Around Baseball Offseason Edition - Derek Jeter will retire at seasons end

[Hawk]

When Jason Vargas is getting $8MM, Haren at $10MM seems like a steal.

[Dalyn]

Hated losing Collins. Would love to get him back.

[BRule]

Thats what i mean, he was good, yes but is he a 10 million upgrade over Beachy/Wood?

Im not sure about that.

I'd like a veteran starter but im not sure who is a massive upgrade over those two.

Well, Beachy most likely isn't the Beachy we remember and Wood would be on an innings limit and in his 1st real year as a starter. So yeah, I'd take Haren over both

[mfree80]

Well, Beachy most likely isn't the Beachy we remember and Wood would be on an innings limit and in his 1st real year as a starter. So yeah, I'd take Haren over both

What leads yo to believe that Beachy will not come back strong? He was showing very good progress when he had the scar tissue issues. Those are not uncommon and fixable. The cleanup surgery found everything in order. I expect he will be the Beachy we remember. He will now be further from TJ, with a full off season to heal.

Count me as very optimistic about Beachy.

[The Chosen One]

The starts I watched Haren he could barely hit 88 mph.

[BRule]

The starts I watched Haren he could barely hit 88 mph.

For his career, his FB has averaged 90.4 mph....last year it was at 88.9 (4 seam)

His 2 seam for his career is 90.0 and last year it was 89.1

[The Chosen One]

I watched him in AZ. Was a huge fan of his and he was clocking his 2 seamer at 91-94. Worth 10 million? Not for me.

[BRule]

His 2 seamer in AZ, averaged 90.4....the fastest was 90.5, in AZ.

[skillet]

Brandon Beachy > Dan Haren. Beachy at roughly $900M >>>>>>> Dan Haren at $10MM.

[BRule]

Brandon Beachy > Dan Haren. Beachy at roughly $900M >>>>>>> Dan Haren at $10MM.

Beachy of last year, no....Beachy of 2 years ago, yes.

[thethe]

Why even consider what Beachy was last year?

[skillet]

Beachy of last year, no....Beachy of 2 years ago, yes.

Even Beachy this past year in his very limited action, coming back from major surgery and scar tissue issues, had an ERA of 4.50, WHIP of 1.03, BAA of only .239. Lifetime his ERA is 3.23, WHIP of 1.13, BAA of .220. Haren last year had an ERA of 4.67, WHIP of 1.24, BAA of .268. Lifetime his ERA is 3.74, WHIP of 1.19, BAA of .254. Haren is simply not as good a pitcher as Beachy, and he costs a whole lot more. There really is no comparison.

[Tapate50]

Well, Beachy most likely isn't the Beachy we remember and Wood would be on an innings limit and in his 1st real year as a starter. So yeah, I'd take Haren over both

Interesting take. I can't agree with either. Beachy will be better than Haren, and so will Wood. Wood has been a starter in college and milb, and in MLB. Not sure why we should expect anything worse than what we have gotten so far. If anything ....better.

[benchguy]

900 million for Beachy??? too much for me... LOL

Brandon Beachy > Dan Haren. Beachy at roughly $900M >>>>>>> Dan Haren at $10MM.

[Dalyn]

If Beachy starts in the rotation, we will likely regret it. He needs to be treated similar to how Medlen was (with a little less jerking around).

[Dunit24]

If Beachy starts in the rotation, we will likely regret it. He needs to be treated similar to how Medlen was (with a little less jerking around).

Not really following the Dan Haren hype. He sucks. Im glad we didnt get him. Not worth 10 mil.

[BRule]

Why even consider what Beachy was last year?

Because it's not a given he's going to be healthy?

[thethe]

Because it's not a given he's going to be healthy?

I think its pretty close with the way surgical procedures are performed nowadays but there is always a chance things can go wrong.

[BRule]

I think its pretty close with the way surgical procedures are performed nowadays but there is always a chance things can go wrong.

Couldn't they same be said about pitchers that get TJS? And what has happened with Venters and Beachy?

To say "it's close to a given" that a pitcher coming off back to back injuries will be back to normal is rather crazy, IMO.

[thethe]

Beachy didn't have back to back injuries.