I've been waiting for Rubio to impress me. I haven't seen much of it. He's got a good biography, but right now he's all biography. I wonder if he would be compromised by how hard he's had to run against his own immigration position in the primary, a la Romney on healthcare in 2012.

I hope that at least one of the governors steps out. To me, they're the more preferable option.

[The Chosen One]

I'm saying I've never seen Rubio even pretend to be what the tea party pretends to stand for.

Yes, I'm aware that the tea party has become a joke from where it started from

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...rty+rubio+2011

Sarah Palin helped establish the Tea Party, so there's no way there wasn't already huge neocon elements in the Tea Party when it was created.

Ron Paul took some of the tea party love just like he took a lot of republican love, but it was always a neocon behemoth disguised as a rebellion to the establishment.

[The Chosen One]

Still love that fake smile on Ann and Mitt's face during Christie's RNC speech a few years ago where he made it all about himself instead of talking about Mitt.

[sturg33]

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...rty+rubio+2011

Sarah Palin helped establish the Tea Party, so there's no way there wasn't already huge neocon elements in the Tea Party when it was created.

Ron Paul took some of the tea party love just like he took a lot of republican love, but it was always a neocon behemoth disguised as a rebellion to the establishment.

The Tea Party was started as a Ron Paul fundraising event, if I recall correctlty

[Julio3000]

The Tea Party was started as a Ron Paul fundraising event, if I recall correctlty

Yes, and the Party invented the airplane.

[sturg33]

From Wikipedia

Commentaries on origin
Fox News Channel commentator Juan Williams has said that the Tea Party movement emerged from the "ashes" of Ron Paul's 2008 presidential primary campaign.[80] Indeed, Ron Paul has stated that its origin was, on December 16, 2007, when supporters held a 24-hour record breaking, "moneybomb" fundraising event on the Boston Tea Party's 234th anniversary,[81] but that others, including Republicans, took over and changed some of the movement's core beliefs.[82][83] Writing for Slate.com, Dave Weigel has argued in concurrence that, in his view, the "first modern Tea Party events occurred in December 2007, long before Barack Obama took office, and they were organized by supporters of Rep. Ron Paul," with the movement expanding and gaining prominence in 2009.[65] Barack Obama, the first African American President of the United States, took office in January 2009. Journalist Joshua Green has stated in The Atlantic that while Ron Paul is not the Tea Party's founder, or its culturally resonant figure, he has become the "intellectual godfather" of the movement since many now agree with his long-held beliefs.[84]

Congressman Ron Paul was appointed as the first chairman of the organization.

[The Chosen One]

That's fine and all but the modern tea party movement that swept the 2010 mid terms had nothing to do with Paul. I used to be a Paul fan in a 2007 when he was breaking fundraising records and MySpace was still bigger than Facebook.

These were neoconservatives pretending to be small government.

Maybe Rand was the only one on his father's coattails. But the 2010 and 2014 midterms have been predominantly war mongering neoconservative Tea Baggers.

[Julio3000]

From Wikipedia

Commentaries on origin
Fox News Channel commentator Juan Williams has said that the Tea Party movement emerged from the "ashes" of Ron Paul's 2008 presidential primary campaign.[80] Indeed, Ron Paul has stated that its origin was, on December 16, 2007, when supporters held a 24-hour record breaking, "moneybomb" fundraising event on the Boston Tea Party's 234th anniversary,[81] but that others, including Republicans, took over and changed some of the movement's core beliefs.[82][83] Writing for Slate.com, Dave Weigel has argued in concurrence that, in his view, the "first modern Tea Party events occurred in December 2007, long before Barack Obama took office, and they were organized by supporters of Rep. Ron Paul," with the movement expanding and gaining prominence in 2009.[65] Barack Obama, the first African American President of the United States, took office in January 2009. Journalist Joshua Green has stated in The Atlantic that while Ron Paul is not the Tea Party's founder, or its culturally resonant figure, he has become the "intellectual godfather" of the movement since many now agree with his long-held beliefs.[84]

Congressman Ron Paul was appointed as the first chairman of the organization.

Cool, Ron Paul founded the Tea Party, according to Ron Paul.

Dude, I'm just messing with you.

[57Brave]

Wasn't the first Tea Party April 15, 2009 organized by a CNBC talking head and heavily promoted by Glen Beck?

Had virtually nothing to do with Ron Paul

[acesfull86]

I'm saying I've never seen Rubio even pretend to be what the tea party pretends to stand for.

Yes, I'm aware that the tea party has become a joke from where it started from

It really is. "We're for cutting government spending! As long as it's not Social Security. Medicare, Medicaid, or Military/National Defense - where we should be increasing our investment because China and Radical Islam!"

It's basically the movement to cut ~0.01% of the federal budget.

Watching a few seconds of tea party supporters get interviewed is enough to realize they're just as much the clueless frauds as the clowns who descended on Washington for that Jon Stewart rally or the ones who occupied Wall Street.

If the tea party movement somehow manifests itself into more support for Ron Paul types, great, but I basically gave up on it about 5 minutes after it was conceived.

[57Brave]

[sturg33]

The fact that you think this is clever and worth posting just reinforces how stupid you are

[57Brave]