Draft pick loss only applies for contracts of 50 million or more.
Moose for 10 million this year, 30 million next year and team option for 9 million.
Olney must've been referring to teams that lose a player who was extended a QO. Teams that sign such a player still lose a draft pick, but where it is varies based on team revenue. If a team is over the luxury tax they lose a 1st and 5th round pick (assuming they have no additional picks in between). Revenue-sharing recipients (like the Braves) lose their 3rd highest pick. So, signing Mouse would hurt us a lot less than many teams.
Relevant Link: https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-qualify...ed/c-259650658
Olney is wrong either way. KC gets a pick no matter how much Mous gets. The pick is after the 1st round if greater than $50M, or after the 2nd round of under $50M.
The new rules are confusing, but I expect these writers who do this for a living to understand them.
Just another reason to ignore anything anyone at ESPN has to say about baseball.
KC gets (from Freshmakers post):
“Under the new rules, if the team that loses the free agent is a revenue-sharing recipient, based on its revenues and market size, then the selection -- if and only if the lost player signs for at least $50 million -- will be awarded a pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A of the 2018 MLB Draft. If the player signs for less than $50 million, the compensation pick for those teams would come after Competitive Balance Round B, which follows the second round.”
Braves lose:
“A non-market disqualified Revenue Sharing Payee Club shall forfeit its third highest remaining selection in the next Rule 4 Draft.”
They already lost their 3rd pick, so they will lose their 4th pick whether they sign Mous for $1 or $100M. If they can get him for ~$50M, it is probably a good enough bargain they need to seriously try to make it happen.
Last edited by Enscheff; 02-25-2018 at 10:55 AM.
I wonder if these unsigned guys wouldn't be better off waiting until after the draft to sign where attached comp goes away.
Think about it this way - teams spend millions of prospect capital to bring in needed help at the All-Star break (and before and after).
If a few of the high profile agents pulled together and got a field in Florida where their clients could play and keep sharp, then they may actually get their clients a better contract by waiting. You have basically three areas to draw from - the high end who aren't getting the contracts they think they deserve (Arrieta, Moustakas, Lynn, Cobb, etc.), the veteran guys with injury/performance concerns (Anderson, Melky Cabrera, Yunel Escobar, Clippard, Coghlan, Collmenter, Dickey, Duda, etc.) and the guys who are likely to only get a ST invite anyway and likely end up on some AAA team.
It would be like a developmental league for stars and injury rehabbers and AAAA last chancers.
The risk to the player (say a guy like Arrieta) is that he performs badly and ends up with a worse contract and/or he gets injured.
The concept is a bit like what Clemens did a few years ago but for different reasons.
Drew and morales tried this already. It didn’t work out well for them. Both ended up signing 1 year deals for less than the QO they turned down.
Nobody has done it since, for good reason.
There will be enough pitchers injured in ST that all of Arrieta, Lynn, Cobb and Holland should find acceptable multi year deals. Teams like the Twins and Brewers still need to add to the rotation, and have the means to do so.
I have no idea where Mous will end up though.
Last edited by Enscheff; 02-25-2018 at 12:17 PM.
Sawchick agrees:
Nick S
12:52 Mous to the Braves for 4/50, paid out as 5/15/15/15?
Travis Sawchik
12:52 Mous to the Braves has made sense, at least to me, for awhile now
I honestly don't know if the Braves can afford $5M this year for Mous though.
We know for certain the Braves are restricted to back loaded deals, so it stands to reason they let Mous know all about it.
What they can afford for 2018 is a guess, but we know for sure it's less than $10M. It may be less than $5M after we saw what Maybin signed for.
The Braves could also dump the cash they've spent on fungible arms like Brothers, Moylan and Whitley to get closer to enough cash to pay Mous in 2018. They may be completely tapped out for 2018 at $107M plus whatever they are setting aside for Kazmir's deferred money. Hard to say right now.
Remember when folks said the $10M in value the Braves potentially threw away by promoting Swanson and Albies means nothing? Well guess what? The Braves aren't signing Mous at a bargain right now because they don't have an extra $10M available to spend. Signing Markakis to post 1-2 WAR for a losing team is directly responsible for the Braves not having Mous to contribute to a team that may actually be competitive.
All these sub-optimal moves add up and make the team worse over time. The previous FO made about one sub-optimal move per year, and now here we are...no money to spend on a 3B that will likely sign for a huge bargain while the Braves project to get barely better than replacement level production at the position.
Last edited by Enscheff; 02-26-2018 at 07:14 PM.
nsacpi (02-26-2018)
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
As usual you are so stupid you completely missed the point.
The early promotions of those players will likely cost the Braves in 5-6 years, and could cause them to miss out on signing a player just like the Markakis contract is forcing them to miss out on a Mous bargain now.
Please, try to keep up dum dum.
Last edited by Enscheff; 02-26-2018 at 09:19 PM.