2024 Field

[thethe]

My friend, you are conducting a masterclass at avoiding questions in this thread.

But let me explain my position to you. Donald trump had allies in Arizona government. He believed election integrity was a big problem. And he had two handpicked allies running for major office in Arizona.

Winning these races could have substantially shored up 2025.

My question is why wasn't trump and team trump working overtime on election integrity in Arizona. Why wasn't trump sending millions to two great allies.

Do you not see how much better Trump's road to victory would be even with this single outcome?

Because there was a gov and attorney general that did **** after the SPONSORED audit showed massive fraud in the 2020 election. Any other questions?

[thethe]

I am open to the idea that tarrifs are a great tool for economic prosperity. I have not seen any evidence to support this claim though. Are you able to provide any?

I saw that Biden will impose tarrifs on Russia. These will almost certainly raise costs of energy globally, and in America. I would love to know why they are actually a smart idea

Your argument against is rising costs. Duh. The costs are low because of slave labor. The whole idea is to stop using slave labor. Just on that fact alone tariffs are a massive win. But when you change the economics of a supply chain the supply chain adapts. It just needs more than a year or two.

[thethe]

Trump literally worked with the Arizona senate to get the audit done. Audit reveals massive fraud. Cowards ducey and bronovich do **** with the smoking guns.

DAMN TRUMP!

[sturg33]

Trump literally worked with the Arizona senate to get the audit done. Audit reveals massive fraud. Cowards ducey and bronovich do **** with the smoking guns.

DAMN TRUMP!

What this tells me is that trump was unable to overcome the system that is stacked against him.

[thethe]

What this tells me is that trump was unable to overcome the system that is stacked against him.

Oh sturg - classic.

Why didn’t trump do anything? He did the following but the people in power were either on the take or to weak to do anything.

Sturg “DAMN TRUMP”

[sturg33]

Oh sturg - classic.

If my argument is that I don't believe trump has shown the ability to overcome the institutional cheating, and thus don't want to gamble on him successfully doing so in 2024...

The wrong argument to make is all the places that trump was not successful in overcoming the institutional cheating

[sturg33]

Also,

I was substantial retribution against Biden for this (rumored) political move.

And I 100% believe that DeSantis will actually do it... Fauci too.

I do not believe trump would

[thethe]

If my argument is that I don't believe trump has shown the ability to overcome the institutional cheating, and thus don't want to gamble on him successfully doing so in 2024...

The wrong argument to make is all the places that trump was not successful in overcoming the institutional cheating

Yeah that was most definitely trumps fault that audit evidence detailing fraudulent activities were not acted on.

[sturg33]

Yeah that was most definitely trumps fault that audit evidence detailing fraudulent activities were not acted on.

I'm not saying it's his fault.

I'm saying it was unsuccessful.

He is not the current president. Lake is not the current governor

[thethe]

Also,

I was substantial retribution against Biden for this (rumored) political move.

And I 100% believe that DeSantis will actually do it... Fauci too.

I do not believe trump would

Desantis and team are obviously thrilled. But I’m sure once the pressure is in they’ll make a weak statement. Just like when it became politically viable to go against lockdowns team desantis did as well.

[thethe]

I'm not saying it's his fault.

I'm saying it was unsuccessful.

He is not the current president. Lake is not the current governor

So you’ll hold it against him when the outcome would have been the same regardless of the victim?

[sturg33]

Desantis and team are obviously thrilled. But I’m sure once the pressure is in they’ll make a weak statement. Just like when it became politically viable to go against lockdowns team desantis did as well.

By retribution, I mean locking hunter Biden in prison.

DeSantis has shown the spine to do this. And I want it done.

Fauci too of course, but I want Fauci in GITMO.

Trump won't go after Fauci because there is too much tape of trump praising him

[sturg33]

So you’ll hold it against him when the outcome would have been the same regardless of the victim?

Holding it against isn't the term I'd use... But in essence, yes.

I care about winning. That has to happen. And trump last 6 years have been dreadful electorally.

There are legitimate reasons and excuses for this... But he hasn't been able to overcome them. I believe other candidates can. I may very well be wrong... But RDS has a track record of growing his vote count by 19 points in one cycle.

I think trump famously one said "I don't like losers." And neither do i

[thethe]

By retribution, I mean locking hunter Biden in prison.

DeSantis has shown the spine to do this. And I want it done.

Fauci too of course, but I want Fauci in GITMO.

Trump won't go after Fauci because there is too much tape of trump praising him

Desantis has a ruby red state and what has he done exactly? Loudly reprimanded Disney?

You think this is the resume of someone that will be able to make things happen with a dividdd Washington? You can’t actually believe that.

[sturg33]

Desantis has a ruby red state and what has he done exactly? Loudly reprimanded Disney?

You think this is the resume of someone that will be able to make things happen with a dividdd Washington? You can’t actually believe that.

Well...

His ruby red state was won by the thinnest margin in 30 years... Less than 10k votes

He has since revoked Disney's special tax exemption to operate their land privately, that they enjoyed since the 1940s I believe.

He banned CRT in schools

He banned teachers from discussing sex with children.

He banned porno books from from school libraries

He revoked a major corps liquor license for hosting a grooming drag show for little kids

He banned local jurisdiction from imposing COVID mandates like masks on citizens

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This is just off the top of my head. He has shown a willingness to actually execute on his bluster.

Trump on the other hand... Threatened to withhold weapons from Ukraine if they don't spill the dirt on Biden. They didn't. He gave them the weapons anyways. And then he got impeached for his efforts.

That is one example of MANY where he refused to actually execute on his threats.

A second timely example was when he said he would put Hilary in jail. He didn't. And now they are trying to put him in jail.

When it comes to having a spine and execution, please give me the guy who has actually done it successfully

[sturg33]

I want Fauci in prison

Trump won't put him there.

DeSantis might

[cajunrevenge]

Neither will because there is nothing to prosecute him on. Curious though that you favor politically persecuting Fauchi but cry about prosecuting the elites in our society.

[sturg33]

Your boy was awful early in pandemic. Y’all got played. Stick with me. My judgement is sound and I don’t run when times get tough.

I’d love the people that say trump ****ed up early in the pandemic to tell me what deeeeSantis did well early. Who was closing beaches? Who was forcing quarantine in travel from other states? Who was gloating about vaccines as well?

Selective memory y’all.

I would like to dig into the specifics of this...

but before i do, can you clarify your position?

Is it that DeSantis was awful, but Trump was not awful?

Is it that they were both awful? But DeSantis's awfulness was worse?

And do you put a lot of weight into the early judgement and decision making from the pandemic, when deciding who to support next year?

[sturg33]

Neither will because there is nothing to prosecute him on. Curious though that you favor politically persecuting Fauchi but cry about prosecuting the elites in our society.

1. there is an infinite amount to prosecute him on

2. nonsense - now that pandora's box is open.. i want everyone prosecuted and i want a lot of revenge

[chop2chip]

All this over a St Patrick’s picture?