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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Republic: Real legitimacy for political decisions comes from the elected representatives and is derived from the will of the people.
    i agree with that to a degree.

    unless the people are wanting something that denies rights etc to others

    and is thus why we elect and trust them to do the right thing instead of being a direct democracy
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Sure... populism doesn't equal right. But it's worth considering that 90% of the people he is supposed to represent doesn't want gay marriage (or whatever the story was)... Is he supposed to give them the finger?
    if he has courage, yeah

    my mom always taught me growing up "doing the right thing is sometimes the toughest and least popular thing to do"
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    i agree with that to a degree.

    unless the people are wanting something that denies rights etc to others

    and is thus why we elect and trust them to do the right thing instead of being a direct democracy
    Except that we don't elect them and 'trust' them to do 'what's right' by any stretch of the imagination: they run on platforms of ideals, promises, and legislation, and then are expected to execute them.

    If they don't they can be recalled, impeached, voted out of office. The only difference between a direct democracy and our Republic is that we aren't the one casting the votes in legislative bodies, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    if he has courage, yeah

    my mom always taught me growing up "doing the right thing is sometimes the toughest and least popular thing to do"
    Can you think of a politician who has done this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Sorry - but getting access to a wedding cake is not a right.
    "Access to the free market is not a right."

    - Self-proclaimed libertarian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphysicist View Post
    "Access to the free market is not a right."

    - Self-proclaimed libertarian
    So the business has no rights in this supposed "free market" of yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    This is a pretty loaded comment.

    Grindr is no more 'shady' than Tinder.
    And Tinder is shady too. Just cause it's heterosexual doesn't mean it's shady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    So the business has no rights in this supposed "free market" of yours?
    "Sorry - but getting access to a wedding cake is not a right."

    "Sorry - but getting access to a lunch counter is not a right."

    "Sorry - but getting access to a bus seat is not a right."

    "Sorry - but getting access to a motel is not a right."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AerchAngel View Post
    Independents are not idiots.
    Independents are liberal republicans or conservative democrats who're the reason Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan have been our last 5 presidents. I wish I was joking, but that's where the "independents" fall. It's much more rare to have independents like myself who don't stick to one party and vote in smaller doses. I've voted for someone in pretty much any political party if their positions most closely align with mine. Republican, Democrat, Green, Libertarian, etc. Though I more commonly vote Green or Libertarian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphysicist View Post
    "Sorry - but getting access to a wedding cake is not a right."

    "Sorry - but getting access to a lunch counter is not a right."

    "Sorry - but getting access to a bus seat is not a right."

    "Sorry - but getting access to a motel is not a right."
    You didn't answer my question

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Independents are liberal republicans or conservative democrats who're the reason Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan have been our last 5 presidents. I wish I was joking, but that's where the "independents" fall. It's much more rare to have independents like myself who don't stick to one party and vote in smaller doses. I've voted for someone in pretty much any political party if their positions most closely align with mine. Republican, Democrat, Green, Libertarian, etc. Though I more commonly vote Green or Libertarian.
    Yeah - he acts as if independents don't vote for these clowns

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    You didn't answer my question
    It's in there if you think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphysicist View Post
    It's in there if you think about it.
    It's not... but based on your beliefs then a business owner can never refuse service to anyone for any reason. Cause then you're denying access of something to someone

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Yeah - he acts as if independents don't vote for these clowns
    Then they might as well carry the card then.

    I rather spit and burn any Republican or Democrat card giving to me.

    People asked which devil you want to support.

    I turn the question around, "why should I support them?"

    Silence.

    Then here it comes, "well you have to select one or the other"

    And then I say why?

    They come back with "because no one else has a chance!"

    They are right but I will be damned if I have to vote for these clowns. I give the protest vote of neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    It's not... but based on your beliefs then a business owner can never refuse service to anyone for any reason. Cause then you're denying access of something to someone
    People fail to realize if someone doesn't want to do business with go someplace that will. Such a simple concept.

    Save the "whites only" diatribe, it wouldn't make me mad, I would just go somewhere else. You really don't need to see a sign when a business doesn't want you or your kind in their establishment.

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    Sturg, let me see if I understand your position here.

    Businesses' right to discriminate is an essential precept of the free market.

    People involved in issue advocacy within the marketplace are bullies and thugs.

    Am I close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Sturg, let me see if I understand your position here.

    Businesses' right to discriminate is an essential precept of the free market.

    People involved in issue advocacy within the marketplace are bullies and thugs.


    Am I close?
    You're basically right. But those bullies and thugs have every right to boycott and protest and threaten to burn down (?)... I would hate to deprive them of that right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    And Tinder is shady too. Just cause it's heterosexual doesn't mean it's shady.
    When will the republicans stop letting the religious right ruin them? It seems to me like they're resulting in way more shady behavior to hide being gay than out politicians. I don't think you'd find Barney Frank on Grindr or trying to have anonymous sex in a truck stop.
    I just find it amusing that you accuse the 'religious' of 'ruining' people, and then drop your own little morsel of bigotry right on top.
    Last edited by Hawk; 04-30-2015 at 04:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I just find it amusing that you accuse the 'religious' of 'ruining' people, and then drop your own little morsel of bigotry right on top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I just find it amusing that you accuse the 'religious' of 'ruining' people, and then drop your own little morsel of bigotry right on top.
    Um I don't know what to make of this.

    Let me spell this out. Tinder is shady, the religious right is ruining the republicans by alienating the majority of Americans. Easier to digest?
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