Is there any particular reason you are so hateful? I'm just posting what people who know more than you, I, or anyone on this board are reporting.Originally Posted by Enscheff
Is there any particular reason you are so hateful? I'm just posting what people who know more than you, I, or anyone on this board are reporting.
"Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon"
You have to like the moves so far. Colon and Dicky on 1 year deals where you can pretty much bank on ~200 innings from each. Garcia pitched 170 innings last year, striking out 150.
All 3 provide benefits. They will eat innings. Something last years rotation did not.
And if we get an ace this offseason, great. If not, it's not the end of the world.
Get off my lawn!
cajunrevenge (12-01-2016), Chico (12-01-2016)
Seems like a lot to give up for Garcia, but he could revert back to 2015 form so we'll see.
50PoundHead (12-01-2016), jpx7 (12-01-2016)
I don't like this deal at all.
Braves1976 (12-01-2016)
On paper, Julio/Folty/Garcia/Dickey/Colon is a solid rotation seems like a slight overpay though on the Braves end.
Every single knowledgeable fan and commentator knew Sale and Archer weren't coming to the Braves. Yet you insisted it was plausible. Next year there will be other guys the Braves have 0% chance to acquire that you will insist are plausible targets. Will you ever learn?
First of all I love the trade. Dykstra and Ellis are non factors for us. This is now 3 pitchers we could conceviable trade in July if we have a youngster step up and show theyre ready.
I don't think this ends a trade for a potential ace. I've thought Folty may be a arm going back in a trade. He's one year away from arbitration, seems to have injury issues, and battles inconsistencies. I know everyone loves Folty, but I would not be surprised if it happened. This does make it to where we can be choosier about what trade we decide to accept though. There is still a good chance we don't make any.
Price seems fair, though I am a Gant fan. Need Jaime to stay healthy. If he does, very strong QO candidate. Big if though.
Every single reporter in on this story is reporting that the Braves are still in talks for an ace, you ****wit.
Agreed. While the 3 guys they gave up likely won't have much (if at all) MLB impact, the Braves used what little trade value they did have to get a pitcher who is very injury prone, and is making $12M. The Cards weren't even a lock to pick up his option when the offseason started, yet they turned him into 3 warm bodies. Gant has a non-zero chance to contribute out of the BP, and the Cards turn prospects like Dykstra into MLB contributors seemingly every season.
Nice move by the Cards, imo.
jpx7 (12-01-2016)
Yeah, I feel like we've already filled the innings-eater bucket. And Garcia is so fragile.
jpx7 (12-01-2016)
Ellis and Gant are decent but nothing to lose sleep over.
If Garcia does good, can QO him or trade him at the deadline.
Use your brain. Where is that Ace going to pitch? Do you think they are going to package Folty for that Ace?
Seems like now would be a good time for you to take me up on a signature bet.
I was OK at Ellis/Dykstra, but Gant + eating the full $12MM leaves me with a sour taste. Garcia is an interesting gamble and he's certainly flippable, but he was putrid during the second-half and is about as brittle as they come.
50PoundHead (12-01-2016), jpx7 (12-01-2016)
Yes this is very very possible. Especially for Archer.
"Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon"
I dont think we get them but too early to say now.
And next offseason there's a much better FA class out there and the Braves will have plenty of money to spend.
So many willing to tell me I'm wrong, but not one willing to put any stakes on their opinion?
Trading Folty for an Ace to pitch during a non-contention season would be beyond foolish. I certainly hope the Braves are smarter than that.
Last edited by Enscheff; 12-01-2016 at 06:37 PM.
I am going to call this one a head scratcher. I do not see how Garcia is a big upgrade over anything we have and he is only a one year deal. 3 players for him sees a bit stiff for a guy you have to pay 12M for. I guess they think they might be able to turn him for something of value at the trade deadline? I do not see this as a move that bolsters our prospects for 2017.
50PoundHead (12-01-2016), jpx7 (12-01-2016)
I guess the only way it makes sense is if Foltynewicz or Teheran are in a swap for an ace.
What's the difference in having him or Archer? Both under control the same amount of time, and I'd prefer Archer over Folty.
"Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon"
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