REAL FOOTBALL Thread

[thethe]

The numbers I posted are passes thrown in the air by yardage. Thus, you fail again. For example, RG3 on passes thrown over 41 yards.

Your link is based on what guys did after the catch. Apples to oranges. BC RG3 put the ball in position for his receivers to make yards after the catch shouldn't be held against him. He doesn't have big physical WRers where he can just throw the ball up and let them make the play.

No, RG3 has very quick receivers that have the ability to make plays after the catch. Should that be used to prop him up?

My link is average air yards per attempt. How does that have anything to do with YAC?

[gilesfan]

Very quick? Like Josh Morgan, Leonard Hankerson, Moss (who has slowed down), Garcon?


How did that 2 of them compare on balls thrown downfield like you claimed?

[thethe]

Very quick? Like Josh Morgan, Leonard Hankerson, Moss (who has slowed down), Garcon?


How did that 2 of them compare on balls thrown downfield like you claimed?

Well since Kaep started he has the highest percentage of ball throws deep and the highest completion percentage. Do you disagree?

Garcon and Moss aren't quick receivers? Not everyone is Cobb.

Please show your source of those stats that show all of those RG3 completions are air yards.

[gilesfan]

ESPN.

I posted the stats. You interpret how you want.

[thethe]

ESPN.

I posted the stats. You interpret how you want.

So ESPN has adjusted those stats to just be in air stats?

You do realize that you are wrong right?

[gilesfan]

What are you talking about?

Pass Thrown 11-20 yds 52 83 1,119 62.7 13.48 88 3 2 0 108.4 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 11 18 306 61.1 17.00 37 3 0 0 144.7 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown 31-40 yds 0 4 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0 39.6 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown 41+ yds 4 13 246 30.8 18.92 68 4 0 0 119.4 0 0 0.0 0 0

[thethe]

What are you talking about?

Pass Thrown 11-20 yds 52 83 1,119 62.7 13.48 88 3 2 0 108.4 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 11 18 306 61.1 17.00 37 3 0 0 144.7 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown 31-40 yds 0 4 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0 39.6 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown 41+ yds 4 13 246 30.8 18.92 68 4 0 0 119.4 0 0 0.0 0 0

So why is their conflicting information elsewhere?

That to me is the resulting yardage after the play.

Kaep threw a higher percentage of his passes down the field and had less of his stats as a result of having speedier wide receivers.

[gilesfan]

Yes. Like it should.

[thethe]

Yes. Like it should.

Do you deny that Kaep averaged more yards in the air per throw than RG3?

[gilesfan]

Do you deny that Kaep averaged more yards in the air per throw than RG3?

No. What does that have to do with what I said?

You claim he threw more yards downfield, right? I agree, he threw 37% of his passes over 10 yards, where RG3 threw 30% of his passes over 10 yards. On those passes over 10 yards, RG3 completed a higher percentage of passes.

Unless your definition of downfield is 0-10 yards.

[gilesfan]

Who is more accurate on balls downfield? I'd love for that other 49er fan to answer. The one that knocked the Big 12 while supporting a QB from the Mountain West or whatever conference Nevada is in.

[thethe]

No. What does that have to do with what I said?

You claim he threw more yards downfield, right? I agree, he threw 37% of his passes over 10 yards, where RG3 threw 30% of his passes over 10 yards. On those passes over 10 yards, RG3 completed a higher percentage of passes.

Unless your definition of downfield is 0-10 yards.

No but RG3 has a higher concentration of his passes in the 10-19 range. Still a good area of attack but if you are talking about downfield throwers than the further you throw the ball down the field the more weight it should have.

Nobody can attack a defense down the field like Kaep can. That doesn't make him better than RG3. They are just different QB's.

[gilesfan]

Im not wasting my time looking, but I'm sure there are other QBs that can attack a defense down the field.

To repost:

0-4 on passes 41+ yards
2-8 on passes 31-39 yards
15-19 on passes 21-30 yards
25-50 on passes 11-20

[BRule]

Everyone remember when I told thethe that Kap > Smith and the 9ers were better off with Kap? And thethe said no way, 9ers need to stick with Smith?

Everyone remember that?

Good times

[thethe]

Among quarterbacks with at least 30 passes that have traveled 20-plus yards downfield, Kaepernick ranks first with an accuracy percentage of 60.6, according to Pro Football Focus. Second? That would be Rodgers at 53.2.

[thethe]

Everyone remember when I told thethe that Kap > Smith and the 9ers were better off with Kap? And thethe said no way, 9ers need to stick with Smith?

Everyone remember that?

Good times

Yes, and I was wrong. I believed in Kaep I just didn't like the switch in the middle of the season. Smith is going to do well in KC just you watch.

I'm glad I was wrong BRULE.

[thethe]

Here’s a look at the NFL most accurate deep-ball passers, per PFF (Note: Alex Smith had an accuracy percentage of 50.0, completing 9 of 18 such passes with no drops):

1. Colin Kaepernick, 49ers

Attempts of 20-plus yards: 33

Completions: 19

Drops: 1

Accuracy percentage: 60.6

2. Aaron Rodgers, Packers

Attempts of 20-plus yards: 62

Completions: 26

Drops: 7

Accuracy percentage: 53.2

3. Peyton Manning, Broncos

Attempts of 20-plus yards: 72

Completions: 33

Drops: 5

Accuracy percentage: 52.8

4. Cam Newton, Panthers

Attempts of 20-plus yards: 63

Completions: 28

Drops: 5

Accuracy percentage: 52.4

5. Robert Griffin III, Redskins

Attempts of 20-plus yards: 36

Completions: 16

Drops: 2

Accuracy percentage: 50.0

[gilesfan]

So your definition of deeps balls is 21-30 yards? Because that is where Kaep made his mark and appears to have been the best in the league (in a really short sample) Compare the QB's when throwing the ball 30+ yards.

[Heyward]

Quality post as usual.

Yeah, Gonzo/Roddy/Julio isn't very good.

Lulz.

[Heyward]

I hope he comes back healthy because he is a hell of a QB and football player.

He just posted on twitter he's cleared to practice.