Varvaro traded to Red Sox for RHP Kurcz

[Hawk]

Huh? I don't get what you are even trying to do.

I have strong reason to believe your chain is being yanked.

[nsacpi]

I'm glad to see the emerging consensus that FIP is flawed not to mention unfair.

[Braves1976]

I have strong reason to believe your chain is being yanked.

I have reason to believe that too. :)

[Metaphysicist]

I'm glad to see the emerging consensus that FIP is flawed not to mention unfair.

It's more that FIP is used incorrectly by many people.

[nsacpi]

It's more that FIP is used incorrectly by many people.

Well it is also unfair. Which is important to some of us.

[Braves1976]

Well it is also unfair. Which is important to some of us.

I can see you're all broken up about that too.

PS: JFYI, your PM box is full so I couldn't respond to your most recent PM. Just thought I'd let ya know. :)

[chop2chip]

No. If anything FIP is unfair to flyball pitchers.

That's fair. I wasn't quite sure how that went.

I think it's fair to be skeptical of Johnson moving forward since he has recent history of relying more heavily on luck than other successful relievers.

I think the bigger concern with JJ is whether or not he's going to have control moving forward. If that regresses back to the mean than I think there is a fair chance he can be a useful guy.

[chop2chip]

I have strong reason to believe your chain is being yanked.

Gotcha.

[Metaphysicist]

Well it is also unfair. Which is important to some of us.

Ultimately, FIP is neither fair nor unfair. It is a statistic that can be used correctly or incorrectly, with context or without context.

When we speak of it being "unfair" to flyball pitchers, this is:

1) referring to a very minor effect for a small number of pitchers
2) merely something that should be considered when evaluating future potential

FIP doesn't treat any pitcher differently than any other, so it is equally "fair." FIP doesn't capture all sorts of value, because that's not what it is for.

[nsacpi]

I can see you're all broken up about that too.

PS: JFYI, your PM box is full so I couldn't respond to your most recent PM. Just thought I'd let ya know. :)

I'll let my butler know. He is supposed to clear it every fortnight.

[skillet]

http://www.talkingchop.com/2014/12/1...s-trade-rumors

Speculating that Varvaro could be soon included in a deal with Justin or Gattis. All I know is we better get something decent for him.

[gcbraves]

I prefer baseball ref war too for pitchers. But going forward I don't think Johnson will be all that good. Most relievers peak for 2-3 years and are done. I think Vavaro would of been a better option from 2015 forward. Not that it matters much.

Wait, there isn't one WAR to rule them all?

[jsebe10]

So we cut a durable Vavarro but keep David Carpenter....

[thewupk]

Wait, there isn't one WAR to rule them all?

not yet

[dak]

So we cut a durable Vavarro but keep David Carpenter....

I for one think Carpenter is clearly better than Varvaro. I mean he's just a 7th inning guy to be sure, but Carp seems to get a bad rap around here.

[goldfly]

and the bad offseason continues

[Hawk]

but Carp seems to get a bad rap around here.

[blueagleace1]

The main reason I don't like this move is because Varvaro is a guy who can go multiple innings in addition to the typical one inning as everyone else.

[Braves1976]

The main reason I don't like this move is because Varvaro is a guy who can go multiple innings in addition to the typical one inning as everyone else.

Don't fret, I have reason to believe that Varvaro will be replaced by South Carolina's own Michael Kohn. :)

[CyYoung31]

This is ban worthy.