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    There is no point in herd immunity if we can protect the people that actually die or get very ill.

    To argue against that is nonsensical. Overwhelming majority of cases are completely asymptomatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    There is no point in herd immunity if we can protect the people that actually die or get very ill.

    To argue against that is nonsensical. Overwhelming majority of cases are completely asymptomatic.
    You really have no clue. What is so frustrating at times is how hardcore you think you're right when you literally say things that someone who has even marginally researched this kind of thing would know is completely wrong. Herd immunity is imperative. End of story. Thinking otherwise is just beyond stupid at this point.

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    Give me one reason why herd immunity is imperative now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    Herd immunity is imperative. End of story.
    Trump was right again

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Trump was right again
    It was only true when we couldn’t protect the at risk. That is no longer the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Give me one reason why herd immunity is imperative now.
    Because of mutations. Several people have tried to explain that to you, including myself. We've already seen changes in the spike protein. That's a problem. We need herd immunity before the winter, but it won't happen because people who don't understand this think that the summer drop and the lifting of restrictions means they are safe and don't need to get vaccinated, so they aren't. Hopefully we still get there, but it seems less likely by the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Trump was right again
    Who the hell other than your side has ever said herd immunity wasn't imperative? Certainly not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    Who the hell other than your side has ever said herd immunity wasn't imperative? Certainly not me.
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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    What we have seen is the many mutations this far are not bypassing prior immunity.

    So again, it’s these low probability events like short lasting immunity that you base your directives on the rest of the population. Don’t push your fear on others.


    Until we actually see a mutation that moves past immunity then there is absolutely no sense in asking healthy people to take a vaccine if they don’t want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    Dude, that is the whole point in pushing vaccines. Seriously. What in the world are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    Wild. Just like fauchi they have to contort every single day so as to not look like foolish hypocrites every time they open their mouths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Wild. Just like fauchi they have to contort every single day so as to not look like foolish hypocrites every time they open their mouths.
    Go ahead. Find where I have said one word against herd immunity. I'll wait.

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    Y'all sure are some gaslighting mother****ers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Trump was right again
    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    It was only true when we couldn’t protect the at risk. That is no longer the case.
    I always enjoyed watching Freddie Gonzalez manage against Don Mattingly. Popcorn anyone?
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

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    You advocated for lockdowns. That is the very definition of arguing against herd immunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    Y'all sure are some gaslighting mother****ers.
    You sure are a scared man pushing your fears to others for extremely low probability events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    You sure are a scared man pushing your fears to others for extremely low probability events.
    What am I scared of exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    What am I scared of exactly?
    Variants reinfecting people.

    Short lasting immunity.

    Originally herd immunity as you advocated for lockdowns.

    Need I go on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    You advocated for lockdowns. That is the very definition of arguing against herd immunity.
    Not for someone who understands herd immunity. We were never going to get there without vaccines. While I think the lockdown could've been handled better, I think anything to possibly slow down the rate of mutation was overall a reasonable decision. Ultimately, it was only 3 months, and it has been over for practically a year. If you were right, we would already have herd immunity. We don't. Another bonus to the lockdown and masks is the absolute asskicking we gave the flu this past year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    Not for someone who understands herd immunity. We were never going to get there without vaccines. While I think the lockdown could've been handled better, I think anything to possibly slow down the rate of mutation was overall a reasonable decision. Ultimately, it was only 3 months, and it has been over for practically a year. If you were right, we would already have herd immunity. We don't. Another bonus to the lockdown and masks is the absolute asskicking we gave the flu this past year.
    You could absolutely get to her immunity which is in essence an extremely low transmission rate as there are fewer uninflected hosts. The idea should have always been to make sure as many low risk people got infected so the high risk could live their lives after a few months.

    The whole point of obtaining herd immunity was to protect the at risk. Now we have a way to protect them without herd immunity.

    So aside from your completely non scientific fear of variants tell me why should we strive for herd immunity?
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