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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    um but he only walked 1 guy. so still a good start.
    also forgot the part about how he is a proven playoff performer...a sure thing in the post-season...and always pitches well against the Dodgers
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    You left off folty
    Folty has been really bad but I don't think he's getting bounced from the rotation anytime soon either. And if he does it's going to be with someone better than Bumgarner. Stroman I feel is the top choice if it comes to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Let’s check him July 15th. I bet he is much better.
    I hope so. I think he will be. Just thought it was convenient to punch thethe on his latest bold statement without including the worst starter

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I hope so. I think he will be. Just thought it was convenient to punch thethe on his latest bold statement without including the worst starter
    grasping to help him out..solid on you. pretty obvious reason Folty would be left off..
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    Folty just needed a few starts to shake the rust off. Last 6 starts: 34 IP, 3.97 ERA, 4.08 xFIP, 9 K/9, 2.65 BB/9. HR rate is still not where you want it to be, but you can tell Folty is coming around.

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    I hope the nats bring Corbin back on short rest. We've hit lhp well this year, and I'm hopeful snit gets the extra RHH in the lineup like vs matz

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I hope the nats bring Corbin back on short rest. We've hit lhp well this year, and I'm hopeful snit gets the extra RHH in the lineup like vs matz
    plus day game after night game...perfect time to have Camargo in there in place of Markakis
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    plus day game after night game...perfect time to have Camargo in there in place of Markakis
    I agree. If Corbin starts, I want camargo in RF. We need to see if he can play there

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    TheThe is on the level of Shanks with his love for MadBum. lol It's just not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    TheThe is on the level of Shanks with his love for MadBum. lol It's just not good.
    He's better than Gausman, i wouldnt empty the farm for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    He's better than Gausman, i wouldnt empty the farm for him.
    How much better is he really though? Gausman has been super unlucky and possibly dealing with an injury for longer than we thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Madbum: 4.20 FIP 1.0 fWAR
    Teheran: 4.35 FIP 1.0 fWAR
    Fried: 3.97 FIP 1.2 fWAR
    Gausman: 4.13 FIP 0.8 fWAR

    I'm still waiting on thethe to tell me how Bumgarner is so much better than what we already have on the roster.
    The bad results of this latest start doesn't mean Bumgarner is a bad pitcher any more than the good results of some of his earlier starts meant he was a TOR guy.

    Most of the stats folks look at simply aren't predictive, and people like tehteh and misstake7 routinely try to use them in a predictive manner despite having it explained and proven to them repeatedly.

    Bumgarner's xwOBA is now sitting at .343. That is a back end SP, no matter what narrative fans want to build around him. He is fine for filling in the back of a rotation, but he is not a guy that a team should be willing to give up a package of Newk and Fried to acquire, and he is not a guy a team should be extending for 6ish years.

    How many times do these same posters have to argue from a position of ignorance, and be proven wrong, before they realize they don't know much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    He's better than Gausman, i wouldnt empty the farm for him.
    Wrong.

    Gausman xwOBA: .324
    Bumgarner xwOBA: .343

    Gausman FIP: 4.13
    Bumgarner FIP: 4.20

    Please stop arguing from a position of extreme ignorance.

    You are, like many others, letting Bumgarner's overall results in an extreme pitchers' park incorrectly skew your valuation of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    The bad results of this latest start doesn't mean Bumgarner is a bad pitcher any more than the good results of some of his earlier starts didn't mean he was a TOR guy.

    Most of the stats folks look at simply aren't predictive, and people like tehteh and misstake7 routinely try to use them in a predictive manner despite having it explained and proven to them repeatedly.

    Bumgarner's xwOBA is now sitting at .343. That is a back end SP, no matter what narrative fans want to build around him. He is fine for filling in the back of a rotation, but he is not a guy that a team should be willing to give up a package of Newk and Fried to acquire, and he is not a guy a team should be extending for 6ish years.

    How many times do these same posters have to argue from a position of ignorance, and be proven wrong, before they realize they don't know much?
    1-1 on our bets. Let's see how this one turns out

    ETA... actually, I'm 2-1 vs you. I lost on KEMvP, and won on Adams and camargo

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    1-1 on our bets. Let's see how this one turns out

    ETA... actually, I'm 2-1 vs you. I lost on KEMvP, and won on Adams and camargo
    I can't remember any other bets besides the Camargo one. Mous WAR vs Camargo WAR last year, correct?

    So yes, you won the bet in 2018, but I was ultimately correct about Camargo long term claiming he is a bench player.

    Just like dumb luck for a single season can make a player look good, dumb luck can make you right for a short period of time.

    I'm also going to guess the other times you won was simply because I didn't allow for enough of a sample size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I can't remember any other bets besides the Camargo one. Mous WAR vs Camargo WAR last year, correct?

    So yes, you won the bet in 2018, but I was ultimately correct about Camargo long term claiming he is a bench player.

    Just like dumb luck for a single season can make a player look good, dumb luck can make you right for a short period of time.

    I'm also going to guess the other times you won was simply because I didn't allow for enough of a sample size.
    Nah, it was just my SUPERIOR baseball knowledge shining through. If you study real hard, one day you too can be a baseball genius like myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I can't remember any other bets besides the Camargo one. Mous WAR vs Camargo WAR last year, correct?

    So yes, you won the bet in 2018, but I was ultimately correct about Camargo long term claiming he is a bench player.

    Just like dumb luck for a single season can make a player look good, dumb luck can make you right for a short period of time.

    I'm also going to guess the other times you won was simply because I didn't allow for enough of a sample size.
    I still think it's possible Camargo at 3b could be a 2-3 WAR player. Now obviously Moose Tacos is still better than him, but I do think you sell Camargo short quite a bit. He plays good defense at the hot corner and is likely a .750+ OPS hitter.

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    friend sent me a headline mentioning the Phillies pursuing Bauer...the proposed return for the Indians for Bauer?
    Mickey Moniak. that's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    friend sent me a headline mentioning the Phillies pursuing Bauer...the proposed return for the Indians for Bauer?
    Mickey Moniak. that's it.
    No chance.
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