The Coronavirus, not the beer

[sturg33]

You're attempting to engage in good faith discussions with people who have no desire to discuss things in good faith.

And your thoughts on the VAERS data?

[sturg33]

Also, there is quite literally nothing that will come to light that will change the minds of COVID cowards. They are too pot committed, they have taken too many shots, they have destroyed too many lives, they have put on too many masks.

This is their religion and there is no going back

[sturg33]

What's the evidence that suddenly young athletes are dying due to vaccine?

I invite you to read this Twitter thread if you are opening to questioning your narrative

[sturg33]

The COVID cowards will avert their gaze

[thethe]

we have known the vax doesn’t prevent spread for almost a year now and some people are still in denial.

Pathetic

[thethe]

I invite you to read this Twitter thread if you are opening to questioning your narrative

He will never come off of his incorrect position.

Even reasonable people are victim to the mass programming. It’s a shame.

Vaccinating healthy and young people was always a stupid decision.

But I guess I’m glad that these people at statistically zero risk got the equivalent of another lottery ticket of protection. 100% increase in protection!!

[thethe]

COVID Death Rate per million the last 14 days:

Sweden - 6.38
Denmark - 28.16
Finland - 22.15
Norway - 16.77


Hmmm......

[thethe]

COVID Death Rate per million the last 14 days:

Sweden - 6.38
Denmark - 28.16
Finland - 22.15
Norway - 16.77


Hmmm......

Cases per 1M the last 14 days:

Sweden - 10k
Denmark - 37.7K
Finland - 11.8K
Norway - 10.4k

Finland just had an explosion WoW of 231% so it might get bad there soon.

[Tapate50]

For anyone with the slightest open mind, there really shouldn't be much question to this anymore. The info is out there.

69 BILLION in profit from Pfizer these last two years, and we need more boosters? Zero liability, zero sales expense, zero logistics expense, zero research expense. And we need more boosters?

[thethe]

For anyone with the slightest open mind, there really shouldn't be much question to this anymore. The info is out there.

69 BILLION in profit from Pfizer these last two years, and we need more boosters? Zero liability, zero sales expense, zero logistics expense, zero research expense. And we need more boosters?

But some want to BELIEVE their study data without ever seeing the results.

Its a joke.

[thewupk]

we have known the vax doesn’t prevent spread for almost a year now and some people are still in denial.

Pathetic

I will say that the vaccine likely reduced spread signigantly from the OG virus. But that changed with Delta and Omnicron is just blowing through everything. Not even natural immunity works against it. The good news is that Omnicron isn't that serious and will likely give people that get it good protection going forward.

[striker42]

I invite you to read this Twitter thread if you are opening to questioning your narrative

I looked at that twitter thread. The author called himself a data guy but his use of data was cringeworthy. Assuming his numbers are 100% correct (twitter is not known for rigorous methodology), he's still drawing conclusion he has nowhere near enough information to draw. His numbers are surface level at best. Lumping in all non-covid natural causes deaths together and saying the vaccine caused the increase is just a wild statement. You have to break down the causes way more than that.

I looked at the tweet last night and can't go back and look again as its been taken down but the graphs he showed also made me suspicious. I don't like seeing graphs with conveniently curated snapshots of time. It can make ordinary statistical noise look significant.

If this is the best evidence supporting that the vaccines are dangerous then go ahead and sign me up for more doses. This is damning with faint proof.

[thethe]

Yeah - I'm going to go ahead and believe Big Pharmas studies that we can't see the data on....

Lets ignore VAERS.

Lets ignore athletes dropping dead at increased rates.

Lets ignore the massive increase in mortality (AFTER VACCINATION was availalbe)

Its impressive how much you're dug in on this.

"Sign me up for more doses" Geez....

[striker42]

And your thoughts on the VAERS data?

The VAERS data is the most misconstrued thing on the planet right now. VAERS isn't a comprehensive list of confirmed harmful events caused by vaccines. It's a catchall of everything bad that has happened after a vaccine whether related or not. It's an early warning system if the reports start showing patterns that go outside of normally expected parameters.

For example, car accident deaths are included in VAERS if they happen after a vaccine is given. A poor look at VAERS would look at the deaths following a vaccine and count that as a death caused by the vaccine. In reality, it's included to ensure there's nothing outside ordinary expected figures. If car accident deaths were twice the expected amount after a vaccine, you would want to investigate to see if the vaccine was causing something like bouts of fainting or dizziness that might increase the likelihood of being in a bad car accident.

You need to compare events in VAERS to a standard baseline to see if anything has a statistically significant variation from what is expected.

[thethe]

The VAERS data is the most misconstrued thing on the planet right now. VAERS isn't a comprehensive list of confirmed harmful events caused by vaccines. It's a catchall of everything bad that has happened after a vaccine whether related or not. It's an early warning system if the reports start showing patterns that go outside of normally expected parameters.

For example, car accident deaths are included in VAERS if they happen after a vaccine is given. A poor look at VAERS would look at the deaths following a vaccine and count that as a death caused by the vaccine. In reality, it's included to ensure there's nothing outside ordinary expected figures. If car accident deaths were twice the expected amount after a vaccine, you would want to investigate to see if the vaccine was causing something like bouts of fainting or dizziness that might increase the likelihood of being in a bad car accident.

You need to compare events in VAERS to a standard baseline to see if anything has a statistically significant variation from what is expected.

It is literally the same exact basis as COVID so you should compare the two events.

It is also pretty much known its underreported so there is that....

[striker42]

Yeah - I'm going to go ahead and believe Big Pharmas studies that we can't see the data on....

Lets ignore VAERS.

Lets ignore athletes dropping dead at increased rates.

Lets ignore the massive increase in mortality (AFTER VACCINATION was availalbe)

Its impressive how much you're dug in on this.

"Sign me up for more doses" Geez....

I just did a post on how VAERS is being misread.

Some of the athletes dropping dead is based on bias. If you see something happen several times you might ascribe significance to it when it's just part of the ordinary curve. You might even start looking for events and so see more and think there's something going on.

There have been a higher than average number of cardiac arrests among professional soccer players lately. However this has hit both vaccinated and unvaccinated players (something that's near fatal to your theory). It's entirely possible this is just a meaningless outlier or it could be attributed to something else all together.

The massive increase in mortality? Look at the figures for Covid deaths. There was a massive surge last winter after the vaccine was released but before it was universally available. Then there was a surge again in early fall caused mostly by Delta among unvaccinated.

You're acting like your proof is absolute when your "proof" is terrible.

[striker42]

It is literally the same exact basis as COVID so you should compare the two events.

It is also pretty much known its underreported so there is that....

Adverse events after vaccines are underreported, but that's also baked into the baseline that's monitored. It's not compared to the baseline of what you'd expect to see in the normal population, it's a baseline of what you'd expect reported. VAERS is there to spot things jumping out of the ordinary.

When you just look at VAERS, you're seeing raw numbers. You have nothing to compare it to. Professionals monitoring VAERS have baselines of what they expect to see.

[thethe]

Massive increase in mortality for age groups that have very low mortality rates (aside from obese).

So we have a large increase in soccer players dying on the field and we just attribute that to random noise and not the only other factor that has changed in the past year which is mass vaccination?

You conveniently ignore VAERS because it destroys your argument. VAERS is UNDERREPORTED. I repeat....UNDERREPORTED.

And still you refuse to address the fact that Pfrizer won't let anyone see their study data.

[thethe]

Adverse events after vaccines are underreported, but that's also baked into the baseline that's monitored. It's not compared to the baseline of what you'd expect to see in the normal population, it's a baseline of what you'd expect reported. VAERS is there to spot things jumping out of the ordinary.

When you just look at VAERS, you're seeing raw numbers. You have nothing to compare it to. Professionals monitoring VAERS have baselines of what they expect to see.

And what we are expecting to see is a rate of death reported that far exceeds other vaccines.

[sturg33]

There is nothing that will happen that will change your mind. You are dug in