Shootings In Las Vegas

[sturg33]

“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” – George Washington

“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” – Alexander Hamilton.

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson.

“To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason.

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe.” – Noah Webster.

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin.

“A free people ought to be armed.” – George Washington.

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” – Thomas Jefferson.

[57Brave]

said the 18th century

[goldfly]

ah, 18th century weapons thinking to govern 21st century weapons

makes total sense

[57Brave]

“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” – George Washington

“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” – Alexander Hamilton.

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson.

“To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason.

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe.” – Noah Webster.

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin.

“A free people ought to be armed.” – George Washington.

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” – Thomas Jefferson.

LOLGOP‏ @LOLGOP 2m2 minutes ago

LOLGOP Retweeted Frank Thorp V

If a brown person had killed 69, they'd be talking about banning a religion or building a 2,000 mile wall. Instead, we get, "Try ducking."

[57Brave]

“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” – George Washington

“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” – Alexander Hamilton.

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson.

“To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason.

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe.” – Noah Webster.

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin.

“A free people ought to be armed.” – George Washington.

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” – Thomas Jefferson.

Wasn't a friend of your injured in a shooting in Virginia a couple back ?
How are they

[thethe]

ah, 18th century weapons thinking to govern 21st century weapons

makes total sense

I suppose we should apply that same logic to immigration then right?

[sturg33]

Notice the quotes aren't about the types of weapons. It's about a free citizenry having arms

Founding fathers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 57 & goldy

[57Brave]

Founding fathers - freedom

you got any more f wordcliches ?

fa-get-abotit
one you missed

[sturg33]

Yes - I recognize that you only see freedom as a cliche.

The left is definitely winning on that front

[57Brave]

LOLGOP‏ @LOLGOP 6m6 minutes ago

More people died in one shooting than all the cases of in-person voter fraud in over a decade, and Trump wants us to do nothing about it.

[57Brave]

Yes - I recognize that you only see freedom as a cliche.

The left is definitely winning on that front

When weighing freedom and you value one being able to walk around with a shopping cart armory over people innocently attending a movie,concert or children in school
Then justifying the owning a shopping cart .. as a "freedom"
yes your use of the word is cliched

It has no meaning
It is in fact the opposite.

59 people died while one expressed his "freedom"
cliche is being polite

[thethe]

Quite the scheme the left has going.

An apparent radical leftist (still to be determined) shoots up a bunch of 'Gun toting Republicans' and now the left screams about gun control.

[sturg33]

59 people died while one expressed his "freedom"
cliche is being polite

I'm not surprised that you think this is what freedom means

[Jaw]

ah, 18th century weapons thinking to govern 21st century weapons

makes total sense

The founding fathers believed the citizenry should have access to the same weapons that the military had. Several Revolutionary War officers owned their own cannons. So the modern day interpretation of the 2nd Amendment has actually made quite a bit of allowance for modern day weaponry.

I've said it before, but it really is a shame that Washington can't come together enough to update the 2nd Amendment with some specificity. I don't believe anyone wants the public to have access to surface to air missiles, or rocket propelled grenades, or a whole lot of other stuff.

Instead of doing that, they pass the buck to the Supreme Court to effectively legislate it in perpetuity. It's a farce.

[goldfly]

Quite the scheme the left has going.

An apparent radical leftist (still to be determined)

Wow

[goldfly]

I suppose we should apply that same logic to immigration then right?

You thought this was a good point, didn't you?

Totally the same brah. Lol.

[cajunrevenge]

If you run into any right wing people who say we can't have gun control because it's a matter of liberty no matter what happens, ask them their opinion on drug prohibition.

[57Brave]

By DAVID LEONHARDT, IAN PRASAD PHILBRICK and STUART A. THOMPSON
OCT. 4, 2017

Most Americans support stronger gun laws — laws that would reduce deaths. But Republicans in Congress stand in the way. They fear alienating their primary voters and the National Rifle Association.

Below are the top 10 career recipients of N.R.A. funding – through donations or spending to benefit the candidate – among both current House and Senate members, along with their statements about the Las Vegas massacre. These representatives have a lot to say about it. All the while, they refuse to do anything to avoid the next massacre.
Senate
1.

John McCain
Ariz.

“Cindy & I are praying for the victims of the terrible #LasVegasShooting & their families.”

$7,740,521
from the N.R.A.
2.

Richard Burr
N.C.

“My heart is with the people of Las Vegas and their first responders today. This morning’s tragic violence has absolutely no place here in America.”

$6,986,620
from the N.R.A.
3.

Roy Blunt
Mo.

“Saddened by the tragic loss of life in #LasVegas. My thoughts are with all of the families affected by this horrific attack.”

$4,551,146
from the N.R.A.
4.

Thom Tillis
N.C.

“Susan and I send our deepest condolences and prayers to the families of the victims of this horrific and senseless tragedy in Las Vegas.”

$4,418,012
from the N.R.A.
5.

Cory Gardner
Co.

“My family and I are praying for the families of those injured and killed in Las Vegas last night.”

$3,879,064
from the N.R.A.
6.

Marco Rubio
Fla.

“I’m praying for all the victims, their families, and our first responders in the #LasVegas #MandalayBay shooting.”

$3,303,355
from the N.R.A.
7.

Joni Ernst
Iowa

“My prayers are with all of the victims in Las Vegas, and their loved ones affected by this senseless act of violence.”

$3,124,273
from the N.R.A.
8.

Rob Portman
Ohio

“Jane & I mourn the loss of innocent lives in this horrific attack in Las Vegas last night. We are praying for those taken from us, their families & all those injured in this attack.”

$3,061,941
from the N.R.A.
9.

Todd Young
Ind.

“We must offer our full support to the victims and their families as our nation mourns.”

$2,896,732
from the N.R.A.
10.

Bill Cassidy
La.

“Following closely the horrendous act of violence in Las Vegas. Our prayers are with those who were injured, killed and their families.”

$2,861,047
from the N.R.A.
House
1.

French Hill
Ark.

“Martha and I are praying for the families and victims of this senseless act of evil. […] We must continue to work together to stop this kind of terror.”

$1,089,477
from the N.R.A.
2.

Ken Buck
Co.

“I'm praying for all of those impacted by the evil events in Las Vegas last night. Our country must stand together in support of the families of the victims and the community.”

$800,544
from the N.R.A.
3.

David Young
Iowa

“My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families and friends of the horrific and evil tragedy in Las Vegas.”

$707,662
from the N.R.A.
4.

Mike Simpson
Idaho

“Though no words can heal our hurt, and no explanation will ever feel sufficient, I pray that all involved may find comfort as we process this devastating tragedy.”

$385,731
from the N.R.A.
5.

Greg Gianforte
Mont.

No statement released.

$344,630
from the N.R.A.
6.

Don Young
Alaska

“Anne and I are praying for all those involved or impacted by this heinous act of violence.”

$245,720
from the N.R.A.
7.

Lloyd Smucker
Pa.

“Horrific act of violence in Las Vegas. Cindy and I pray for the victims, their families, and the first responders.”

$221,736
from the N.R.A.
8.

Bruce Poliquin
Maine

“My thoughts are with all those effected in the horrifying attacks in Las Vegas. The nation is with you.”

$201,398
from the N.R.A.
9.

Pete Sessions
Tex.

“My deepest sympathies are with all who were harmed by this horrific tragedy.”

$158,111
from the N.R.A.
10.

Barbara Comstock
Va.

“I am heartbroken by the mass murder that took place last night in Las Vegas and I am praying for the victims, families, and first responders.”

$137,232
from the N.R.A.

All of these representatives are Republican. The highest ranked Democrat in the House is Sanford Bishop, who ranks 41st in career donations from the N.R.A. Among the top 100 House recipients, 95 are Republican. In the Senate, the top two Democrats are Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Patrick Leahy of Vermont, who rank 52nd and 53rd — behind every Republican but Dan Sullivan of Alaska.

Note: John McCain received the bulk of his donations as the 2008 Republican presidential nominee. For all Congress members, total includes both direct campaign contributions as well as outside money spent on behalf of candidates from the N.R.A.'s Political Action Committees and directly from the N.R.A.'s 501(c)(4) social welfare arm, which does not have to disclose its donors to the public. Figures also subtract independent expenditures for and against opponents if the candidate did not compete in a general election. Dollar figures are career totals back to 1989.

Source: Center for Responsive Politics
Correction: Oct. 4, 2017

An earlier version of this graphic misidentified the home state of Representative Don Young. He is from Alaska, not Arkansas. It also included incorrect data from the Center for Responsive Politics, which they have since corrected. The total amount from the N.R.A. that benefited Senator Richard Burr was $6.99 million, not $5.90 million

[Jaw]

So 57, I'm curious, do you believe that opinion polls should be the primary factor when choosing whether to enact laws?

[Julio3000]

“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” – George Washington

“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” – Alexander Hamilton.

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson.

“To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason.

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe.” – Noah Webster.

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin.

“A free people ought to be armed.” – George Washington.

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” – Thomas Jefferson.

You've done the fake founding father quote before...several times. You want to check those and get back to us?