Braves104life will hate Heyward till the end
A pitching heavy era? What are you thinking up your own logic now? How is the pitching different now from back then? With the exception of flame throwers in the BP.
How many 100 RBI seasons has Heyward had ?
How many times has Heyward played a full 162?
How many times has Heyward hit over 30 doubles in a season?
Understood Failcouer didn't pan out, but Heyward isn't exactly lighting up any franchise records his first 4 seasons with the bat.
Francoeur is a really low, low, low, low, low bar.
There's this thing we have called stats. We can tell that hitters across the board are hitting less than they did 5 years ago. It's happened a lot in baseball. Bullpens are better, the starting pitching is better, and other factors may apply as well. You can choose to ignore facts, you're allowed to, doesn't mean that they don't exist for those who choose to actually you know, use them.
RBI's are a worth less stat, most players don't play 162, 30 doubles is arbitrary and I guess the year he hit 30 doubles and 27 homers while swiping 20 bases, driving in 80 and scoring 90, he's just the ****ing worst. lulz
Heyward isn't setting records, but so what, does everyone have to set records? Can't a guy be special without setting records? Was Hudson not awesome cause he didn't set records for us? What the **** kind of logic is that?
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No it's not. You haven't pulled anything of any substance yet. Your post in this thread about "stats" have said that Francoeur has hit circles around Heyward, Heyward's post season stats, and did he reach some arbitrary standards that you've decided are key to being a good hitter.
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First off, I apologize for the being touched and needing counseling, that was distasteful and unnecessary.
Second off, you do not need me to post stats concerning Franceour when I know you have seen them.
But you act like you have pure facts about the games evolution of pitching since 2005 without posting a thing. As if you went through all the position players' stats since 2005.
I'm jk.
Yea I agree. I wasn't saying or implying that Heyward would never be considered a major leaguer if he doesn't put up #s similar to Framceour's good days. I was just implying that I think Franceour was STATISTICALLY hitting better than Heyward when he got canned.
I understand that.
Franceour hit .239 in 08' and was hitting about .250 when he got traded.
Heyward has most certainly shown glimpses as being a hitter you can't get out, but has never translated that on the field consistently. I never said to cut him or bench him, he's obviously our best option at the moment. I just mentioned to not forget this come contract time.
Francoeur never walked. Heyward still gets walks.
Batting average means nothing comparing the two because Francoeur's value was simply singles and homers. Plus Francouer's range in the outfield is nothing like Heyward's.
Forever Fredi
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/bat.shtml
In 2009 there was 4.61 RPG in 2010 there was 4.38 and that number continued to drop. Baseball as a hitting environment is totally changed, anyone paying attention to the league would know it.
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