So I guess Heyward passed the laziness bug over to BJ. Luckily, there are no other underperforming African-Americans on the roster, so it can't spread anywhere else.
So I guess Heyward passed the laziness bug over to BJ. Luckily, there are no other underperforming African-Americans on the roster, so it can't spread anywhere else.
Among other things. The guy feasted on the Braves a time or 8 as well.Originally Posted by CyYoung31
mossy (03-13-2014)
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Just think, before inflation... Roger Clemens got 20 million to pitch 4 months.
Forever Fredi
Sorry if this has been covered, but I've been away almost all day, and don't want to read all 14 pages.
Do most of you approve of this deal? I know little of Santana, other than that his name was floating around. Where will he pitch in our currently depleted rotation? Is he ace material? Is he as good as Teheran?
Would you guys rather have him, Burnett, or Hudson if we'd had that choice?
I'm personally glad we went out and got SOMEBODY. I feel like spring means something again.
I'm sure gonna miss Kris Medlen. I'm sick about what has happened to him.
Santana could negate the loss of Medlen. I don't expect anything more than a middle of the rotation pitcher (there's obvious value in that.) Let's just hope Minor, Teheran and to a lesser degree Wood step up.
The Braves just spent a ****load of money for Santana, especially if you count the loss of the pick. It's good to know the Braves are willing to spend money now.
Listen to Medlen speak about the injury. It's heart-breaking.
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mossy (03-13-2014)
Santana pitched just about as well or better than anyone in our rotation last yr. If he can keep the ball in the park, he should be good for a mid 3 ERA and 200 innings.
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mossy (03-13-2014)
I think we're very lucky Liberty opened up the strings of the purse, AND that a guy of Santana's caliber was still a FA and open to coming here.
He could pitch as well as anyone on the roster.
mossy (03-13-2014)
Santana is a solid pitcher. Worth $14.1 million? In the current market, probably yes. I like the signing.
Performance has been up and down in his career, but he's been a reliable innings-eater to this point and that's what he'll probably be for us in 2014.
mossy (03-13-2014)
From frangraphs, kind of implies how going to Turner helps a guy like Santana.
At Turner Field, ZiPS projects Santana for a 3.59 ERA, which is certainly serviceable as a mid-rotation guy. While this is a site more dedicated to the stats side of things, Santana has a whole heck of a lot riding on his gamble to take one year this year. He will without a doubt be banking on performing up to his full potential to guarantee he gets a long term offer he is looking for. Whether that actually has an impact on his performance is impossible to know, but I like the fact that he has more than a few motivations for success.
Santana fits the mold of a lot of the Braves pitchers. First off, he has a low walk rate, which is what the Braves focus heavily on in the rotation. Mike Minor, Kris Medlen, and Julio Teheran were all dynamos in this aspect last season, and Santana should continue to pound the zone just as the rest of the staff does. The low walk rate obviously helps his WHIP, an integral fantasy category. Netting a solid 1.14 mark last season, his first year with the sinker, is definitely a good sign. We can expect his BABIP to rise, but again as the Braves should also have a solid defense behind him, it shouldn’t rise at the same level were he to go to a defensively challenged squad. Again, this is a great landing place for Santana due to man factors. Home runs have always been an issue with Santana and they likely will be again this year, but moving to the NL should help him keep that number below 25. If he can continue to pound the zone, the home run issue shouldn’t be too big of a detriment as long as they are more often of the solo variety.
All in all, if you were interested in Santana a week ago, you should be even more interested in him now. His projected ZiPS ERA dropping from 4.26 to 3.59 exemplifies that better than my words ever could.
Claiming Santana is as good as Minor is silly, but he should be a solid middle of the rotation option.
Yeah it's quite sad that an ace will get 20-30 mill. while a solid pitcher gets about 15 mill.
You can call BJ a lot of things but lazy isn't one of them. There's absolutely no basis whatsoever for that claim. Same for Uggla.
jpx7 (03-13-2014)
Since this was mentioned multiple times as a hypothetical downside to the Santana signing, I thought this merited note:
O'Brien: Team still have any payroll flexibility to add piece if needed during season?
Wren: "When we’re in the hunt, we’ve always found a way."
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"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
I just think people don't like Ervin because when they saw Braves sign Santana it wasn't Johan.
Spoiler:
Forever Fredi
Medlen is always a great interview. Sadly, he is no less so here. Makes me root for him that much more.
Your right, he hustles all the time.
Oh wait!!!
NinersSBChamps (03-13-2014)
Well, technically:
Santana was born Johan Ramon Santana, and used that name throughout his life until 2003. At that time, he decided to change his name to avoid having the same name as pitching star Johan Santana. According to Ervin Santana, "I just came up with Ervin... Ervin Santana, that sounds good."
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
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my mind has been blown
The Chosen One (03-13-2014)
Im sure his parents always told little Johan that one day he would make a name for himself.
So he took the initiative to invent a name for himself, and "Ervin" was what he decided on?
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