Bradley Manning Statement After Verdict

[sturg33]

They have hated us for much longer than that. If it wasn't the reasons you posted above they would find others to paint us as the devil.

Can you expand on this?

When did they start hating us? How do you know that? How many Americans have they killed? How many attacks have the done on us?

[thethe]

Can you expand on this?

When did they start hating us? How do you know that? How many Americans have they killed? How many attacks have the done on us?

Oh man...I can't believe you can continue to be this naive about this. You honestly believe that this is a relative new phenomena that Radical Muslims and the Persians before hate western Europeans?

They can't get to America easily because of natural borders. But that changes quickly with technology. This is where I believe you have the issue of understanding the real world. Really bright guy but illogical.

[CK86]

They don't hate us because we're free or because we're Americans, they hate us because we bomb the hell out of them with no consequences.

We're their best recruiter because we don't change. We use drones in places we're not even at war with to get maybe one bad guy but kill 4 or 5 innocent people. Those families lose loved ones and guess what? They're bitter and want revenge. It's a never ending war that we helped create. The military contractors love that.

This notion of they hate us because we're free is hysterical because it ignores ANY wrongdoings our may have committed. We would be so much better off if we just stayed away and stopped killing innocent people regardless of intention.

You're going to get hated if you live above the law and suffer no consequences for your actions.

"They hate us because we're free", lol. Bush/ Cheney propaganda still lives on!

[thethe]

Yup...if we leave them alone the will go away. Its not like there is an ideological conflict that is happening over there.

Again, why are the Africans at war now with the radical Muslims. They aren't bombing them. I thought the these people only hated the countries that attack them.

Something doesn't make sense.

[goldfly]

Absolutely not. The idea of automatically attaching the word murder to collateral damage due to mistaken identity in war is absurd.

so you didn't watch some of the cables that manning leaked

cool

[gilesfan]

They don't hate us because we're free or because we're Americans, they hate us because we bomb the hell out of them with no consequences.

We're their best recruiter because we don't change. We use drones in places we're not even at war with to get maybe one bad guy but kill 4 or 5 innocent people. Those families lose loved ones and guess what? They're bitter and want revenge. It's a never ending war that we helped create. The military contractors love that.

This notion of they hate us because we're free is hysterical because it ignores ANY wrongdoings our may have committed. We would be so much better off if we just stayed away and stopped killing innocent people regardless of intention.

You're going to get hated if you live above the law and suffer no consequences for your actions.

"They hate us because we're free", lol. Bush/ Cheney propaganda still lives on!

Hyperbole, FTW!

How often did we bomb the hell out of them before 9/11, btw?

[goldfly]

You act like it's a big surprise that innocent people die in war.

:sigh

guess this is what i get for talking to someone who didn't follow the trial or details of it

and now obviously didn't watch or read what he leaked

[CK86]

Which country or area specifically are you referencing when you say Africans are at war with Muslims?

[sturg33]

Hyperbole, FTW!

How often did we bomb the hell out of them before 9/11, btw?

Is this a serious question?

[thethe]

Which country or area specifically are you referencing when you say Africans are at war with Muslims?

Nigeria specifically. This was just today and this type of conflict has been going on for years now:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...97K10N20130821

[sturg33]

Oh man...I can't believe you can continue to be this naive about this. You honestly believe that this is a relative new phenomena that Radical Muslims and the Persians before hate western Europeans?

They can't get to America easily because of natural borders. But that changes quickly with technology. This is where I believe you have the issue of understanding the real world. Really bright guy but illogical.

Sorry - I was asking you specific questions and it doesn't look like you answered any of them?

[thethe]

Sorry - I was asking you specific questions and it doesn't look like you answered any of them?

Are you kidding me? History is not always well documented but wars between the middle eastern people and western European cultures have been going on for centuries. I can't believe you take this angle that Muslims just started hating Americans because we bomb them. What a joke.

[jpx7]

Yes

So you're a bigot.

[sturg33]

Are you kidding me? History is not always well documented but wars between the middle eastern people and western European cultures have been going on for centuries. I can't believe you take this angle that Muslims just started hating Americans because we bomb them. What a joke.

I see. So you don't have any specifics?

I'm not "taking an angle". You said something as a fact and I am unaware of it so please show me what youre talking about.

[jpx7]

Absolutely not. The idea of automatically attaching the word murder to collateral damage due to mistaken identity in war is absurd.

Well then we disagree. And since this issue – defining innocent civilians as "collateral damage" – is hardly one where absolutes are appropriate, I find your your usage of the term "absolutely" to be what's really absurd here; it might be your opinion that "attaching the word murder to collateral damage due to mistaken identity in war is absurd," but it's hardly "absolute" fact.

Moreover: even if "murder" isn't the appropriate term, surely disastrous and mortal mistakes deserve some prosecution and punishment, even if it's not commensurate with punishment for true "murder."

[gilesfan]

So you're a bigot.

Is Gender Identity disorder a mental issue?

[thethe]

I see. So you don't have any specifics?

I'm not "taking an angle". You said something as a fact and I am unaware of it so please show me what youre talking about.

You are also stating something as a fact without really knowing someones intentions. If the radicals hate us because we bomb them then why are they killing thousands of people in Africa (a question you ALWAYS dodge)?

So you don't believe that historical wars had anything to do with animosity towards western Europeans? That is really the stance you are taking?

[Julio3000]

Originally Posted by goldfly
and the people who murdered people walked on their crimes

This, to me, is the most salient complaint in this whole narrative.

^^^^^^^^^^^

This. I'd only add "and ordered torture."

[sturg33]

You are also stating something as a fact without really knowing someones intentions. If the radicals hate us because we bomb them then why are they killing thousands of people in Africa (a question you ALWAYS dodge)?

So you don't believe that historical wars had anything to do with animosity towards western Europeans? That is really the stance you are taking?

I just asked you for some specifics. You gave me zero.

With regards to Africa, can you show me where they have killed thousands? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't know about it and have never cared enough to look into it. I'm out of town on business this weekend, but I'll take a look into the Muslim/African conflict once you show me specifics.

[jpx7]

Is Gender Identity disorder a mental issue?

Not as of the DSM-V.